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"SPAM" and "THROLL"; West European definitions :)

10.02.06, 12:37
SPAM; is everything that Western European or Anglo-Saxon person doesn't want
to hear about, namely; the point of view of people who inhabit all lands east
of Germany. Eastern Europeans who flatter those from West and believe blindly
in everything that Western European person says, are not spamers.


THROLL; is an Eastern European who (as defined by Jacque Chirac) "misses his
chance to be quiet". The person that questions and challanges Anglo-Saxon
idea of the World...is an idiot and spamer.


That was of course ment to be sarcastic, but I'm not mistaken in noticing how
Westerners dislike Poles who dare to question western way of reasoning. I
think they are in for a major disapointment.

I'm not at all impressed by just any remarks made by a conceited Westerners.
I ask you all to exercise more humility, and learn that east of Oder river
there's inteligent humans who you can no longer underestimate.
Obserwuj wątek
    • nasza_maggie net terminology (both languages, official version) 10.02.06, 16:35
      Sorry to dissapoint you Waldku, but it seems the definitions you present on the
      words Spam and Troll - do not exist.
      So, mmmm, did you make them up?


      ----
      Troll (not throll)

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
      In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive
      messages on the Internet, such as on online discussion forums, to disrupt
      discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message
      itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly
      used to describe the activity.

      For many people, the characterising feature of trolling is the perception of
      intent to disrupt a community in some way. Inflammatory, sarcastic, disruptive
      or humorous content is posted, meant to draw other users into engaging the
      troll in a fruitless confrontation. The greater the reaction from the community
      the more likely the user is to troll again, as the person develops beliefs that
      certain actions achieve his/her goal to cause chaos. This gives rise to the
      often repeated protocol in Internet culture: "Do not feed the trolls".

      Often, a person will post a sincere message about which he is emotionally
      sensitive. Skillful trolls know that an easy way to upset him is to
      disingenuously claim that he is a "troll". On other occasions, a person may not
      instantly understand, or fit into the social norms of a forum where most users
      have similar characteristics. As a result, his acting just slightly out of the
      norm (often unintentionally, and for legitimate reasons) garners him the
      label "troll". It can sometimes be difficult to distinguish between a user who
      is merely unfamiliar with the social protocols of a forum, and a user who is
      intentionally trolling; unfortunately, many users react aggressively on a first
      impression to a perceived troll, which sometimes leads disgruntled newbies to
      become trolls.

      Prison time for trolling?
      On January 5, 2006, United States president George W. Bush signed into law the
      Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act[4], which,
      among other things, places a prohibition on using the Internet to transmit,
      solicit, or create anonymous messages containing obscenity intended to "annoy,
      abuse, threaten, or harass" another person.[5] Criminal penalties include large
      fines and up to two years in prison. Concern has been raised as to the
      Constitutional legality of the law, as critics allege that it infringes upon
      the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which guarantees every
      U.S. citizen the right to free speech. This does not necessarily affect all
      trolls; however, it makes illegal the common trolling tactic of posting links
      to shock sites containing obscene material.

      pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolling
      Trolling to wysyłanie wrogich, obraźliwych lub kontrowersyjnych wiadomości na
      jedno z publicznych "miejsc" w Internecie (grupy i listy dyskusyjne, fora
      internetowe, czaty itp.) w celu wzniecenia kłótni. Często też podaje linki do
      stron z obrzydliwą zawartością, najczęściej tak zamaskowane, że niczego
      nieświadomy użytkownik widzi nagle zdjęcia zmasakrowanych zwłok,
      wypróżniających się ludzi, itd. Zobacz goatse.cx. Inną metodą trollingu jest
      podawanie linków do screamerów bez ostrzeżenia.

      Trolling jest złamaniem jednej z podstawowych zasad netykiety.

