"dyspozycyjny" in English??

[Gość: ja]

How would you translate??
Thanks in advance:))

[beciab]

Available.
Disposable? At one's disposal.

[Gość: brum_brum]

I would say a "Dispatcher"....hopping it works for you !.
Cheeres....brum_brum

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> How would you translate??
> Thanks in advance:))

[Gość: ja]

"dyspozycyjny/a" but regarding flexible work hours:)
how would you write it in a motivation letter??

[Gość: brum_brum]

maybe "on call" or "casual supervisior", "part-time dispatcher",
good luck...brum_brum

[Gość: brum_brum]

Sorry, I forgot to tell you that the "google" is very useful search engine on
the internet. There you can find all kinds of pages with explanation of english
words. Pozdrawiam....brum_brum

[Gość: ja]

Thanks brum_brum :))

[Gość: brum_brum]

My pleasure, ja
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> Thanks brum_brum :))

[Gość: Andy]

1."Thanks in advance" means:"dziekuje z gory"
2.dispatcher =" dyspozytor" in Polish.
brgds.

[Gość: ja]

Thanks, but it's nothing new;))

[Gość: guest]

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> "dyspozycyjny/a" but regarding flexible work hours:)
> how would you write it in a motivation letter??

It's a cover or covering letter--there is no such thing as a motivation letter.

As for the question, "willing to work flexible hours" sounds best to me.

[Gość: gp]

[Gość: From Evanston]

Thus far, the translation tips regarding the word "dyspozycyjny" have been misleading.
You cannot (and should not) translate this word into "dispatcher," since "dispatcher" means "dyspozytor," that is one
who gives directions and directives, a superior, one who commends. By contrast, "dyspozycyjny" refers to one who
takes directions and directives, one who agrees to be in a subordinated position. Likewise, you cannot (and should
not) translate the word "dyspozycyjny" into the phrase "at one's disposal." Why? Because this phrase means "w
czyjejs dyspozycji," a nie "dyspozycyjny." To make this difference clear, I could say, "Joanna has a lot of cash at her
disposal" ("Joanna ma duzo gotowki do swojej dyspozycji"), which does not mean that she is "dyspozycyjna."
Moreover, the word "dyspozycyjny" often has a negative connotation. It describes an individual who willingly accepts
the prospect of being used by somebody else, usually by one's superiors. In the PRL, "dyspozycyjny aparatczyk"
meant "a party apparatchik who too easily does what his or her superiors wanted him or her to do. If I say, "Joanna
jest taka dyspozycyjna," I suggest that she eagerly (too eagerly) takes orders from her superiors. To get rid of this
negative dimension, you should translate "dyspozycyjny" into "flexible" (elastyczny, chcacy i majacy potencjal do
dostosowania sie do roznych wymogow i okolicznosci, na przyklad w pracy). However, if you want to emphasize
both one's flexibility and one's ability to take somebody else's orders uncritically, the word "disposable" seems to much
better. It means "free for use, available" but also carries a sense of moral flexibility.

[Gość: chickenshorts]

Gość portalu: From Evanston napisał(a):

> Thus far, the translation tips regarding the word "dyspozycyjny" have been
misl
> eading.
> You cannot (and should not) translate this word into "dispatcher,"
since "dispa
> tcher" means "dyspozytor," that is one
> who gives directions and directives, a superior, one who commends. By
contrast,
> "dyspozycyjny" refers to one who
> takes directions and directives, one who agrees to be in a subordinated
positio
> n. Likewise, you cannot (and should
> not) translate the word "dyspozycyjny" into the phrase "at one's disposal."
Why
> ? Because this phrase means "w
> czyjejs dyspozycji," a nie "dyspozycyjny." To make this difference clear, I
cou
> ld say, "Joanna has a lot of cash at her
> disposal" ("Joanna ma duzo gotowki do swojej dyspozycji"), which does not
mean
> that she is "dyspozycyjna."
> Moreover, the word "dyspozycyjny" often has a negative connotation. It
describe
> s an individual who willingly accepts
> the prospect of being used by somebody else, usually by one's superiors. In
the
> PRL, "dyspozycyjny aparatczyk"
> meant "a party apparatchik who too easily does what his or her superiors
wanted
> him or her to do. If I say, "Joanna
> jest taka dyspozycyjna," I suggest that she eagerly (too eagerly) takes
orders
> from her superiors. To get rid of this
> negative dimension, you should translate "dyspozycyjny" into "flexible"
(elasty
> czny, chcacy i majacy potencjal do
> dostosowania sie do roznych wymogow i okolicznosci, na przyklad w pracy).

