"Arab może myć podłogi w Białym Domu"? Szef kan...

[uzi4u]

Robienie afery z tego, że ojciec nie do końca ma pojęcie co robi
jego syn, i plecie trzy po trzy, świadczy chyba tylko o braku
lepszych tematów i próbie robienia afery na siłę. Co jest winny syn
i czemu ma przepraszac za ojca i sie odcinać ??? To jest chore.
Poza tym druga sprawa, dlaczego w Stanach nie można powiedzieć, że
2+2=4, żeby zaraz ktoś nie był tym urazony ?

G.

"Arab może myć podłogi w Białym Domu"? Szef kan...

[hrabia-monte-christo]

a gdzie oburzenie GW i cytowanie oburzonych swiatowych mediow jak w przypadku
posla Gorskiego ???

zenada

[ak102]

Właśnie. Dlaczego Gazeta i TVN nie domagają się ukarania ojca Emanuela???
Dlaczego Olejnik nie zadaje pytań Tuskowi, w jaki sposób powinien być ojciec
Emanuela ukarany, jak duża powinna być jego cela i czy powinien przeprosić
społeczność arabską i w jaki sposób??? Dlaczego w TVN Morozowski nie przepytuje
komentatorów czy ojciec Emanuela obrażał Arabów na siedząco, czy na stojąco???
Ludzie czekają na takie informacje, a Olejnik i Morozowski zajmują się jak
zreformować nasz kraj, jak przyspieszyć rozwój, co zrobić, abyśmy mieli szybkie
koleje i sieć dobrych dróg. takie głupoty Polaków nie interesują

"Arab może myć podłogi w Białym Domu"? Szef kan...

[kpix]

wolałbym żeby zamiast o bzdurach, GW napisała o nowej eskalacji
przemocy między Izraelem a Hamasem w Gazie, trwającej od 3-4 dni,
która mogła spowodować zerwanie trwającego od 5 miesięcy zawieszenia
broni i nowe walki. Eskalacja ma się chyba ku końcowi (na szczęście),
więc żeby dogonić inne agencje Wyborczej dużo czasu nie zostało.

Ten ojciec działał w terrorystycznym Irgun

[europacierz]

poczytaj sobie co ta organizacja żydowska robiła w czasie II wojny i jaki był
jej stosunek do Arabów. możesz być pewny że on nie plecie tak sobie trzy po trzy

"Arab może myć podłogi w Białym Domu"? Szef kan...

[kijwoko]

"Szef kancelarii prezydenta-elekta Baracka Obamy, kongresman Rahm Emanuel
przeprosił społeczność arabską w USA za skandaliczną, obraźliwą pod adresem
Arabów wypowiedź swojego ojca, imigranta z Izraela. - Kim on jest, Arabem? Nie
będzie przecież mył podłóg w Białym Domu - powiedział ojciec Emanuela w jednym
z wywiadów. "

Toz to zwykly antysemityzm takie rzeczy ujawniac!

(przypominam definicje: antysemita to ten, ktorego Zydzi nie lubia)

Gdyby Hitler nie zabijał żydów to sami stanęliby

[profanum_vulgus]

w pierwszych szeregach jego nazistowskiej machiny.
To szowiniści pierwszej klasy, czego mamy wspaniały
przykład.

rozumiem. 5 milionów Żydów to jak jeden mąż

[kpix]

szowiniści. Tylko ciekawe czemu w Izraelu są dziesiątki organizacji
praw człowieka i prawników broniących Palestyńczyków. Kto w tych
organizacjach zasiada: sami Arabowie?

no i te wspaniałe porównanie do Hitlera... gratulacje.

tylko jeden

[profanum_vulgus]

ci są już ok

wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/1,80277,5937705,Izrael__Sad_wojenny_za_znecanie_sie_nad_palestynskim.html

[kpix]

dla kogo kto jest niby ok? i kim jest ten "jeden"?

ale wiesz co, w ramach zainteresowań hitlerowskich proponuję
zapoznanie się z tym bohaterem :

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni

[profanum_vulgus]

ja zaś proponuje zapoznanie się z tymi artykułami

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganaha

chociaż nie oddają one żydowskiego terroryzmu
w rzeczywistej skali

[kpix]

proponuję wpierw nauczyć się rozgraniczenia między Irgunem a Haganą
oraz między Irgunem a Al Husajnim.

