SICK BRITAIN

IP: *.legnica.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl 25.02.04, 00:01
International Health Service

NHS tours ... one of the buses that leave Poland daily
for London. Soon they’ll carry health tourists

By GEORGE PASCOE-WATSON
Deputy Political Editor

BRITAIN’S Health Service faces being overwhelmed by hordes of patients of
different nationalities when Eastern Bloc countries join the EU, experts
warned last night.

Many of the eight Eastern European states are in the grip of an HIV and
tuberculosis crisis and sufferers will swarm to the UK in the hope of getting
free treatment, it was forecast.

Health experts insisted that Home Secretary David Blunkett’s new legislation
designed to stop benefit scroungers will NOT prevent so-called health
tourists — many of them without a penny to their names.

Figures show around 1.5million people are infected with HIV in Eastern Europe
and Central Asia — compared to just 30,000 only six years ago.



Waiting ... these Roma gipsies living in Mielec, south east Poland, have one
dream — to get to the UK
The TB rate in EU newcomers Poland and Hungary is three times that of
Britain’s — and in Baltic states Latvia and Lithuania it is EIGHT times as
high.

Dr Peter Piot, head of the United Nations HIV/Aids agency UNAIDS, warned
governments to act before the new members join on May 1, saying: “There is no
time to waste.

“European ministers must urgently roll out effective HIV prevention and
treatment programmes.”

David Green, from the respected think-tank CIVITAS, warned of an explosion in
health tourism.

He said: “Hospitals take the view if you are ill you are ill — not many
questions are asked when a patient arrives. We already have a problem of
health tourism in this country.

“If you have an increase in the flow of people then there is every reason to
expect you can have yet more people turning up to hospitals.



Next time lucky ... east European stowaways found on a lorry. Soon they'll be
allowed into UK legally
“We have a system where people pay into the system through taxes and receive
a service as a result.

“The changes will mean people who have not paid into the system can get
access to an already overstretched service.”

Shadow Home Secretary David Davis added: “Our public services are seriously
overstretched — and there is no sign that the Government has made an
assessment of the impact of unmanaged migration.”

A string of leading experts yesterday warned of the dangers of leaving
Britain exposed to the HIV crisis in eastern Europe.

Latvia, Lithuania, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia
and Estonia will become EU members with Cyprus and Malta.

All their combined 73 million citizens will then be free to travel to the UK
and use the NHS.

Lars Kallings, who is the UN Secretary General Special Envoy for HIV/Aids in
Eastern Europe, said: “The enlarged EU could rapidly be faced with a more
vigorous phase of the epidemic unless political leaders transform their
verbal commitments into concrete action on the ground.”




Yesterday Mr Blunkett acted to stop immigrants flooding into Britain as
welfare spongers.

Incomers will be barred from claiming state handouts for two years and
immigrants will be required to register within a month of finding work.

Lawyers have already slammed the plans — which do not apply to Maltese and
Cypriot people — as unworkable and discriminatory.

But France, Germany and Italy have banned immigrants from working for at
least two years.

Welcome mat
is worn


DAVID Blunkett can try to stop “benefit tourists” coming to look for work —
and welfare payments if they fail.

But, predictably, lawyers were last night queueing up to drive a coach and
horses through his flimsy legislation — with the prospect of rich pickings in
legal aid.

The problem for the Home Secretary is simple. If he cannot stop illegal
immigrants, how is he to block those who will become our fellow EU citizens
on May 1?

How long will it take the European Court of Human Rights to rule the whole
new legal apparatus out of order?

And how do his new rules deal with thousands of TB and AIDS victims who will
understandably head West for free medical treatment?

In normal times, we might feel honour bound to give equal rights to our ten
new fellow EU states.

We would be glad to see skilled Poles and Czechs give British cowboys a run
for their money.

But these are not normal times. Britain’s traditional hospitality has been
badly abused.

Sympathy has been destroyed by the Government’s refusal to address the crisis
when it first became apparent.

Compassion has been soured by kneejerk charges of racism. And trust has
evaporated as ministers mislead us with massaged statistics.