Christ! What a performance! You must be a walking (cycling) Cyclopedia...
of rather useless knowledge, I'm afraid...


Howev
> er, if you want to emphasize
> both one's flexibility and one's ability to take somebody else's orders
uncriti
> cally, the word "disposable" seems to much
> better. It means "free for use, available" but also carries a sense of moral
fl
> exibility.

Like nappies, right? Or, bin liners, carrier bags...? These show certainly
great flexibility!

[Gość: From Evanston]

You cannot be partially pregnant. You either translate a phrase/word correctly or you don't. If you don't, or if you
follow misleading tips, you risk both being funny and misunderstood, that is, being ridiculous. To sum this up, too much
unlearned flexibility in the business of translation is like turning yourself into a joke. Good luck with your
"dyspozycyjny" translated into "dispatcher."

[Gość: chickenShorts]

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> You cannot be partially pregnant. You either translate a phrase/word
correctly
> or you don't. If you don't, or if you
> follow misleading tips, you risk both being funny and misunderstood, that is,
b
> eing ridiculous. To sum this up, too much
> unlearned flexibility in the business of translation is like turning yourself
i
> nto a joke. Good luck with your
> "dyspozycyjny" translated into "dispatcher."

Ha, never have I agreed to a "dispatcher" nor any other "translation tip"
here, sir, so attributing to me crap and wishing me good lack with it is... a
criminal offense!
Should it still matter to the translation, I would rather ask the poster, ja,
why the hell is he so attached to "dyspozycyjny" - is it the tittle of his work
position? Like 'zawiadowca'? Otherwise, the word sounds awkward, to say the
least.
Anyway, during my twelve years of being surrounded by everyday English, never
have I heard the adj.'disposable' accompany a person or what the person does, I
can assure you. Unless with an insult in mind. English 'disposable' is not the
same as French 'disponible'! Now, having said that, I allow for the use
of 'disposable' with particular meaning attached in technical jargon and such,
but I doubt it's applicable here.
As for pregnancies, I don't really know. Frankly, I can imagine partial
pregnancy; a phrase begining 'pregnant with meaning', for instance, would allow
partiality in certain sense of the word and you would be a perfect example of
this.

[Gość: Rev. Reverend]

This is getting way too complicated.
- Mary, are you pregnant?
- Just a little bit, not much.

Disposable like disposable camera or disposable razor.
In everyday english it means throw away camera or throw away razor.
Stick with flexible.

On the label it used to read "Discard after use". What the f... they want me
to do with it? Well, now it reads "Throw away after use". It helps to cut down
on expletives.

[Gość: chickenShorts]

Gość portalu: Rev. Reverend napisał(a):

> This is getting way too complicated.
> - Mary, are you pregnant?
> - Just a little bit, not much.

I thought it went differenly... At least, according to Scriptures.

- Joseph, pleassse!... Joseph, stop it! I am pregnant!
- Mary!
- Oh, no, it's not what you think. It was God!

Rev, you are a crap Minister!


> Disposable like disposable camera or disposable razor.
> In everyday english it means throw away camera or throw away razor.
> Stick with flexible.
>
> On the label it used to read "Discard after use". What the f... they want me
> to do with it? Well, now it reads "Throw away after use". It helps to cut
down
> on expletives.

Don't cut down on expletives! This forum will die...

[Gość: From Evanston]

Too much self-confidence usually borders on the grotesque. To make the readers of this forum believe how
competent you are linguistically you employ a worn-out strategy, namely, the argument ad verecundiam (from
authority) by saying "during my twelve years of being surrounded by everyday English ... I can assure you." Which is
intended to suggest that the longer you stay within an English-language environment, the more competent
language-wise you are. Wrong. I know many folks who you've been immersed in English for decades and they are still
(linguistically) waterproof. Perhaps that's your case. (Here's my argument ad hominem--yes, a personal attack.) Going
back do the issue: what I was trying to clarify in my first message was that the Polish adjective "dyspozycyjny" is
more complex than the suggested "available" (or "flexible" and the like) as its English equivalent. Why? Because the
former is, at least potentially, ethically offensive (in the Polish language of the PRL, the adjective "dyspozycyjny" meant
"gotowy sluzyc bezkrytycznie," which meant that if Mr. X was described officially as "dyspozycyjny" he was
unofficially called "dyspozycyjna szmata"). The English word "available" simply does not have this judgmental
component. It was in this context that I offered the adjective "disposable" (which is indeed offensive) to incorporate
into the translated word this ethical dimension of the Polish/PRL original. In short, some sort of cultural (and not
linguistic) translation was needed. On the other hand, if you strip the word "dyspozycyjny" of its PRL context, then
fine--you can translate it safely into the word "available" or "flexible," which occurs frequently within a business-like
environment. Having said that, I am now leaving for good, so you can now go on with making your readers believe
you're a William Safire of the Wyborcza forum.