      Zachowanie trolla
      Troll rozpoczyna dyskusję przede wszystkim po to, aby wywołać zamieszanie,
      wyładować w niej swoje negatywne emocje, oraz aby poczuć się ważnym i
      zauważonym. Rzadziej spotykanym powodem jest chęć popisania się elokwencją i
      sztuką erystyki.

      Troll zwykle reaguje wrogo zarówno na próby uspokojenia dyskusji, jak i
      agresywne reagowanie na jego zaczepki, zaś merytoryczna zawartość dyskusji ma
      dla niego znaczenie tylko o tyle, o ile rozpala w dyskutantach negatywne emocje
      i przyczynia się do kontynuowania sporu. Sprawia to zazwyczaj takie wrażenie,
      jakby troll "sycił" się nimi. Najczęściej im więcej osób wpadnie w jego sidła i
      odpowie na jego post, tym bardziej wydaje się zadowolony. Znużenie dyskutantów
      objawiające się kończeniem dyskusji (patrz: EOT) lub też wrzuceniem go do
      killfile'a interpretuje jako odniesienie zwycięstwa.------


      SPAM
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_%28electronic%29
      Spamming is the abuse of any electronic communications medium to send
      unsolicited messages in bulk. While its definition usually extends to the
      sending of any unsolicited bulk electronic communication, some exclude from the
      definition of the term "spam" messages considered by the receiver (or even just
      the sender) to be targeted, non-commercial, or wanted. In the popular eye, the
      most common form of spam is that delivered in e-mail as a form of commercial
      advertising. However, over the short history of electronic media, people have
      spammed for many purposes other than the commercial, and in many media other
      than e-mail. Spammers have developed a variety of spamming techniques, which
      vary by media: e-mail spam, instant messaging spam, Usenet newsgroup spam, Web
      search engines spam, weblogs spam, and mobile phone messaging spam.

      pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam
      Spam to elektroniczne wiadomości rozsyłane do osób, które ich nie oczekują.
      Najbardziej rozpowszechniony jest spam za pośrednictwem poczty elektronicznej
      oraz w Usenecie. Zwykle (choć nie zawsze) jest wysyłany masowo.

      Istotą spamu jest rozsyłanie dużej liczby informacji komercyjnych o jednakowej
      treści do nieznanych sobie osób. Nie ma znaczenia jaka jest treść tych
      wiadomości. By wiadomość określić mianem spamu musi ona spełnić trzy
      następujące warunki jednocześnie:

      treść wiadomości jest niezależna od tożsamości odbiorcy;
      odbiorca nie wyraził uprzedniej, zamierzonej zgody na otrzymanie tej
      wiadomości;
      treść wiadomości daje podstawę do przypuszczeń, iż nadawca wskutek jej wysłania
      może odnieść zyski nieproporcjonalne w stosunku do korzyści odbiorcy.




      NETYKIETA
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette
      forum.gazeta.pl/forum/1904849,62605,1617503.html
      Netykieta

      Netykieta to zbiór zasad savoir-vivre obowiązujących w dyskusjach w Internecie
      a więc i na Forum Gazeta.pl.

      Jak pisać:

      Pisz zwięźle i na temat.
      Zanim założysz wątek sprawdź, czy temat już nie był omawiany. Użyj
      wyszukiwarki.
      Postaraj się, by tytuł wątku, który zakładasz był czytelny i zrozumiały.
      Odpowiadając na post, cytuj tylko potrzebne fragmenty, a resztę wycinaj. Nigdy
      nie cytuj sygnaturek (podpisów)!
      Jeśli zadajesz komuś pytanie, sformułuj je precyzyjnie.