Had we confronted this problem of enlargement before the Berlin Wall fell, we
could have handled it in a methodical and humane way.

That opportunity has been lost and overtaken by the sheer scale of movement
to the West by economic opportunists.

The humanitarian banner of the genuine asylum seeker has been stained by
criminal gangs who have traded on our pity to make more money out of slavery
than out of the drug trade.

Ministers have allowed Britain to become the favoured destination year after
year after year — by refusing to limit the generosity of our welfare
payments.

And where once a generousspirited nation was prepared to open its doors to a
tide of human misery — as it did with the Jews, Ugandan Asians and genuine
refugees from all over the world — they now feel they are being taken for a
ride.

The losers are countless genuine asylum seekers and would-be immigrants from
the Commonwealth family of nations.

At home, voters who see the face of Britain changing before their eyes will
take some persuading to swallow Mr Blunkett’s latest reassuring words.

The welcome mat has worn out — and New Labour must accept some of the blame
for that.




    • Gość: erwas Re: SICK BRITAIN IP: *.sulphurcanyon.com 25.02.04, 04:17
      poor little scaredie brittie (and ghrandly titled EU citizen) brimming over
      with paranoid bullshit.
      the CIA World Factbook gives the AIDS infection rate for Poland at 0.07. one of
      Europe's success stories in AIDS prevention. the UK rate (both figures for
      1999) stood at 0.11. death from AIDS: Poland at 100, UK at 410.
      that should slow down some of those health tourists.

      as for you EU cit. there are about 15,000+ Roma left in Poland. your fellow
      Nazis took care of them during WWII. the rest migrated to Germany long ago.
      there are far more more Roma in the UK (viciously stereotyped and abused by
      both the central government, local authorities and the population at large).
      there are millions of them in Hungary, the Czech and Slovak Republics and
      various other nooks and crannies of Europe.

      BTW: the term "health tourist" was first coined by UK citizens travelling to
      France and other European countries with functional Health Services to get away
      from the endless waiting and total disaster which is the NHS.



      • Gość: steph Re: SICK BRITAIN IP: *.in-addr.btopenworld.com 25.02.04, 13:27
        Whatever the origin of 'health tourist',it doesn't alter the fact that there
        are many more illegal scroungers abusing the NHS system than Brits seeking
        medical care abroad. As a British taxpayer I definitely do not welcome visitors
        seeking something for nothing at my expense. Wonder how many British citizens
        will be travelling to Poland in search of better life, just for the balance?
        Sadly, the current UK government, which I explicitly did not vote for, seems to
        have lost its direction in more ways than one. Hopefully, the next general
        election will bring a gleam of hope. Fingers crossed.
        • Gość: sick of Brits Re: SICK BRITAIN IP: *.icpnet.pl 25.02.04, 18:20
          >[...]Wonder how many British citizens will be travelling to Poland in search of
          better life [...]

          Well, SCARED BRIT, for starters, is one of them.
          • chickenshorts Re: SICK BRITAIN 25.02.04, 21:26
            steph: "As a British taxpayer I definitely do not welcome visitors
            seeking something for nothing at my expense."

            Did you welcome them before you became a B. taxpayer, when you were
            a 'scrounger' yourself?

            Much as one may dislike certain policies of the present Labour government,
            being emphatically negative about it smacks of silly ass posturing.
            • erwas Re: SICKO BRITTS 26.02.04, 03:11
              hey, chicken! we must have really scared the Brits. they fell strangely silent
              and are cowering in their Legnicas of the spirit.
              • chickenshorts P. pedigree Brits 26.02.04, 19:55


                erwas napisał:
                > ... we must have really scared the Brits. they fell strangely silent
                > and are cowering in their Legnicas of the spirit.

