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Borlog nacisnął coś za szybko tera dopiero borlog przedtawiać:

film Ogniem i Mieczem widziany przez zagraniczna ludzizna!

niestety to być po angliczańska mowa dlatego kto nie rozumieć niech borloga
pyta...
Andrew:
I watched this movie after a friend told me that this was the most expensive
movie in the Polish history. Probably that is true, but the movie does not look
like a piece of art.

Although the movie does not specifically targets Polish viewers, others would
hardly watch it - I bet few people would spend three hours trying to tie up
numerous lines altogether. The movie has two key lines - a war between Polish
nobles and Ukrainian Cossacks and a love story between one of the Polish
officers and girl, that he met.

The movie does not look like an action nor as an entertainment. But for the
historical movie, it came out to be very straightforward - the characters are
either too good or deadly evil and completely dump. There was too much blood on
the screen. Even some of the details are really excessive. There was one guy
out there who pledged to remain virgin until he axes three heads at once by his
sward. What a hilarious pal! Eventually he somehow managed to do that, but .is
that a historical movie or a show from the Worldwide Wrestling Federation all-
star cast? niezłe być to !!!!!!

Of course I should say that most of the actors were really good. But you can
not save a bad plot with even the best actors in the world.

Mladen Radic:
There is a scene at the beginning of this motion picture when one of the
leading characters says that he had made a vow. A vow that he would remain
virgin until he cuts three heads with one move of the sword. When you hear
that, you know what you can expect. Is good to see a European movie which is
directed perfectly, a spectacle with many action scenes, excellent actors and
three hours in it's running time, is good to. But hey, people, where is the
plot, where are the characters?! Oh, gee, I knew we forgot something!

So, what's wrong? First, the plot. Story of battles between Cossacs and Polish
in 15th century and a love story put there in the middle. All right, we know
that all sides hate their enemies, but it's nothing new. My country was in war
till five years ago, I know that war is awful, but `With fire and sword' is not
an anti-war movie. Oh, no, and this is its second and biggest problem. Our
`heroes' are introduced at the beginning of the movie, they are all nice &
courageous and they fight against Cossacs and Turkish. And what do they do?
They kill everyone, they torture, they act exactly like their enemies. So why
should I trust them? They don't feel even a bit of pity, a bit of remorse, they
don't have a single doubt about that if they should fight and kill. They go,
they fight, they kill - and there are rivers of blood running on the screen.
Cossacs and Turkish are shown like beasts, most of them are gays and there is
even a sort of witch-lesbian(!) Our `heroes' are perfectly straight, they have
even a beautiful Izabella Scorupco on their side, and they cut heads with
sadistic pleasure (uhhaha ciekawe co na to powiedzieć pan longin- borlog!). And
they don't consider another option. Not even for a moment.

Is that the message of the movie?

borlogowe żródło: IMDb user comments for
Ogniem i mieczem

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Ciekawe.
Z częścią się zgadzam, z częścią nie - tak zwykle bywa.
Film ma dobre momenty, dobre lub nawet bardzo dobre sceny, niestety całość kupy się istotnie nie trzyma. Żal.
Rozumiem, że Sienkiewicza trzeba było trochę zmienić i skrócić, ale czemu na gorsze? Czemu powstał komiks? Sprawę spieprzyli moim zdaniem w znacznym stopni podczas montażu. Rozumiem, że powinno być szybko i z werwą, ale 1,5 sekundowe ujęcia to dobrze robią tylko amerykanie - that's the truth.
Pocieszać się należy, że być może recenzentom film Potop podobałby się jeszcze mniej, a jest przecież znacznie lepszy jako film. Choć może nie mam racji, w końcu był nominowany do Oskara. Tak czy owak brak im zdecydowanie literackie wykształcenia, trza było sięgnąć do oryginału, to by wiedzieli, o co chodzi i czy rzeczywiście Longinus to taki sadystyczny zabijaka i dump.