      Czego unikać:

      Nie przeklinaj.
      Nie obrażaj i nie atakuj personalnie swoich rozmówców.
      Nie podszywaj się pod innych.
      Nie publikuj ogłoszeń ani reklam! Do ich publikacji służą serwisy ogłoszeniowe
      lub wyznaczone fora.
      Nie spamuj - nie zamieszczaj tej samej informacji w wielu miejscach.
      Nie publikuj wątków niezgodnych z tematyką danego forum.
      Nie wklejaj całych cudzych wypowiedzi lub artykułów - wystarczy je omówić lub
      podać link z odpowiednim komentarzem.
      Nie pisz WIELKIMI literami - w Internecie oznacza to, że krzyczysz. Nie
      nadużywaj także wykrzykników. Jeśli chcesz wyróżnić jakieś słowo lub zdanie,
      możesz użyć *gwiazdek* lub _podkreślenia_

      Poza tym:

      Ignoruj trolle - użytkowników, których jedynym celem jest dokuczanie i
      krytykowanie. Twoje odpowiedzi na ich posty tylko ich zachęcą do dalszej
      działalności. Wystarczy, że zgłosisz ich działalność administracji.
      Uważaj z humorem i ironią! Mogą
      • nasza_maggie part II 10.02.06, 16:36
        Poza tym:

        Ignoruj trolle - użytkowników, których jedynym celem jest dokuczanie i
        krytykowanie. Twoje odpowiedzi na ich posty tylko ich zachęcą do dalszej
        działalności. Wystarczy, że zgłosisz ich działalność administracji.
        Uważaj z humorem i ironią! Mogą być niezrozumiałe albo obraźliwe. Możesz
        używać "smileyów", czyli symboli oznaczających uczucia. Odczytuj je
        przechylając głowę w lewo - uśmiech możesz przekazać jako smile a "z
        przymrużeniem oka" jako wink
        Jeśli dyskusja przerodzi się w prywatną pogawędkę, kontynuuj ją poza forum.
        Twoja sygnaturka (podpis), powinna mieć co najwyżej cztery linie. Może
        zawierać np. imię i nazwisko lub pseudonim, adres e-mail, link do strony,
        ulubiony cytat.
        Do testów i innych ćwiczeń z klawiatura służy wyłącznie forum testowe.
        Jeśli chcesz zwrócić komuś uwagę, zrób to kulturalnie, najlepiej na adres
        prywatny. Staraj się doradzać innym, a nie wyśmiewać ich - każdy był kiedyś
        początkujący!

        Zgodnie z Regulaminem Forum wypowiedzi naruszające Netykietę mogą być usuwane.

        *********************

        It's really V E R Y simple smile Just bother to read it.
      • waldek1610 labeling others ideas a garbage (spam) is never OK 11.02.06, 07:39
        Maggie,
        People who do not accept opinions of others and right for their expression tend
        to label those people "spammers or trolls". Therefore words "spamer"
        and "troll" is used for propaganda and to criminalise those that do not agree
        to fit in the idea of the World created by one group to subjcate the other.


        As today in the past subjective labeling was a comonplace;

        According to Nazi Germany propaganda machine in 1939-40, Third Reich military
        didn't fight Polish Army in occupied teritories..but simply Polish criminals or
        bandits...

        According to British Imperial Authorities and British newspapers of the time,
        Britsh Imperial Army was not fighting American Revolutionary Army but simply a
        groups of criminals (again)


        Spam is unsolicited material of a commerical form, advertising of merchendise
        and services. Ideas voiced by others is never as spam. Therefore when I say
        that Westerners are conceited and snubby it is the fact how most Eastern
        Europeans perceive them. I have to right to call Anglo-Saxons arrogant, and it
        is not spam. Spam would be only then, if I was trying to sell you watches or
        other unsolicited goods. Voicing onces ideas is never a spam.

        You live in the world that was created by people of your type (liberals,euro-
        socialists, and feminists and anti-nationalists), it suites you, therefore you
        want to preseve your cozy world by getting rid of those that want to rebuild
        the word so it includes them as well, and not giving preference to people like
        you. And there's no better way to get rid of them then to call others
        ideas....a garbage (spam), right Maggie?