Irgun był małą terrorystyczną organizacją, która była na noże z Haganą
i po wojnie w 1948 roku została zlikwidowana, nawet zatopiono statek
z dostawą broni do niej. Hagana była zwykłą armią.

Tymczasem wracając do Al Husajniego, naprawdę proponuję zajrzeć,
skoro kolega wspomniał Hitlera. Al Husajni z jednej strony był
przywódcą Palestyńczyków w tamtym czasie, a z drugiej strony
był bandytą nazistowskim jakich mało.
www.jimena.org/faq/images/mufti_husseini_hitler.jpg
www.rumburak.friko.pl/img/husseini_konsul.jpg
www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/thumbnails/4-Husseini-nazi_jpg_jpg_jpg.jpg

[snellville]

profanum_vulgus napisał:

> ci są już ok
>
> wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/1,80277,5937705,Izrael__Sad_wojenny_za_znecanie_sie_nad_palestynskim.html



Wojna kolego tam caly czas jest,zawsze sie trafia jacys idioci zeby
zrobic sobie "ubaw".
Jakos sagana mu nie obcieli siekiera jak to robia arabowie.

[profanum_vulgus]

robią straszniejsze rzeczy,
tylko nie nagrywają tych wyczynów

"Arab może myć podłogi w Białym Domu"? Szef kan..

[snellville]

A ja i tak zydow lubie,czasami przeplace ale zawsze przy nich
zarobie.

Stary cos powiedzial,mlody wyprostuje,handelek sie kreci.

...okazało się że prezes Moskal miał rację

[danka2007]

On to przewidział , ze ten kto był żołnierzem w innej armii nie może
być reprezentantem suwerennego narodu amerykańskiego.
Wtedy nikt mu nie wierzył, a szydło wyszło z worka.

a co pan tusk na to?

[carpaccio4]

chciałbym mieć jasność. w końcu utrzymuje się z pieniędzy podatników. jeśli nie,
to chciałbym wiedzieć z jakich.

pan tusk ponoć palił blanta

[carpaccio4]

po tym czy przed tym?

Opinia taka sama jak Górskiego

[444a]

W Polsce rasizm pokazał poseł Górski, w USA ojciec szefa kancelarii prezydenta.
Swoją drogą to większy skandal niż u nas.

To zupełnie być nie może...

[michalw4]

żeby Żyd wygłaszał rasistowskie poglądy na temat Arabów, że niby się tylko do
mycia podłóg nadają. Zupełnie nie do wiary. I to jeszcze ojciec szefa kancelarii
gwiazdy i ikony pojednania i równouprawnienia. To pewnie prowokacja prawicowych
mediów niezadowolonych ze zwycięstwa Afroamerykanina.

Wybrazmy sobie,

[bezportek]

ze z podobnym pogladem wyskoczyl nie jakis demokretyn, ale
ktokolwiek z Republikanow. Wszystkie, literalnie wszystkie
gadzinowki od NYT do People i Hustler'a przez rok
opluwalyby "faszystowskiego rasiste", na stu kanalach szesciu
obamanow co wieczor by go parodiowalo i wyzywalo lewackimi wyrazy, a
caly polswiatek menelewicy trzaslby faldami brudnej skory na
kolektywnym podbrodku ze swietego oburzenia. Hipertolerancja i
glaskanie pod sztorc to podstawowy dogmat wiary z lewej nogawki -
ale stosowany tylko do wlasnych wyznawcow, nigdy do ludzi.

[keradk]

ja mysle ze to swiadczy jedynie o tym ze Żydzi to rasiści, podobnie
jak czarni. staje sie to coraz bardziej jasne. Do tej pory terror
politycznej poprawności nie pozwolił o tym mówić i czarni stali sie
tak pewni siebie ze zaczynaja mordować. Żydzi juz dawno morduja pod
płaszczykiem usa. I to masowo! i to własnie jest 2+2=4

Obama jeszcze nie jest w Białym Domu

[przyladek.dobrej.nadziei]

A już rogorzała nowa wojna arabsko-izrealska. Amerykańscy chłopcy szykujcie się
na wojenkę na Bliskim Wschodzie.

"Arab może myć podłogi w Białym Domu"? Szef kan..

