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Lessons in British values considered

15.05.06, 23:11
sounds like a bit of Giertych in the UK wink
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LONDON (Reuters) - Britain is considering introducing compulsory lessons
on "core British values" for children in response to last July's suicide bomb
attacks on London, the government said on Monday.

Education minister Bill Rammell said a six-month review would examine whether
all 11 to 16-year-olds should be taught about issues such as freedom of
speech, civic responsibility, and democracy and how historically they
developed in Britain.

"If we are to get a proper modern sense of British identity, which I think is
the best way to tackle extremism, then I think that's very important,"
Rammell told BBC radio.

"When we look at what happened with the bombings last July, when people were
prepared to kill themselves in order to kill others, I think education can
play a role in helping to get a better sense of what are the core values ...
that cut across the cultures in Britain."

The proposal comes in response to the attacks on London on July 7 when four
Britons blew up themselves and 52 commuters on the capital's transport system.

Last week the government produced a definitive narrative about the bombings
but some critics said it failed to adequately address what had driven the men
to carry out the attacks as they had shown little outward sign of militant
behaviour.

Mohammad Sidique Khan, who was believed to be the group's leader, was a well-
respected teacher who worked with children with special needs while another,
Shehzad Tanweer, played cricket with friends the night before the bombings.

Rammell said he had met Muslim students and academics since the July attacks
to listen to their views and grievances, and there was a consensus for a
debate on the issue.

"What are those things that are essential to all cultures within British
society?" he said.

"I think we need a better debate about that nationally and I do think we need
to be discussing it through the curriculum with children."

The government has previously said understanding British customs and history
was vital for immigrants who wanted to become British citizens.

Last October it brought in compulsory tests on British life which immigrants
had to pass before they could apply to become British.

Meanwhile a further government review will also study the quality of teaching
about Islam in universities to examine whether narrow, religiously orientated
studies might fuel extremism, the BBC reported.

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    • ejmarkow Re: Lessons in British values considered 15.05.06, 23:40
      nasza_maggie napisała:

      > sounds like a bit of Giertych in the UK wink

      There just might be a slight hint of truth in it all. Tongue and cheek!
    • ianek70 Lessons bad, discussions good 16.05.06, 13:12
      More or less everyone in the UK believes the London bombings were wrong, sick,
      evil or stupid (depending on their own beliefs, which are nothing to do with
      the government), including 99% of British Muslims (in a survey quoted by that
      arch-islamophile Davey).
      It's debatable whether the bombers acted from frustration, brainwashing or
      sadism, and if so, what caused their frustration or why they were vulnerable to
      brainwashing, or what childhood trauma made them sadistic. And if something's
      debatable, common sense demands you debate it.
      The function of the state is administration, the function of schools is
      education. You can learn a lot about what are or aren't the values of most
      British citizens by open and honest debate, but by "lessons" in "our values"
      all you can learn is the government's opinions.

      "Compulsory tests on British life" for immigrants is a good idea in principle,
      but what does it mean in practice?
      Will it make immigrants think "70% of Brits vote, it is my duty to be one of
      them, and not one of the 30% who don't"?
      Analysing aspects of British life (rather than just memorising facts) would be
      more constructive, both for potential new citizens and for little school-Brits.
      Discussing questions such as "Why do a majority of UK citizens want more money
      spent on the NHS?", "Why is anti-immigrant feeling increasing?" or even "Young
      people today, eh?" would teach people a lot about Britain, about the views of
      others, or at worst just make them think about the society they live in.
      The government saying "These are your core values, please write them on a piece
      of paper and remember them until June" will achieve nothing.
      Although it may provide jobs for a few committees...
      • varsovian Re: Lessons bad, discussions good 17.05.06, 14:08
        The leader of the July 7 bombers was a pretty respectable chap. Friends with
        the son of a Labour MP, he managed to get a job as a "mentor" in a Leeds school
        despite having few if any qualifications. He got feted by the Times
        Educational Supplement (Głod nauczyciel). In short, people bent over backwards
        for him.
        He married the daughter of a very respectable woman, who'd received an award
        from the Queen for services to the (muslim) community. The family sent
        Christmas cards to their local family doctor (my dad).
        A crib card of British values would have changed nothing in his case.
        • ianek70 Re: Lessons bad, discussions good 17.05.06, 14:30
          varsovian napisał:

          > The leader of the July 7 bombers was a pretty respectable chap. Friends with
          > the son of a Labour MP, he managed to get a job as a "mentor" in a Leeds
          school
          >
          > despite having few if any qualifications. He got feted by the Times
          > Educational Supplement (Głod nauczyciel). In short, people bent over
          backwards
          >
          > for him.
          > He married the daughter of a very respectable woman, who'd received an award
          > from the Queen for services to the (muslim) community. The family sent
          > Christmas cards to their local family doctor (my dad).
          > A crib card of British values would have changed nothing in his case.

          Quite right.
          But if there was any kind of real debate in public life (not just abstraction
          in broadsheet newspapers and on late-night BBC2), then the simple
          question "You've got more than most Brits of whatever background, so why do you
          feel alienated or bitter or frustrated or whatever?" would have taught everyone
          a valuable lesson. In the worst case he wouldn't have been able to answer the
          question and it would be clear to all sides (including the most radical
          islamists) that he was just insane in the membrane, a useful idiot.

          In the same way, if the most paranoid and brainwashed Muslims asked "Why do you
          hate Islam?", they would generally hear the answer "Most people don't, but
          many/most people dislike certain customs, because...", and if asked "Why do you
          believe the West hates Islam?", they would say that they'd heard it from
          radical nutters or the cynical dictators they'd fled from in the first place.
          Or maybe not. Knowledge and information are the key.

          Most of the people recruited by these organisations are sad, inadequate people
          who've been in prison, had problems with drugs or been abused in some way. They
          get exploited by cynical bastards - how many suicide missions has bin Laden
          been on?
          • varsovian Re: Lessons bad, discussions good 17.05.06, 14:46
            I digress unashamedly, but you must be a bit of a failure to have gone on more
            than one suicide bombing mission ...
          • russh Re: Lessons bad, discussions good 18.05.06, 07:23
            Super post.

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