                yes, my friend, well put! Legnicas of the spirit and Little Britains of the
                mind is what they offer. Unlike us, Jasna Goras of both!!! Hah!
                • Gość: steph Re: P. pedigree Brits IP: *.in-addr.btopenworld.com 26.02.04, 23:29
                  Got it in one, Jasna Gora ought to be a perfect destination for all those
                  coaches that Scared Brit started the current debate with.
                  • erwas Re: P. pedigree Brits 27.02.04, 01:27
                    it's you BNP chaps who need to crawl on your bleeding stumps to Jasna Gora all
                    the way from Luton and Bradford and wherever else your UK Legnicas are located
                    and beg forgiveness for your meanness of spirit and lack of spiritual
                    development from Jesus and His Mum.
                    • chickenshorts Re: P. pedigree Brits 27.02.04, 10:32
                      I knew she wouldn't resist that bait! Nat or Steph, it's the same... N B B.
                    • Gość: steph Re: P. pedigree Brits IP: *.in-addr.btopenworld.com 27.02.04, 10:35
                      Sounds to me, that you have that holy pilgrimage well behind you, though you
                      clearly haven't devoted much prayer time for enhancement of your debating
                      powers. Bless you. BNP stands for extreems. I merely express views shared by
                      ordinary British public. There is a sea of difference here.
                      • chickenshorts Re: P. pedigree Brits 27.02.04, 12:44
                        Gość portalu: steph napisał(a):

                        > Sounds to me, that you have that holy pilgrimage well behind you, though you
                        > clearly haven't devoted much prayer time for enhancement of your debating
                        > powers.

                        ...somehow confident they would go amiss, but... I'll pick your gauntlet, ma'am.
                        OK, batten down the hatches!

                        >Bless you. BNP stands for extreems.<

                        ...and NBB for natural(born blond) stupidity!


                        >I merely express views shared by
                        > ordinary British public. There is a sea of difference here.<

                        Well, you came with "British tax payer" & "illegal scroungers" argument after
                        erwas had nicely pulverized Scared Brit's list of paranoid bollocks...
                        I asked you about your attitude towards those scroungers before you became
                        Britich Subject to Taxation to which you didn't reply... You couldn't remember,
                        I take it.

                        As to your 'merely expressing an opinion', let it be known that those migrants
                        take less than they leave in British coffers & that is the reason the
                        government welcomes them; they actually add to your future pension...So your
                        assertion that they take for nothing is balls. Your opinion is a classic
                        expression of 'nimby-ism' mentality so typical of P. pedigree Brits. As Kurt
                        Vonnegut noticed, "we are the sum of what we pretend to be. It is vital to be
                        careful in deciding who you pretend to be."
                        yours faithfully



                        • Gość: steph Re: P. pedigree Brits IP: *.in-addr.btopenworld.com 27.02.04, 15:10
                          Dear chickenshorts, have a feeling we are not talking about the same type of
                          migrants. The daily consignment of freshly arrived mobs monopolising the
                          pavements of certain West London streets are not likely to contribute to my
                          pension nor to anyone else's, for that matter. Vast majority are unskilled,
                          uneducated workers, unsurprisingly unable to make a living in Poland, but
                          mysteriously invaluable to British economy??? Their scruffy appearance and foul
                          language clearly distinguish them from passers by and bewildered locals. And
                          yet there was a time when revealing my country of origin was met with interest
                          and respect rather than jibes about fake passports, unlicensed drivers, pole
                          dancers and excessive vodka consumption. Embarrassment is the word.
                          Undoubtedly, there will be educated, inteligent countrymen settling down here
                          and making serious contribution to wealth creation in these isles. The more,
                          the better and good luck to them. But I would hate to see a new stereotype
                          appear in 20 years time in addition to Indian grocer, Turkish kebab vendor,
                          Afganistani cab driver ... Polish ditch digger. I may not be a Polish patriot
                          per se, which come to think about it, I'm not, but there remains a trace of
                          pride, you know .....
                          Regards

                          I do not doubt have no doubt that there will be intelligent and productive
                          • chickenshorts adapt, steph, adapt... 29.02.04, 10:46

                            "...because adaptability, not fear of diversity, is the mark of mankind."

                            No different types of migrants; rather, different attitudes.