[ros.targniony]

''przecie żydzi to naród wybrany .jedyny naród właściwy przez jedynego
prawdziwego boga wybrany.reszta to śmiecie . no co wy wiary najprawdziwszej nie
poznajecie to jak zwierzęta w szambie innowierstwa zdechniecie'' cytat z rabina
neofanatyka

To podłe oszczerstwo i jawny antysemityzm.

[trombozuh]

Wszyscy przecież wiedzą doskonale, że to niemożliwe, aby Żyd powiedział coś
takiego. Żydzi są wspaniali, szlachetni i zawsze byli krzywdzeni. A jak ktoś
krytykuje jakiegokolwiek Żyda, to jest głupim antysemitą i tyle w tym temacie.

Jestes zwykly antysemicki kutafon.

[wroxi]

Jestes zwykly antysemicki kutafon.

Gorzej niż niefortunna wypowiedź

[mark.parker]

Wypowiedź Emanuela-seniora była bardziej niż
niefortunna i przyniosła synowi wstyd. Z ludzkiego i
politycznego punktu widzenia była skandaliczna. Tak to
bywa, kiedy rodzice - nafaszerowani dumą z osiągnięć
dziecka - bo zostać szefem kancelarii Białego Domu to
jest osiągnięce - zapominają na moment, że znajdują
się wraz z pociechą w świetle jupiterów. Czy nikomu z
nas nie zdarzyło się, że rodzic postawił nas w
kłopotliwej sytuacji? Tutaj zjawisko zostało
spotęgowane przez rangę syna . Nie oceniam pobudek
Emanuela-seniora - powinien za nie sam
odpowiadać.Cieszę się natomiast z szybkiej reakcji
syna, który nie pozostawił cienia wątpliwości, że nie
będzie ulegał takim odszeptom. Proszę jednocześnie
tych, którzy przenoszą tu zachowanie Emanuela-ojca na
cały naród żydowski, aby się pohamowali i zastanowili,
czy jeden polski złodziej w Chicago lub Warszawie
oznacza, że Polacy są złodziejami generalnie, a jeden
polski gwałciciekl w W. Brytanii... itd. itp.).
Pamiętamy, że łatkę złodzieipróbowali nam swego czasu
przyczepić Niemcy (że niby Polacy to złodzieje
samochodów). Było to i niemiłe, i krzywdzące. Nie
popełniajmy tego samego błędu wobec innych nacji. W
stosunkach polsko-żydowskich sytuację komplikuje
jeszcze dodatkowa fałdka: potępiający Zydów Polacy,
którzy wynieśli z domu nieuświadomiony antysemityzm,
mogą nawet nie podejrzewać, że ktoś, wobec kogo żywią
najwyższy szacunek i kogo nigdy by za Zyda nie uznali,
może być w rzeczywistości synem narodu żydowskiego i
sam sobie z tego nie zdawać sprawy, bowiem jego
rodzice lub dziadkowie nie przyznawali się po wojniedo
żydostwa, przeżśywszy hekatombę, jaka wielu Polakom
się nawet nie śniła. Pamiętajmy: każdy z nas może mieć
korzenie, o których nic nie wiemy. Mam nadzieję, że
ten głos rozsądku pohamuje kolejne antysemickie
filipki.

[trombozuh]

Zupełnie nie rozumiem kolegów. Przecież napisałem, że Żydzi to fantastyczni
ludzie. Przecież nie krytykowałem Żydów! Nie wolno ich krytykować, nigdy i w
żadnym wypadku. Każdy kto krytykuje Żydów, jest na pewno podłym, uprzedzonym
antysemitą, wyciągającym fałszywe wnioski, który wyssał nieracjonalną nienawiść
wraz mlekiem matki (jak to powiedział jeden z Izraelskich premierów). I na pewno
miał rację. Bo Żydzi nie mogą nie mieć racji, a już na pewno nie Izraelski premier.

Żydostwo cholerne

[ptr0]

I kolejny prezydent USA będzie rządził kolonią Izraela.

To już teraz nawet Zydów będą karać za prawdę?

[eva15]

To już teraz nawet Zydów będą karać za prawdą i szczerość? Straszne
czasy idą, obłęd jakiś. A może koniec się zbliża - jak to się kiedyś
nazywało?

"Arab może myć podłogi w Białym Domu"? Szef kan...

[emeryt21]

Husajn Obama ???No to doczekalismy....Izrael jest najlepszym
sojusznikiem,bo trzyma za morde okolicznych Arabow.

f-u-c-k us-r-a-e-l!