        Perheaps you would call TV Trwam and Radio Maryja a trolls and their ideas as
        spam? Sure perheaps according to you they have to right to exist because they
        don't love gays, socialist, feminists, and other disfunctional groups.
            • bluteau Re: labeling others ideas a garbage (spam) is nev 11.02.06, 12:33
              WRONG.

              Sorry but all you've done is label everyone who disagrees with you an arrogant
              anglo-saxon or Western European or you say they're "ignorant of all things Polish".

              You do nothing but provoke.

              Most people here ignore your taunting questions not because they have something
              to hide, as you like to repeat, but because there's no point. Not once have you
              gotten into a discussion with anyone on this forum (mainly out of your own
              fault); you are simply trying to dictate your "opinions" and if someone opposes
              you, they're attacked by you and labelled ignorant, arrogant, feminist,
              homosexual, and lets not forget your favourite, anglo-saxon. You don't even have
              the decency to check up on who your labelling.
                • bluteau Re: labeling others ideas a garbage (spam) is nev 11.02.06, 14:49
                  But that just simply isn't true.

                  First of all, you're not trying to "open our eyes" - your ramming your very
                  subjective opinions down our throats.

                  Secondly, you're not showing us anything from the perspective of other people.
                  Your dictating your, and only your, perspective.

                  In addition, no one asked you to "open our eyes" - you've been requested many
                  times to stop with your provocations (and no, not only by me).

                  Lastly, how can you possibly try to show people the World (or rather your very
                  narrow perception of it) through another prism when you deny others the right to
                  contradict you, and when you repeatedly put everyone into the same basket,
                  assuming all of us here (apart from you) have the exact same perspective,
                  calling us ignorant, arrogant, etc?
                  • waldek1610 Re: labeling others ideas a garbage (spam) is nev 12.02.06, 06:54
                    Actually, I believe it is quite the opposite. I feel as if I was trying to
                    convince you in vain, that it is wise to wear winter gear when in Tatra
                    Mountains during winter....Therefore something that is common-sense.
                    Instead you parade the snowy slopes of Zakopane in the beach etire and your
                    fans on your feet.

                    When we discuss things concerning Poland and Polish ways don't question me,
                    because I would not dare to teach Hindu person about Ganges river...so if we
                    discuss Poland, all you have to do is just open your ears and learn!
                    • bluteau Re: labeling others ideas a garbage (spam) is nev 12.02.06, 09:40
                      Exactly, your trying, by force, to convince. If your views were based on
                      common-sense as you say, we'd have no choice but to agree with you.

                      The fact that someone was born in Poland does not make them an expert on all
                      things Polish. Please explain to me how it is that you're the only Polish person
                      I've encountered that thinks the way you do? And don't give me any s*** that
                      it's because they've all been morally, culturally and socially corrupted by the
                      West. As far as I'm concerned I can say just as much about Poland as you can,
                      and not because I pay taxes, but because I've lived here for almost 12 years,
                      I'm married to a Pole and maintain close daily contact with his family (none of
                      his relatives speak English and only one of them has ever been to the West), I'm
                      raising my kids in this country sending them to Polish public schools, I make
                      use of Polish public medical services, I watch Polish television, read Polish
                      newspapers and books, study at a Polish university, run my own small business in
                      Poland, meet and speak in Polish with Poles every day (I have no foreign friends
                      here) and I'm a Polish citizen. There's no doubt that I cannot compete with you
                      in Polish history, but I'll take the Pepsi challenge any day of the week with
                      you concerning current Polish realities.

                      Just learn to accept Waldek that you are NOT a spokesperson for the Polish
                      nation or for all things Polish, you represent your, and only your, opinions.
                      You have yet to teach us anything - when you do, I'll let you know.
                      • waldek1610 Re: labeling others ideas a garbage (spam) is nev 12.02.06, 10:53
                        bluteau napisała:

                        > Please explain to me how it is that you're the only Polish person
                        > I've encountered that thinks the way you do?