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borlog uważać że film potrzebować większa budżet aby być dobry- dałoby to nie
200 statysta ale 2000 i większa liczba ludziaków jak w potopie, lepsza efekta
specjalna, borlog być troll i gotów usiedzić z 4 godzina w wielka obraz ruchoma
zwana przez ludziaki kino ale te same ludziaki cierpieć niezmierna na filmach
powyżej 2h! 4h ogniem byłoby dobre na rozłożenie fabuły tak by nawet trolle zza
granica zrozumieć o co chodzić w ta filma! ale borlog wiedzieć że ludzizna być
słabiuteńka i nie lubieć za długo przesiadywać! borlog sądzić że nikt ludziaków
batogiem nie ćwiczyć i stąd to!
borlog następna recka puścić: Potop

Letrias
Note: "Potop" means "Deluge", and is labeled such on some international covers
of the film, though not all.

This is one of the greatest post-medieval war films, yet unfortunately is
largely ignored by audiences today. Perhaps it is because this is Polish
production based on a historical Polish novel. However, although the story is
based vaguely on Polish history, nearly all of the characters, except for the
Polish king & some members of Polish aristocracy, are fictional. That is not to
say the events or characters are untrue to life - just the opposite: they are
wonderful representations of people thrust into universal situations of
desperation. It is easy for anyone to identify with many of the characters
depicted in the film. Director Hoffman has created people, not just characters,
they seem so real that one feels almost able to reach into the screen and touch
them. Another interesting factor is that they are people from all walks of
life. Unlike Kurosawa's "Ran" (another fascinating film about post-medieval
warfare), the people represented on screen are not just the leaders responsible
for the actual war. Everyone from peasant folk to the highest ranking military
personnel is covered - and they are all deep characters, with emotions and
feelings, not just hordes of faceless crowds running to battle to be
slaughtered. This creates a full tapestry of characters unlike anything seen in
any film of this kind.

The cinematography is another factor worthy of mention, especially regarding
its intended relation to the depicted events. The locations reach from
breathtaking and beautiful images of Polish forests to the cold and hopeless
feeling of winter. It's interesting to note that the mood of the cinematography
quite often directly reflects the mind-set of the characters, especially the
character Andrzej Kmicic (played by Daniel Olbrychski). Kmicic, without a doubt
the most interesting personality in the film, is often a very irrational man.
He lapses, quite suddenly, from emotions of extreme hatred and rage, to
feelings of unquestionable love, and the cinematography perfectly reflects this
instability. This becomes especially evident in the latter portion of the film,
as the Swedish army encroaches Poland, and the situation becomes desperate for
all the characters involved. The landscape at this point becomes desolate and
cold, as if the invading Swedes brought with them not only weapons of death,
but also the excruciating winter of the Scandinavian north. Even the music
reflects this atmosphere of desolation, as is best evidenced in a scene of the
Swedish army marching into Poland. The music at this point becomes powerful to
the extreme, yet it is a simple tune played by many instruments, creating an
atmosphere that conveys feelings of the freezing winter by aural means alone.

"Potop" is flawlessly directed by Jerzy Hoffman, one could say that this was
his greatest achievement. His previous film "Pan Wolodyjowski", based on the
third part of the same trilogy of books, was also wonderful, but it failed to
convey the chaotic and senseless nature of war as well. With "Potop" Hoffman
has created a masterpiece. It is dark, cruel, and ruthless, as war always is.
The editing, supervised by Hoffman, is flawless. In 1999 Hoffman brought the
first part of the Sienkewicz trilogy to screen in the form of "Ogniem i
Mieczem" ("With Fire And Sword"), but left the editing to a young editor who
tried to impress young audiences with pointless fast edits, which made that
film nearly unbearable to watch. With "Potop" we can see a master at his best -
there are a few fast edits where such editing is appropriate, and many long
perfectly choreographed shots that reflect both the beauty of the landscape,
and the desperation of the characters involved.