[Gość: chickenShorts]

Gość portalu: From Evanston napisał(a):

> Too much self-confidence usually borders on the grotesque. To make the
readers
> of this forum believe how
> competent you are linguistically you employ a worn-out strategy, namely, the
ar
> gument ad verecundiam (from
> authority) by saying "during my twelve years of being surrounded by everyday
En
> glish ... I can assure you." Which is
> intended to suggest that the longer you stay within an English-language
environ
> ment, the more competent
> language-wise you are.

Indeed! But you are wrong to suggest I needed any reader of this forum brain
washed to have him/her persuaded. It was merely addressed to and intended for
you. And it's not about me employing wright or wrong vocabulary. It's about you
and your ridiculous justification of 'disposable' in place of 'disponible'!


Wrong. I know many folks who you've been immersed in Eng
> lish for decades and they are still
> (linguistically) waterproof. Perhaps that's your case. (Here's my argument ad
h
> ominem--yes, a personal attack.) Going
> back do the issue: what I was trying to clarify in my first message was that
th
> e Polish adjective "dyspozycyjny" is
> more complex than the suggested "available" (or "flexible" and the like) as
its
> English equivalent. Why? Because the
> former is, at least potentially, ethically offensive (in the Polish language
of
> the PRL, the adjective "dyspozycyjny" meant
> "gotowy sluzyc bezkrytycznie," which meant that if Mr. X was described
official
> ly as "dyspozycyjny" he was
> unofficially called "dyspozycyjna szmata"). The English word "available"
simply
> does not have this judgmental
> component. It was in this context that I offered the adjective "disposable"
(wh
> ich is indeed offensive) to incorporate
> into the translated word this ethical dimension of the Polish/PRL original.
In
> short, some sort of cultural (and not
> linguistic) translation was needed. On the other hand, if you strip the
word "d
> yspozycyjny" of its PRL context,

For fuck's sake, man, you clearly have a problem!

then
> fine--you can translate it safely into the word "available" or "flexible,"
whic
> h occurs frequently within a business-like
> environment. Having said that, I am now leaving for good, so you can now go
on
> with making your readers believe
> you're a William Safire of the Wyborcza forum.

And you clearly aspire to 'C.Hitchens league'. He famously said
once that Stalin was a great man, then, when it wasn't safe any more defend
this stance without risking mental asylum, he tried Lenin... Now, I hear, he is
close to share a platform with... guess who?

[Gość: ania]

As far as I know you don't say in English ''thanks in advance'' as it sounds
rather offensive...

[Gość: chickenShorts]

Gość portalu: ania napisał(a):

> As far as I know you don't say in English ''thanks in advance'' as it sounds
> rather offensive...

Ha, ha...

But... no, it doesn't!

[Gość: [e-mail]]

hi, your letter regarding the "flexible" gig really impressed me. Just by
chance I found this page "only in English" and by the way went thru all the e-
mails. and guess what!? I (unfortunately) came to the conclusion that mostly
silly (not to say stupid, moronic) people try themselves at these questions
and only a small group actually know what's being talked about. anyhow all I
wanted to say is that you did a really good job and I wanted to let you know
that at least I appereciate it. so keep up the good work :)
meg

[Gość: dd]

w liscie motywacyjnym lub resume: available

[Gość: lolo]

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> How would you translate??
> Thanks in advance:))

A "slave" would be a good word in Polish environment.

[Gość: ania]

In my opinion you just don't have to write it...
I'll check it, but I'm almost sure that I'm right;-)

[Gość: chickenShorts]

Oh, I agree! You don't write it and you can bet your last fiver that the
people who said 'thanks in advance' would be foreigners, but it is not
offensive...

[Gość: ania]

OK, I agree to a compromise...;-)

[Gość: Rev. Reverend]

Da horse is dead. Stop beating it.
Get holidized.
Merry Christmas.