                        I'm one of the few Poles who bother to visit "Foreigners living in Poland"
                        forum, which is the reason why discussions on this forum are dominated by Anglo-
                        Saxon one-sided vision of the World and Poland. If there was more native Poles
                        on this forum I would not waste my time repeating others....

                        Most Poles, as you later yourself admited, simply can not speak english well
                        enough to participate in our discussions on this forum...

                        > I'm married to a Pole and maintain close daily contact with his family (none
                        of his relatives speak English

                        And that's exactly the reason why you don't see many other Poles here, even
                        those Poles living in Poland that speak english.....don't come here because
                        they are busy making living and taking advantage of their english language
                        skills and simply making living. Others are simply minding their own bussiness
                        and do not care about the issues, because they worry more about "co do gara
                        wlozyc".....I'm sure you know what I mean.



                        • bluteau Re: labeling others ideas a garbage (spam) is nev 12.02.06, 11:31
                          Your post seems to imply that my only source of contact with other people is
                          through this forum. I do not rely on "Foreigners Living in Poland" as my source
                          of contact with Poles. I prefer to deal with people face to face. Besides, as
                          the title implies, this forum is obviously meant for foreigners and not Poles
                          (though they are very welcom here). On the other hand, I can say that there are
                          more Poles visiting and contributing to this forum than you think. I'd also like
                          to add that apart from a small minority (including Dave and Russh), there are no
                          participants here that you could refer to as "anglo-saxons" (which in itself is
                          a bizarre term to be using).

                          I clearly pointed out that I meet with and talk to Polish people every day. I
                          will add that this is in my job, at the university, in the street, in shops, in
                          government offices, with my Polish friends, etc. I don't only socialise with
                          Poles who cannot speak other languages or who only worry about how to fill their
                          bellies. My husband's other family members do not speak English, I didn't say
                          they don't speak any foreign languages. And don't put words in my mouth! Never
                          did I say that "most Poles simply cannot speak English well". I don't recall
                          even implying that. As a matter of fact, I frequently meet with Polish people,
                          in Poland, who seem to have a better command of English than you do, despite the
                          fact you've been living in an English-speaking country for many years.
                          • waldek1610 Re: labeling others ideas a garbage (spam) is nev 12.02.06, 13:29
                            bluteau napisała:

                            > As a matter of fact, I frequently meet with Polish people,
                            > in Poland, who seem to have a better command of English than you do, despite
                            > the fact you've been living in an English-speaking country for many years.

                            It is somehow hard for me to believe in, when I meet a commander of Polish
                            Platoon at the NATO excercise, who claims he doesn't need interpretor, while
                            all he can produce is about 5 words per minute while communicating with his
                            American counterpart. It is really emberasing to see the Colonel of Polish army
                            do that, it reminded me milking the cow in slow motion....
                        • waldek1610 Facts, differ depending who you ask...... 12.02.06, 11:11
                          ...And Anglo-Saxons such as you all, are entitled to your set of "Facts" se we
                          had a chance to find out.

                          I can give you long list of lies that are presented as "Facts" everywhere you
                          look in UK, USA or Western European media, history books and the mindset of
                          those people in general.

                          We all know those "facts" as Columbus "discovery" of American continent, or
                          British inteligence allegadly "braking" German Nazi coding machine...10 years
                          after Poles...as it was possible to discover a continent second time, or breake
                          Enigma code when someone else already have done it...
                            • waldek1610 Re: Facts, differ depending who you ask...... 12.02.06, 12:23
                              If you're not and ango-saxon plese make sure to present your association
                              clearly next time, instead trying to play both ways. See... you are trying to
                              pretend to be a Westerner or a Pole whenever one option suites you better at
                              the time.

                              I know it is difficult to stand firmly by your convictions, as I had a chance
                              to find out, people don't like folks like me who are ready do defend their
                              position.
                              • bluteau Re: Facts, differ depending who you ask...... 12.02.06, 12:40
                                I'm equally prepared to defend my position. My convictions haven't faltered,
                                don't you worry.