[highalt]

USA to zydzi. zydzi rzadza poprzez usa. nie klaniaj sie usa.

Zionist version

[highalt]

Zionist version of Hitler-Jugend (Hitler's Youth).
Potrzebna ci tylko komurka.
askafreemason.com/

Come and Hear

[highalt]

Many American male babies are circumcised by medical procedure shortly after
birth. However, Orthodox Judaism prescribes circumcision as a religious ritual,
to be performed according to strict Talmudic laws. According to those laws, the
man who circumcises the infant, the mohel, must suck the infant's bleeding penis
with his mouth.

MISHNAH. WE PERFORM ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF CIRCUMCISION ON THE SABBATH. WE
CIRCUMCISE, UNCOVER [THE CORONA], SUCK [THE WOUND], AND PLACE A COMPRESS AND
CUMMIN UPON IT. IF ONE DID NOT CRUSH [THE CUMMIM] ON THE EVE OF THE SABBATH, HE
MUST CHEW [IT] WITH HIS TEETH AND APPLY [IT TO THE WOUND] …

GEMARA. … WE SUCK OUT, etc. R. Papa said: If a surgeon does not suck [the
WOUND], it is dangerous and he is dismissed. It is obvious? Since we desecrate
the Sabbath for it, it is dangerous? — You might say that this blood is stored
up, therefore he informs us that it is the result of a wound, and it is like a
bandage and cummin: just as when one does not apply a bandage and cummin there
is danger, so here too if one does not do it there is danger …

Mezizah (the practice of orally sucking the bleeding penis with the mouth) is
not outmoded or discarded. The photos below were published by the Jerusalem Post
Magazine.

Quotes About Jews By Jews

[highalt]

"The modern Jew is the product of the Talmud." - Michael Rodkinson, in preface
of Babylonian Talmud, page XI.

"The Talmud is to this day the circulating heart's blood of the Jewish religion.
Whatever laws, customs, or ceremonies we observe-whether we are Orthodox,
Conservative, Reform, or merely spasmodic sentimentalists-we follow the Talmud.
It is our common law." - Herman Wouk, This is My God.

"What is the basis of Judaism? A practical passion and greed for profit. To what
can we reduce his (the Jew's) religious worship? To extortion. What is his real
God? Cash!" - Karl Marx, founder of Communism, quoted in the British Guardian,
July-August, 1924.

"Jewish history has been tragic to the Jews and no less tragic to the
neighboring nations who have suffered them. Our major vice of old as of today is
parasitism. We are a people of vultures living on the labor and good fortune of
the rest of the world." - Samuel Roth, Jews Must Live, page 18.

"The world revolution which we will experience will be exclusively our affair
and will rest in our hands. This revolution will tighten the Jewish domination
over all other people." - Le Peuple Juif, February 8, 1919. "The governments of
the peoples included in this world republic, with the aid of the victorious
proletariat, all will fall without difficulty into Jewish hands. Private
property will then be strangled by the Jewish directors, who will administer the
state patrimony everywhere. Thus the promise of the Talmud will be fulfilled,
that is, the promise that the Jews, at the arrival of the Messiah, will possess
the key to the wealth of all the peoples of the earth." - Baruch Levy, in a
letter to Karl Marx, published in the Rothschild controlled La Revue de Paris,
June 1, 1928.

"Nations will gather together to bring their homage to the people of God; the
whole fortune of nations will pass into the hands of the Jewish people, they
will march behind the Jewish people, in chains as captives, and will prostrate
before it." - Isador Loeb, Le Probleme Juif.

"In everything, we are destroyers--even in the instruments of destruction to
which we turn for relief...We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the
destroyers for ever. Nothing that you will do will meet our needs and demands."
- Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles, pages 152, 155, and 147.

"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism (Communism) itself, in the fact that so
many Jews are Bolshevists, in the fact that the ideals of Bolshevism at many
points are consonant with the finest ideals of Judaism." - The Jewish Chronicle,
April 4, 1919.

"Jew and Gentile are two worlds, between you Gentiles and us Jews there lies an
unbridgeable gulf...There are two life forces in the world: Jewish and
Gentile...I do not believe that this primal difference between Gentile and Jew
is reconcilable..." - Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles, page 9.