[Gość: Midwest]

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> Oh, I agree! You don't write it and you can bet your last fiver that the
> people who said 'thanks in advance' would be foreigners, but it is not
> offensive...

Foreigners? Wrong. Hey man, you yourself sound like a Polish-born foreigner. No, there's nothing foreign in saying
"many thanks in advance." My wife, who is an Australianand a linguist by training, says the phrase does not reveal
the non-Englishness of the speaker at all, whatsoever, as chickenShorts wants to suggests. From my own
experience: over the last twelve years that I have spent in America (working in academia), I have seen this particular
expression many times, especially in writing, and especially in semi-official documents produced by American
native-speakers. So the Americans do use the phrase, so do the Australians; only chickenShorts advises otherwise.
What's wrong with the guy? Given the neurotic frequency with which he appears on this forum, he needs some help.
The recognition he seeks so agressively should be replaced by the recognition he strongly deserves from some
doctors.

thank you in advance

[Gość: Bert]

The trouble is "thank you in advance" may mean more than
just the polite and well-intended "thank you now for the
future favor you will certainly deliver". The inadvertent
ambiguity that might be conveyed to the oversensitive
kind (is he advancing his cause? why is he so sure or
presumptuous I am ready to oblige?) might be somewhat
awkward and uncalled for. Actually, when you come to
think about it, the anticipation of or the hope for a
favor would prefer the humble "please" as more logical,
wouldn’t you agree? Do you really want to thank someone
before he deserves your appreciation? Why dish out the
advance on gratitude?
Whether this is the reason or not, the fact remains
thanking someone in advance is not frequently heard, even
in the Midwest.

[Gość: Midwest]

Gość portalu: Bert napisał(a):

> Whether this is the reason or not, the fact remains
> thanking someone in advance is not frequently heard, even
> in the Midwest.

Good point. That's exactly what I wanted address but failed to be clear about: the phrase "many thanks in
advance" appears primarily in writing. (I have not heard this phrase in spoken English.) Cheers,

[Gość: Bert]

Well, that's not the point I was making. Let me put it in
a more direct way: Do not thank in advance either in
informal speech or in a formal paper. Period.
It is trite; it presumptuously assumes the favor or help
requested will be forthcoming; it implies that the writer
will not trouble to express appreciation after the favor
has been done.

Although most people who thank in advance are, most
likely, trying to be polite the phrase sounds bad enough
to be avoided. Why not say, "any help you can give me
will be appreciated" instead?

disposal vs. disposition

[Gość: Bert]

At the risk of being presumptuous I would say "disposal"
is being confused with "disposition".
The disposal means getting rid of, while disposition
means natural tendency or temperament. Being at one's
disposal is not the same as being at one's disposition.
For example, the disposition of goods is excellent (they
are excellently disposed, arranged, or the disposition of
an employee is commendable), but the disposal of goods
has to be taken care of because the goods are no good
anymore.

[Gość: Kagan]

Gość portalu: ja napisał(a):
How would you translate??
Thanks in advance:))
K: "Ready to lick managerial asses at all times and in all ways".

[Gość: Kagan]

Gość portalu: ja napisał(a):
How would you translate??
Thanks in advance:))
K: There are several ways to say "dyspozycyjny" in the language of
Chaucer, Shakespeare and George Bush jr.
1. I am always at my Boss' disposal.
2. I am permanently at the Management service.
3. Will do antyhing at any time for low wages.
4. Just kick my ass, and I'll be ready for action, my Boss!
5. I never sleep, never go to the loo, I am always ready and willing to
receive your order, my Boss!
6. I do not sleep, do not think, I am always at your service, oh my Boss!
7. I have no personality, I am only an extention of my Boss.
8. I consider it a great priviledge to serve the Company day and night
for whatever the Management considers a fair wage.
9. I am always on duty, more than 24 hours per callendar day.
10. I am an ideal slave: I never question orders, and am always redy to perform
whatever the Management wishes.
etc.
(For more examples please write to [e-mail])

[awalk]

flexible

[Gość: zawodowiec]

hows about a 3F employee - fast, flexible and focused?
pozdro

[Gość: jargosia]

flexible works best. dispositional, maybe. disposable means jednorazowa/y/e, so
it doesn't work.
you're safest with flexible

[karta2]

of accommodating predisposition

"willing to work flexible hours"

[Gość: Smart Liar]

"Byc dyspozycyjnym" means more than the above statement, but do not say
it, "prove" it.