                            A bit from David Aaronovitch:
                            "Here's a(n)(...) topical example. Last Tuesday's Express carried the front-
                            page headline, 'Immigration shambles'. In paragraph two of what was supposed to
                            be a news report about the possible level of migrant workers from newly acceded
                            EU countries, a Patrick O'Flynn wrote: 'Home Secretary David Blunkett told MPs
                            there were 540,000 vacancies which needed filling in the economy - abandoning
                            the pretence that only 13,000 would arrive.' On page four readers were
                            told...'68 days to go before huge influx from the East ...' Patrick O'Flynn,
                            again, wrote: 'The NHS could be pushed to breaking point if thousands of sick
                            immigrants arrive. Fears were raised that people from countries where HIV and
                            TB were rife will be able to travel here.'

                            The following day, relentlessly, page one: 'Migrants will fly here for just
                            £2' - a story by Padraic Flanagan claimed, without evidence, that 'thousands of
                            migrants are preparing to head into Britain on one-way air-tickets costing from
                            just £2'. On page five, under a completely gratuitous photo of 'Gypsies'
                            benefits rampage' in Slovakia, was the headline, 'Meanwhile cost of tackling
                            asylum hits £2 bn'. 'And here's what £2bn would buy the British taxpayer,' said
                            the Express, 'Seventy thousand new nurses, 60,000 new police officers'. And a
                            couple of Richard Desmonds.

                            These Irishmen - whose forebears were doubtless victims of the same hostility
                            they are now so wilfully stirring up for others - alongside others in the
                            Express, are writing this terrible rot because it sells. It sells, I guess, to
                            people who see themselves as the potential or actual victims of change, and who
                            want to blame someone for it. They are, in the old language, creating
                            scapegoats."

                            observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1158643,00.html

                            • erwas Re: adapt, steph, adapt... 02.03.04, 00:59
                              chickenshorts napisał:
                              > "...because adaptability, not fear of diversity, is the mark of mankind."

                              and Octavio Paz napisal:
                              what sets the world in motion is the interplay of differences, their
                              attractions and repulsions. Life is plurality, death is uniformity. By
                              suppressing differences and peculiarities, by eliminating different
                              civilizations and cultures, progress weakens life and favours death.

                              the benign rulers of the UK are well aware that it is to the economic benefit
                              of the country to accept immigrants, both the underclass (they're already
                              pissing in the streets of every major European city) and the professional, who
                              worryingly for countries like Poland are indeed about to swarm all over the EU.
                              the gutter press and populist polititians advance their sales and their careers
                              by manipulating the morally and mentally challenged (czyli: majority) with
                              these apocaliptic images. and as chickenshorts pointed out in the example
                              of "these Irishmen", it is the descendants of and even recent the immigrants
                              themselves who are locked into that crap, ashamed to be Polish or whatever and
                              smarting at being considered lowly then turning about being abusive to those
                              they consider being even lower than themselves.
                              just when you thought you couldn't get much lower.
                              a long time ago I read about this sad part of town in Tirana. now, being
                              Albanian is not always very prestigious in most parts, but in Tirana is must be
                              almost acceptable. there they have the Gypsies to abuse and feel the same
                              contempt for that the Brit and Steph feel for immigrant Poles. but the Gypsies
                              themselve are not entirely without solace. in a part of town called Kinostudio,
                              which sounds like the suburbs of an Albanian LA, there live a people who are
                              even lower, who are not even Gypsies, not anything, not even sub-Gypsies. the
                              Gypsies therefore treat them like the way one treats Gypsies.
                              wait till THEY get their free tickets and start pissin' up your neighbourhood.

                              pozdrowienia.
                              erwas
        • Gość: Bee Re: SICK BRITAIN IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 25.02.04, 21:49
          "As a British taxpayer I definitely do not welcome visitors
          seeking something for nothing at my expense. Wonder how many British citizens
          will be travelling to Poland in search of better life, just for the balance?"