                                So what you're implying now is that the whole Western World is anglo-saxon,
                                right? Automatically, if someone is a Westerner, they're an anglo-saxon? It must
                                me excruciating for you to live in the most influential (unfortunately) Western
                                country in the World. Gosh Waldek, you're just surrounded by anglo-saxons (or do
                                you never leave the Polish community in Chicago?).

                                I believe it's possible to identify with 2 nations, and 2 cultures. If I feel
                                Polish and Quebecois at the same time, I think it's a beautiful thing, and it's
                                my right.

                                And I don't see why I should be making anything clearer to you about my
                                background since you're unwilling to do that yourself.
                                • waldek1610 Re: Facts, differ depending who you ask...... 12.02.06, 12:54
                                  I am an American citizen, although I feel I am a Pole regardless how long I
                                  lived in US. I've made it clear many times before, I have no problem living in
                                  Anglo-Saxon country because I see many common ideals such as freedom and
                                  libelitarian ideals (not to be confused with liberal) that connect Polish and
                                  American nations.

                                  Still, as far as Poland is concerned, I prefered that Anglo-Saxon rules and
                                  interest were not imposed or forced upon Poles and Poland.

                                  You have said you feel equally Polish and Quebecois, but considering the
                                  secessionist movements in French Quebec, which option do you choose?
                                  Independence or preserving ties with Canada?
                                  • usenetposts Re: Facts, differ depending who you ask...... 12.02.06, 13:02
                                    waldek1610 napisał:

                                    > I am an American citizen, although I feel I am a Pole regardless how long I
                                    > lived in US. I've made it clear many times before, I have no problem living
                                    in
                                    > Anglo-Saxon country because I see many common ideals such as freedom and
                                    > libelitarian ideals (not to be confused with liberal) that connect Polish and
                                    > American nations.
                                    >
                                    > Still, as far as Poland is concerned, I prefered that Anglo-Saxon rules and
                                    > interest were not imposed or forced upon Poles and Poland.

                                    Your people should have thought of that before selling out your autonomy
                                    birthright for a mess of grants and squandering your resistance for a pocket
                                    full of mumbles such as structural funding promises.
                                      • usenetposts Re: Facts, differ depending who you ask...... 12.02.06, 13:56
                                        waldek1610 napisał:

                                        > Fortunatelly Poland is one of the 25 countries that selled out themesleves to
                                        > other 24...
                                        >
                                        > Which seems to make a perfect oportunity for Poles to wrestle some of the
                                        > wealth from British, and other western European states.

                                        No doubt, but never forget "he who pays the piper, calls the tune".

                                        Since you have taken our money, this will not be like any of the occupations in
                                        your history which you managed to resist. This time you signed on the dotted
                                        line of your own free will.

                                        If you had to repay debts made under communism, how much more will you have to
                                        obligate undertakings made under capitalism?
                          • usenetposts Re: Facts, differ depending who you ask...... 12.02.06, 13:50
                            waldek1610 napisał:

                            > ...And Anglo-Saxons such as you all, are entitled to your set of "Facts" se
                            we
                            > had a chance to find out.
                            >
                            > I can give you long list of lies that are presented as "Facts" everywhere you
                            > look in UK, USA or Western European media, history books and the mindset of
                            > those people in general.
                            >
                            > We all know those "facts" as Columbus "discovery" of American continent,

                            This is scarcely something we would need in the Anglo Saxon world to get so
                            patriotic about - it is the catholic world which adores Columbus, as
                            illustrated by this shot I took through the back window of a taxi in Madrid on
                            Thursday this last week, showing the pride of place old Colon's statue has in
                            that fine city.

                            www.usenetposts.com/colondash.JPG
                            In addition, Columbus didn't discover America, he discovered the Dominican
                            Republic - this next shot:

                            www.usenetposts.com/daveyalcazar.JPG
                            ..shows me in Columbus's house in San Domingo.