"You cannot be English Jews. We are a race, and only as a race can we
perpetuate. Our mentality is of a Hebraic character, and differs from that of an
Englishman. Enough subterfuges! Let us assert openly that we are International
Jews." - Gerald Soman, Chairman of the World Jewry Fellowship, in its official
manifesto, January 1, 1935.

"Hitler was right in one thing. He calls the Jewish people a race, and we are a
race." - Rabbi Stephen Wise, N.Y. Herald-Tribune, June 13, 1938.

"Let us recognize that we Jews are a distinct nationality of which every Jew,
whatever his country, his station, or shade of belief, is necessarily a member."
- Louis Brandeis, U.S. Supreme Ct. Justice, Zionism, page 113.

"The English (or French or American, etc.) patriotism of the Jew is only a
fancy-dress which he puts on to please the people of the country." - The Jewish
World, December 8, 1911.

"The Jew is an inborn Communist." - Otto Weininger, Sex and Character, page 311.

"We Jews are going to bring war on Germany." - David Brown, President of
American Hebrew, in 1934, quoted in Edmonson's I Testify, page 188.

"The Second World War is being fought for the defense of the fundamentals of
Judaism." - The Chicago Jewish Sentinel, October 8, 1942.

"The Roosevelt Administration has selected more Jews to fill influential
positions than any previous administration." - Brooklyn Jewish Examiner, October
20, 1933.

"We Jews have spoiled the blood of all the races of Europe. Taken as a whole,
everything is Jewdified. Our ideas animate everything. Our spirit reigns over
the world. We are the Lords." - Dr. Kurt Munzer, The Way to Zion.

"Give me the power to issue and control the money of a nation and I care not who
makes the laws." - Anselm Rothschild.

"I have never discerned what there is about incest which is really repulsive. I
merely note that it is natural and frequent for sister and brother to be
lovers." - Leon Blum, Prime Minister of France, Du Mariage.

"The Jews have a disproportionate number of mental defectives, idiots, and
imbeciles." - Dr. Maurice Fishburg, Eugenic Factors in Jewish Life. "You are not
Whites--either symbolically or literally--as anyone knows who goes to Israel." -
Professor Leonard Fein at speech at 27th biennial congress of the Jewish Board
of Deputies in Johannesburg, May 15, 1972.

30 Facts About Israel

[highalt]

1. Did you know that non-Jewish Israelis cannot buy or lease land in Israel? A
Jew from any country in the world is guaranteed citizenship in Israel, while the
Palestinians who have been there for centuries are oppressed and persecuted.

2. Did you know that instead of sewing an insignia on clothing to distinguish
race (like the Germans did to the Jews before WW2), Palestinian license plates
in Israel are color coded to distinguish Jews from non-Jews?

3. Did you know that East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights
are all considered by the entire world community, including the United States
and the United Nations, to be occupied territory and NOT part of the State of
Israel?

4. Did you know that Israel allots 85% of the water resources for Jews, and the
remaining 15% is divided among all Palestinians in the territories? For example
in Hebron, 85% of the water is set aside for about 400 Jewish settlers, while
the remaining 15% is distributed among Hebron's 120, 000 Palestinians?

5. Did you know that the United States awards Israel $5 billion in aid each year
from American tax dollars?

6. Did you know that US aid to Israel ($3.0 billion annually) exceeds the aid
the US grants to the entire African continent? This aid is used both to buy
American weaponry and to buy arms made in Israel.

7. Did you know that Israel is awaiting an additional $4 billion worth of
American military hardware, including new F-16s and Apache and Blackhawk
helicopters. As Israel's main ally and supporter internationally, the United
States is committed to maintaining the Jewish state's 'qualitative edge' in
weapons over its neighbors.

8. Did you know that the U.S. administration has notified Congress on numerous
occasions that Israel has violated the rules on how US-supplied weapons are
used? (In 1978, 1979 and 1982 during fighting in Lebanon, and once after
Israel's bombing of an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981.)

9. Did you know that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses
to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections
from its sites?

10. Did you know that high-ranking military officers in the Israeli Defense
Forces have admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war have been summarily
executed by the Israeli forces?

11. Did you know that Israel blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt
and attacked a US warship in international waters (the USS Liberty), killing 33
and wounding 177 American sailors and the US did nothing about it?