          probably not many... but maybe you should start looking for historical reasons
          of such a situation. well, maybe if you guys supported poland a bit more
          strongly many years ago in its fight for freedom and normal life, you wouldn't
          have to worry now about health tourists.
        • Gość: Wombat Re: SICK BRITAIN IP: *.vline.pl / 217.98.54.* 25.02.04, 21:51
          Dear little shit :)
          I'm sure there will be less Poles going to your bloody Pommie Land then you whining bludgers going to Oz in search of better life. Get the fuck out of Poland if you don't like it......
          • Gość: m boys boys boys! IP: 5.5R3D* / *.cache.pol.co.uk 02.03.04, 11:38
            Who in the right mind would rely on the under-educated British medicine men and women!?
            Honestly, with most of the work force in the sector coming from the so-called "third world
            countries" (Asia and Africa), where the price of human life and health is not too much inflated
            anyway and the somewhat peculiar (to a European mind perhaps only) attitudes towards hygiene
            cannot be deafeated at a "short course" at King's College in the Strand ....?
            Please.
            This is embarassing on many levels.
            What about the reversal of situation?
            Cheap dental treatments in Poland?
            Cosmetic surgery trips to Polanica at a fraction of a cost comparing to any of the Harley Street
            clinics etc etc etc.
            How about the cheap sexual trips Westerners regularly take to Eastern Europe (sorry:the holiday
            romance....... :) )...?
            Hey, there'a a price to be paid for the priviliges.
            Want us to waste our resources on unnecessary western technology and style (all the military,
            monetary and fashion bollox) ?

            Well, gotta put up with an occassional vulgarity of the beautiful sound of "kurwa jebana" on the
            streets of London which, I believe, for many are still paved with gold..
            • erwas Re: boys boys boys! 03.03.04, 02:24
              > Honestly, with most of the work force in the sector coming from the so-
              called " third world countries" (Asia and Africa), where the price of life
              and health is not too much inflated
              > anyway and the somewhat peculiar (to a European mind perhaps only) attitudes
              > towards hygiene

              hm, m!
              pretty acrobatic what with your tongue in your cheek and foot in your mouth all
              in one instance.

              • erwas Re: boys boys boys! 03.03.04, 05:52
                just happened to run into this:
                news.independent.co.uk/uk/health/story.jsp?story=497010
                • Gość: steph Re: boys boys boys! IP: *.in-addr.btopenworld.com 03.03.04, 11:25
                  And I just happen to agree that influx of health 'professionals' is indeed
                  necessary to solve current problems in the sector. However, it's rather
                  unlikely to be tackled by the East European underclass; or am I missing
                  something? Are the coachloads arriving at Dover full of medical graduates in
                  drag? Are the congregations proping up the walls of the so called Polish
                  Cultural Center in London made up of IT experts, lawyers and bankers hungry for
                  gainful employment? Well, if that is the case, then I welcome them all, with
                  extra points for skillful disguise.
                  And if you ever find yourself in need of hospital treatment in our
                  multicultural, ethnically diverse NHS, I wish you luck. Short course in sign
                  language prior to ward allocation wouldn't go amiss; just so you could enjoy
                  the blood-boiling experience to the full.
              • mevex "foot and mouth" 05.03.04, 16:00
                yep, disease all over the f****** place!
                Now the lazy bug, erwas, you forgot to mention the peculiar British anal glaucoma syndromme,
                head-up-your arse acrobatics with a particularly stiff upper lip!

                "I can't see my arse turning up at work "
                , says any Saxon in a summat gruff plastered'n'pissed vocal, still inebriated at the top of a.m. on
                Monday morning..

                Head down the toilet and pay homage to the porcelain god repeatedly with the full contents of his
                belly pregnant and swollen with the last night 4am exotic foreign cousine delivered to him by a
                smiling fucking foreigner.

                "Verrree good sirrrr.... Verrrii nice sirr!",
                (I get paid Ł1:50 GBP per hr, I'm happy to be here at 4am to serve you your shish, you pissed
                unfaithful white pig!)

                Now let's see, can the f****** NHS relieve this friggin "mental diarrhoea" !?

                Nope!
                I didn't think so.

                The natural born Brit is an animal too bloody comfortably numb and set in his ways...

                He needs fresh blood and oxygen in his brain.

                And it is good for him to learn some Polish,Yoruba and Gujerati to communicate with his GP,
                "night nurse", "Pole"-dancer and lawyer unless...