The acting is another factor that makes this such a wonderful film. There are
so many interesting characters and excellent performances to match, that it
would be impossible to cover them all. However, two actors that truly stand out
here are the late Tadeusz Lomnicki in the role of Michal Wolodyjowski, the same
role he portrayed in "Pan Wolodyjowski", and of course Daniel Olbrychski as the
erratic Andrzej Kmicic. The only oddity here is that Daniel Olbrychski actually
appears in all three parts of the trilogy as three very different characters.
In "Pan Wolodyjowski" he plays the evil Azja Tuhaj-bejowicz, and in "Ogniem i
Mieczem" he is Azja's father Tuhaj-Bej. This makes some sense in terms of the
first and third part of the trilogy, since we'd expect the son to look a little
like his father, but in "Potop" he plays a Polish noble. This can be a little
distracting when you see all parts of the trilogy, yet it is impossible to deny
that Daniel Olbrychski is one of the best actors of the last three decades, so
it's no surprise that Hoffman wanted Olbrychski to appear in all three parts of
the trilogy.

Overall, this is one of the greatest war films of all time. Because of its
ability to create real humans out of characters, it is also a fine film
compared to any genre. Unless you are deathly afraid of subtitles, you will
surely agree. War is hell, and this film represents that perfectly! Highly
recommended.

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Pięknie Borlogu. Wielkie dzięki :)
Nic tu dodać, nic ująć - dokładnie tak samo myślę. Dobrze, że film zrecenzował ktoś, kot się na tym zna i chciało mu się pomyśleć. Krótkie z kolei zarzuty do Ogniem i mieczem pokrywają się z moimi.
Nabrałem ochoty poraz któryś ponownie Potop obejrzeć, może tym razem dvd wypożyczę (mam "tylko" nagrany na kasecie vhs).

Zaciekawił mnie termin "post-medieval warfare". Dość ogólne podejście, ale widocznie takiego używają.

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Nie wiem skąd czerpiesz te teksty. Ale czy są tam recenzje Faraona i Pamiętnika (alias rękopisu) znalezionego w Saragossie . Znakomite filmy i można się spodziewać, że ich recenzje podniosłyby mnie na duchu :)

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borlog szukać i znaleść:
Rękopis

Levana Taylor
Chicago


Date: 4 February 1999
Summary: Complex and dazzling

"The Saragossa Manuscript" is a brilliant work, by turns (or simultaneously)
mysteriously spooky and wildly funny. Its unusually long running time does not
get tiring because it is so full of variety and unfailing inventiveness. The
stories of a crowd of distinctive characters intermesh into a unity that is not
obvious at first, but slowly grows clearer

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Bardzo dziękuję Ci, Borlogu.
Ja właśnie kiedyś spotkałem ludziaków z Teksasu i rozmowa zeszła na filmy. Z polskich potrafili wymienić tylko "Nóż w wodzie". Spytali, jakie bym im polecił, podałem "Rękopis" i "Faraona" właśnie, z zastrzeżeniem, że nie wiem, czy znajdą angielską wersję. Teraz w dobie dvd jest to możliwe, jak widać :) Ciekawe, czy zapamiętali tytuły i reżyserów i czy znaleźli.

Prosili mnie o wymienienie 1 amerykańskiego, który uważam za najlepszy. Oj, jest w czym wybierać, bo więcej niż jeden widziałem ;)
Podałem "12 gniewnych ludzi".
Potem dorzuciłem jeszcze parę ulubionych: Casablanca, Pół żartem, pół serio (Some Like it Hot), Forrest Gump, Blade Runner i z ostatnio obejrzanych Piąty element (lubię się pośmiać). Tych dwóch ostatnich zresztą nie kojarzyli ~:-o

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dorzucę z adresu podanego przez Ciebie jeszcze poniższy opis Faraona, warto

Irakli Chagunava ([e-mail])
Tbilisi, Republic of Georgia

Date: 5 October 1999
Summary: A wonderful example of costume drama made with taste and intelligence.
A wonderful example of costume drama made with taste. Hollywood has made numerous films on similar subject but they all lack the serious attitude to the subject, natural for European cinema. "Faraon" is not a pompous historical cake like Cleopatra or Ben-Hur. Maybe it does not possess the impressing effects of these films but it has something more important - intelligence.

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niezrozumiały jest natomiast dla mnie zachwyt nad tą skończoną szmirą Quo vadi (mam na myśli film, nie książkę), jaja po prostu. Może akurat w Rumunii się podobał?

eyonde ([e-mail])
Cluj Napoca, Romania

Date: 15 May 2003
Summary: A true work of art!
Never in my life have I seen something like this! Such a perfect harmony of image, sound and emotion! Now this is a movie that makes you forget all about yourself and captures you in such a way that you find yourself truly living it.