12. Did you know that Israel stands in defiance of 69 United Nations Security
Council Resolutions?

13. Did you know that Israel is explicitly dedicated to the policy of
maintaining a distinct Jewish character?

14. Did you know that Israel's current Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, was found
by an Israeli court to be 'personally and directly responsible' for the Sabra
and Shatilla massacre in Lebanon where more than a thousand innocent Palestinian
men, women, and children were axed to death or lined up and shot in cold blood?

15. Did you know that on May 20, 1990, a group of unarmed Palestinian laborers
were lined up and murdered by an Israeli solider as they sat waiting for
transportation back to Gaza? The terrified laborers who gathered in an area of
southern Israel known as Rishon Lezion (known to Palestinians by its Arabic name
Oyon Qara) handed their ID cards to the Israeli soldier. The soldiers ordered
the distressed laborers to kneel down and face the ground and unexpectedly
showered them with a barrage of bullets, killing seven and wounding many others.
Needless to say, the soldier was not charged with any crime.

16. Did you know that until as recently as 1988, Israelis were permitted to run
'Jews Only' job ads?

17. Did you know that the Israeli Foreign Ministry pays six US public relations
firms to promote a 'positive image' of Israel to the American public?

18. Did you know that Sharon's coalition government includes a
party--Molodet--which advocates ethnic cleansing by openly calling for the
forced expulsion of all Palestinians from the occupied territories?

19. Did you know that recently-declassified documents indicate that David
Ben-Gurion approved of the forced expulsion of Arabs from all Palestininan
territory in 1948?

20. Did you know that the former chief rabbi of Israel, Rabbi Ovadia Yossef, who
is also a founder and spiritual leader of the religious Shas party (Israel's
third largest political party) openly advocates a 'Final Solution' to annihilate
the Palestinians? Speaking at the widely broadcast sermon marking the last
Passover, he declared of the Palestinians: 'The Lord shall return their deeds on
their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and
vanish them from this world. It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must
send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable.'

21. Did you know that Palestinian refugees make up the largest portion of the
refugee population in the world?

22. Did you know that Palestinian Christians are considered the 'living stones'
of Christianity because they are the direct descendants of the disciples of
Jesus Christ? And the Palestinian Christians stand united with their Muslim
brethren in the struggle against the Israeli occupation.

23. Did you know that despite a ban on torture by Israel's High Court of
Justice, torture has continued unabated by Shin Bet interrogators on Palestinian
prisoners?

24. Did you know that despite every Israeli attempt to disrupt Palestinian
education, Palestinians have the highest ratio of PhDs per capita in the world?

25. Did you know that the right of self-determination is guaranteed to every
human being under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [December, 1948],
yet Palestinians were/are expected to negotiate for this right under the Oslo
Accords?

26. Did you know that despite what is widely perpetuated and written in the
history books that the Arabs attacked Israel in the 1967 war, it was Israel who
attacked the Arab countries first, capturing Jerusalem and the West Bank, and
called the attack a pre-emptive strike?

27. Did you know that, as an occupying power, Israel has a particular
responsibility under the Geneva Conventions to protect Palestinian civilians?

28. Did you know that, despite Ariel Sharon's public call for a unilateral
ceasefire, Israeli soldiers have not stopped shooting, killing or bulldozing
Palestinian homes? The most recent example of this is the murder of three
innocent women who were shot by an Israeli tank as they sat in their tent!

29. Did you know that the Zionists have been trying to destroy Masjid al-Aqsa
and the Dome of the Rock for the last 50 years by digging underground tunnels
beneath the sites to weaken its foundation causing it to collapse?

30. Nelson Mandela called the Israeli government an apartheid regime, just like
South Africa used to be.

The Professor of Torture

[highalt]

Dershowitz for the Defense--of Waterboarding


Alan Dershowitz is a crafty debater, a capable attorney and a ferocious defender
of Israel. He is also a Harvard professor and a former member of OJ Simpson's
legal defense called the Dream Team.

An article by Dershowitz appeared on op-ed page of the Wall Street Journal on
November 7, 2007, titled "Democrats and Waterboarding". In that article
Dershowitz makes a spirited defense of waterboarding, going so far as to say
that (he believes) the Democrats "will lose the presidential race if it defines
itself as soft on terror." Dershowitz thinks the Democrats are headed for
trouble if they assume the "pacifistic stance" that he identifies with Cindy
Sheehan and Michael Moore. By using Moore and Sheehan as examples; it is clear
that Dershowitz accepts the media's attempts to dismiss them as part of an
imaginary "leftist fringe".