                ..unless he will himself get of his fucking arse and get a degree or two..

                ..or produce some healthy and atractive genes for the future generation of beautifull pure-arian or
                mongrel British whores with a grain of rhytm in their agile bodies!

                D-I-V-E-R-S-I-T-Y < => P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S

                N-B-P < => R--E-G-R-E-S-S
                • erwas Re: "foot and mouth" 05.03.04, 17:53
                  > head-up-your arse acrobatics with a particularly stiff upper lip!

                  in this instance the stiffening of the upper lip is an English symptom of
                  sexual arausal. if an English type of a person inserts his entire head inside
                  of his anus some part of it needs to be stiff, otherwise the entire body-part
                  will just flop around uselessly and to no effect.

                  > Head down the toilet and pay homage to the porcelain god

                  yes, indeed. when will the English ever learn to use the bidet.

                  > ..or produce some healthy and atractive genes for the future generation of
                  > beau tifull pure-arian or
                  > mongrel British whores with a grain of rhytm in their agile bodies!

                  you do understand, of course, that none of the above desribed activity leads to
                  reproduction or the passing on of genes and all that.
                  • Gość: annaS Re: "foot and mouth" IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 05.03.04, 22:09
                    Guys,

                    The Brits are a lot more open to the new EU countries than any other country
                    apart from Ireland so please stop slagging the UK off.

                    It seems that the populist newspapers in the UK write stupid things for stupid
                    people. Is this different from any other country? If you respond to stupid
                    stories with stupid comments then you look stupid. Can we have some proper
                    discussion on this subject please
                    • erwas Re: "foot and mouth" 07.03.04, 04:18
                      > The Brits are a lot more open to the new EU countries than any other country
                      > apart from Ireland so please stop slagging the UK off.

                      then you have either never lived in Britain and do not know what a lot of
                      narrow-minded bigots set the tone and dominate public opinion OR, if, as I
                      suspect, you are a narrow minded bigot yourself and do indeed live in that
                      sceptered tuft of matter you share these putrid views.

                      no, anna, the British government might be not so much open as opportunistic in
                      seeing an enticing economic opportunity arising from the inflow of new
                      taxpayers from the New Europe. the Brits, as you are suggesting, are not open.
                      it's an illusion: their tight little orifices are struggling to open, that's
                      all.

                      > It seems that the populist newspapers in the UK write stupid things for
                      >stupid people. Is this different from any other country?

                      yes. the difference lies in the uncompromising meanness of spirit. the UK
                      tabloid press could not be, without the enthusiastic support of the writhing
                      English czern (know your Sienkiewicz?).

                      > If you respond to stupid
                      > stories with stupid comments then you look stupid.

                      after a lifetime of grooming and trying to tart myself up for special occasions
                      I still look stupid.

                      > Can we have some proper discussion on this subject please

                      obviously not. if you're such a prickly little pissy-hissy why don't you take a
                      fucking hike and don't read my posts any more.

                      z glebokim powazaniem (just kidding)
                      erwas
                    • Gość: m it sucks round here.. IP: 5.5R3D* / *.cache.pol.co.uk 07.03.04, 05:27
                      ..so methinks so me piss off somewhere else, nicer, like, let's say, back by the river where the
                      moon is still full .

                      Where the lovers are kissing and touching each other up
                      (while their husbands and wives snug as a bug in a rug at home)
                      at the desserted millennium piers.
                      Where homeless beggars release their dirty seed into their filthy masturbating hands on the
                      benches by the river bank
                      while the fornicators (not under consent of the king) commit adultery with their neighbours wife
                      by the river bank.

                      Where the moon is still full.

                      I will now fuck off somewhere nicer as this thread has filled me up with an involuntary ante
                      meridiem schmeltzing twitch and powerful desire to breakfast on me own excrement.

                      No good. No sir. Nope . No good.

                      Time for an alcoholic post mortem.

                      Yes. Why can't we discuss things in a civilised manner, huh?