The actors may look unusual in the beginning, I'm sure the criteria for choosing them have been very much different from the much familiar American criteria. Yet soon they end up convincing you that they are the very characters that they are interpreting. All of them have such a natural way, they get into their roles so well you get the feeling the movie is really a filmed sequence from the distant past. Scene after scene, I had the feeling I was living something precious and unique.

This movie shows you devotion, love and selflessness. It shows you infamy, ignorance and evil. In other words, it introduces you to God and makes you long for Him.

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forum.gazeta.pl/forum/73,46481,1540823.html?f=16752&w=15680909&a=15697862&rep=1
jeden rozsądny się jedna znalazł :)

airen
Seattle, USA

Date: 6 May 2002
Summary: Feels like a hybrid between a Catholic mass and "I, Claudius" TV show
Having read several rather unfavorable reviews of the movie, I went to see it with quite low expectations. I was not disappointed: the movie was not a total loss, but left me with a sense of horrible loss of $18 million (the movie's overinflated budget). The movie's very long and it drags on mercilessly. The editing is the worst I have seen in a long time: the wonderful sets were completely underexposed by the shabby cinematography (or the film edit). Cinematography is very "narrow": it constantly focuses on the close-up action and the actors themselves, and with a complete lack of scenic shots and good panning, leaves the viewer with a sense of watching "I, Claudius" on a big screen. In fact, "Quo Vadis" would watch much better as a TV mini-series than as a big screen feature. The sound effects are underwhelming, the music uninspiring. And most visibly, the visual effects are sub-par, even for Polish cinema. The rubber doll of Glaucus on a burning cross was laughable and the lion scene was quite frankly unmoving. Same clip of a woman being tackled by a lion being repeated at least twice and the the lions sometimes looked like they were toying with the Christians. Where exactly did the $18 million go Mr. Kawalerowicz? There is a debate currently in Poland about "old masters" and their recent superproductions. While I believe that anyone has a right to film anything, I do think it's time to stop subsidizing "lifelong dreams" of the "old masters" and devote the money to younger directors with less egos and more original ideas.

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poza tym jednym przejawem rozsądku, same zachwyty, zadziwiające

[borlog]

borlog myśleć że to z powodu tego że pośród amerykańska ludziaków być tera dużo
newborn christian , którzy lubieć też imperialna rzym ( amerykanie być tera
nowy rzym!)
Stąd ta fascynacja~ zrobić tera coś o starożytności i wszystkie lecą bo myślą
że to być jaki nowy gledjator.
A co do blade runner borlog jednego tylko nie rozumieć- skoro dużo być na
ziemia ludzizna chińszczyzna to czemu ich nie wysyłać w kosmos tylko budować
androidy? borlog nigdy ludziaków nie rozumieć.

[oldpiernik]

wykloczony z dyskusji poczułem się, mimo, że temat intrygujący
swoje trzygrosze dodam, gdy kursa językowe ukończyc zdołam

OLDMONOGLOTA

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borlog przedstawic najciekawsza sprawy po obejżenie ogniem i meczem ludziaki
tak pisać
jedna ludziak z ameryka myśleć że pan longin być wrestler i oburzać się że za
dużo wrestlerów być w filmach
A pewna inna ludziak twierdzić że w ogniem i mieczem być brutalna film pan
longin mieć sadystyczna rozkosz zabijając 3 tatarzyny! pisać on też że co
różnić polskie ludziaki od kozackie skoro wszyscy bić palić mordować? a inna
sprawa że tatary co oni z turki pomylić być na filmie jakowe gieje, liesbijki
wiedżmy co oni się dziwić że to takie stara chwyty na obrzydzenie złe
charaktery co dawno być już nie stosowana w zwykła hollyłodzka kino.
Inna ludziak dobrze opisać film potop. on się bardzo znać że we wszystkie filmy
trylogi. Reszta to kuż być inna filmy polskawe co byc na zachód oceniane!
borlog tam kiedy głosować na filma by dobra nota dostać i stąd polska film
wiedżmin miec wysoka nota ;P