Instead, Dershowitz holds up ex-New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani as an example of
a candidate whose popularity has steadily grown because of his "tough" stance on
national security issues. Dershowitz uses the "national security" hobgoblin in
the same way as Bush; to justify government activities that conflict with our
existing laws and basic principles. It is a neat bit of lawyerly footwork, but
unconvincing.

In Dershowitz's defense, it is true that he does not approve of "the routine use
of torture", but only in the rare situation when it might be useful in gaining "
preventive intelligence information about imminent acts of terrorism--the
so-called "ticking bomb" scenario." But, who decides? Do we bestow this
authority on men who have already proven to be untrustworthy---on men who have
already created an industrial scale system of torture in black sites around the
world? Who do we trust with these new powers?

And how do we know when a so-called "terrorist suspect" is a terrorist at all?
Are we being asked to forgo due process and the presumption of innocence along
with our revulsion to cruel and inhuman treatment?

Dershowitz's loves to use the "ticking time-bomb" scenario and trots it out at
every opportunity. It is a very persuasive argument, until one really examines
the implications. Jose Padilla was supposedly a "ticking time-bomb", wasn't he?
According to the earliest public statements by the Bush administration, Padilla
had smuggled a nuclear device or "dirty bomb" into the country and was planning
to use it in a terrorist attack against American civilians. But it wasn't true.
The government had fabricated the entire story and kept him in prison without
charges for over 4 years on claims that were manifestly false. The Bush
administration has never offered an explanation for their lies.

Padilla's attorney has produced convincing evidence that he was repeatedly
tortured in prison and was, thus, driven insane. And for what? The government
knew that he was not involved in a terrorist plot to kill Americans. Under
Dershowitz's regime, Padilla's treatment would be entirely justified. Is that
what we want?

The "ticking time-bomb" argument is a way of challenging our core values. It's a
test. It's like asking, "How much are we really willing to sacrifice for the
sake of our beliefs? Are we willing to risk our lives and the lives of the
people we love ?" Or are we ready to "throw in the towel" and hand the
government even greater and more lethal powers hoping that they'll keep us safe?

In Dershowitz's book, "Shouting Fire: Civil Liberties in a Turbulent Age," he says:

"No torture would be permitted without a "torture warrant" being issued by a
judge....An application for a torture warrant would have to be based on the
absolute need to obtain immediate information in order to save lives coupled
with probable cause that the suspect had such information and is unwilling to
reveal it....The warrant would limit the torture to nonlethal means, such as
sterile needles, being inserted beneath the nails to cause excruciating pain
without endangering life."

It's shocking that a respected author and attorney would actually qualify the
type of needles ("sterile") that can be used while conducting torture. Can we
see how outrageous this is?

The excerpt proves that Dershowitz advocates torture. The support for "torture
warrants" is support torture. Period. It doesn't matter if the torture is
limited to extreme cases or not. It's barbarism. More importantly, it is
barbarism that is vindicated by the state.

Dershowitz has been defending his position on torture for more than 4 years.
Here are his comments in 2002 from the op-ed page of the SF Chronicle :

"If American law enforcement officers were ever to confront the law school
hypothetical case of the captured terrorist who knew about an imminent attack
but refused to provide the information necessary to prevent it, I have
absolutely no doubt that they would try to torture the terrorists into providing
the information.

Moreover, the vast majority of Americans would expect the officers to engage
in that time-tested technique for loosening tongues, notwithstanding our
unequivocal treaty obligation never to employ torture, no matter how exigent the
circumstances."

("Want to Torture; Get a Warrant", SF Chronicle 2002)

Dershowitz is mistaken. According to every survey conducted in the last 5 years,
the majority of American people are overwhelming opposed to torture and-I dare
say---they are equally opposed to cops who take the law into their own hands and
"engage in that time-tested technique for loosening tongues." What Dershowitz is
suggesting here is deadly serious and paves the way for routine abuses of power
and police brutality. It is a wonder that the Bar hasn't stepped in and
chastised him for his public stance on this issue.

Dershowitz's logic is also flawed. His argument can be reduced to this: "The
cops are going to torture anyway, so let's give them the green light by
providing them with "torture warrants"? Isn't that what he is saying?

This is from the same article:

"Every democracy, including our own, has employed torture outside of the
law....Throughout the years, police officers have tortured murder and rape
suspects into confessing