                      A bunch of nationally unhealthy tossers systematically rude wonkers and primitive beyond repair
                      fragmented brain diseased mental masturbators aided by brainless arseholes, aren't we just
                      charming?
                      Let's not corrupt a healthy thread like this with lowlife bollox no more, please.

                      What a lovely sane crowd we are, discussing the health of the nation here!

                      No place for little righteous virgins.


                      • chickenshorts Re: it sucks round here..// No it doesn't. 07.03.04, 16:24
                        erwas napisal:
                        >after a lifetime of grooming and trying to tart myself up for special
                        >occasions I still look stupid.<

                        Maybe it's the 'tarting up', erwas? I don't know what you look like but you do
                        sound, at times, like a... well... floozy


                        >yes. the difference lies in the uncompromising meanness of spirit. the UK
                        >tabloid press could not be, without the enthusiastic support of the writhing
                        >English czern (know your Sienkiewicz?).<
                        (...)>the British government might be not so much open as opportunistic in<
                        >seeing an enticing economic opportunity arising from the inflow of new<
                        >taxpayers from the New Europe
                        >

                        So, since the present government had twice a landslide win, it does show
                        the 'writhing English czern' in a rather favourable light, I would have thought.
                        Chill it, man.
                        A picture from 'overthere', just for the balance:

                        "Debbie is a Republican Jew because of her father, who insists on
                        Republicanism. But, it turns out, while she voted for Bush in 2000 she went for
                        Clinton in 1996. She is, in fact, a swing voter from a non-swing state. She
                        doesn't want to pay taxes, but she doesn't like poverty. 'My kids go to public
                        school, not private. It breaks my heart. Some of the kids come to school in the
                        winter without jackets. They stand outside from real early, because their moms
                        drop them off, and they don't have gloves.' Even so, Debbie will happily drive
                        60 miles into New Jersey to avoid paying New York's higher level of state sales
                        taxes.

                        But where she really doesn't get Bush any more is on foreign policy. 'Why are
                        we in Haiti?' she demands. 'They don't want us there. Are we going to police
                        the whole world? The Iraqis don't want us either. I think we should just bomb
                        the whole place, the whole Middle East. Except for Israel.' "

                        www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1163942,00.html
                        ***

                        Gość portalu: m napisał(a):

                        > ..so methinks so me piss off somewhere else, nicer, like, let's say, back by
                        th
                        > e river where the
                        > moon is still full .

                        > Let's not corrupt a healthy thread like this with lowlife bollox no more,
                        pleas
                        > e.
                        >
                        > What a lovely sane crowd we are, discussing the health of the nation here!
                        >
                        > No place for little righteous virgins.

                        Wow, aren't you romantic, mishy?

                        • Gość: m raw raw romantic IP: 5.5R3D* / *.cache.pol.co.uk 08.03.04, 01:54
                          by the effin'river bank..

                          Lay off ervie's slutty lil outfits, cheeekypants, boy...let da gal be for f***'s sake..

                          does it for me, tellin ya, bird...like dem ezeee gals I do I do I do...

                          nahtn aids the mental process better then a piece of tightly clad black rubber...

                          Just you look at the positively inspiring brain cell promiscuity spillin verbal adrenalin
                          allovadaplace...

                          Stayin round here?
                          Maybe care to join me for a lil'in-teh-lecture-all walkies by the river Thames......?
                          I put lil spikey collar round ya lil red neck..
                          .. off we go, exercise ya lil chicken bones ..

                          I look deep into your chicken eyes and listen to your crap with me mouth all open, filozofie mo'j
                          ty!
                          raw raw romantic
                          I'll give u romantic!
                          We drink.
                          We walk.
                          We sing.
                          We talk.
                          We drink some more.
                          Fall over.
                          And walk no more.

                          Get up amorous delirious
                          we follow a nice little ancient custom round here (in England)

                          Pick up some orange traffic cones..and lovingly drag them home with us at 4am?

                          <sounds romantic to me>

                          (huh? what's that all about?
                          any English gals about?
                          please explain
                          can u treat this thing on NHS?)

                          Huh?
                          Any takers?
                          Chicken, don't be a party pooper!
                          Stop reading Guardian!
                          Come out to play!
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