                            If you would like to know which was the first European to discover America, it
                            was the Viking (more anglo saxon related than Columbus, incidentally) Leaf
                            Earacheson (Norse spelling Leif Eiriksson) was broadly reckoned to do so,
                            however one Scandywegian here:

                            www.vulkaner.no/t/isl2004/leif.html
                            ..claims otherwise.

                            > or
                            > British inteligence allegadly "braking" German Nazi coding machine...10 years
                            > after Poles...as it was possible to discover a continent second time, or
                            breake
                            >
                            > Enigma code when someone else already have done it...

                            Well, I expect that there are some Poles who are still breaking the COBOL code
                            ten years after everyone else had done with it too, so what you gain on the
                            swings you lose on the roundabouts.
                            • waldek1610 Re: Facts, differ depending who you ask...... 13.02.06, 06:32
                              Dave,
                              If they had a courses designed to teach British to stop talking trash.....I'm
                              sure you would fail it, with every attempt.

                              There is an adage ;"If you tie down Spaniards hands, he will stop talking",
                              similarly you one can say about British; "If you going to ask a Brit a
                              straightfoward question you can expect everything but streightforward
                              answer"..."not even that, instead of the answer you can expect a rude coment
                              or...a some silly question instead"

                              Dave, do you like going to restaurants and getting something that you didn't
                              ordered, or your order being mixed up? I'm sure you don't, but I do hope that
                              if that happened to you few times it would teach you a valuable lesson once and
                              for all.
                              • usenetposts Re: Facts, differ depending who you ask...... 14.02.06, 01:43
                                waldek1610 napisał:

                                > Dave,
                                > If they had a courses designed to teach British to stop talking trash.....I'm
                                > sure you would fail it, with every attempt.
                                >
                                > There is an adage ;"If you tie down Spaniards hands, he will stop talking",
                                > similarly you one can say about British; "If you going to ask a Brit a
                                > straightfoward question you can expect everything but streightforward
                                > answer"..."not even that, instead of the answer you can expect a rude coment
                                > or...a some silly question instead"
                                >
                                > Dave, do you like going to restaurants and getting something that you didn't
                                > ordered, or your order being mixed up? I'm sure you don't, but I do hope that
                                > if that happened to you few times it would teach you a valuable lesson once
                                and
                                >
                                > for all.

                                You forget I live in this country.
                                  • waldek1610 Re: Facts, differ depending who you ask...... 15.02.06, 00:00
                                    nasza_maggie napisała:

                                    > Yes Dave BUT that is NOT enough!!!! smile))))))))

                                    For once Maggie is right. Yes, just being phisically in Poland doesn't make you
                                    polish, you need to aquire polish characteristics.

                                    I don't perceive you being patriotic Pole in a nearest future, so perheaps you
                                    should start growing a mustache or buying a portrait of John Paul II...
                                    • russh Re: Facts, differ depending who you ask...... 15.02.06, 00:35
                                      Yes, just being phisically in Poland doesn't make you
                                      >
                                      > polish

                                      Who wants to be?

                                      > I don't perceive you being patriotic Pole in a nearest future, so perheaps you
                                      > should start growing a mustache or buying a portrait of John Paul II.

                                      You mean like you and all of the other over 50s in Poland. Your mentality
                                      belongs to the communist times, no wonder you left when they got kicked out. You
                                      hadn't the balls to face Poland new era.
                                      • waldek1610 Re: Facts, differ depending who you ask...... 15.02.06, 00:42
                                        Your so confused Russh. I'm 32 years old, and I was only 16 when communist were
                                        ousted, and to clearify polish politics for you, you sould remember few facts.

                                        First its the liberals and socialists that are the heirs of PRL-polish
                                        communists. And its new Polish president Lech Kaczynski and Polish Catholics
                                        that are most anti-communist and want socialists out of Poland.

                                        Maggie for example belong to the post-communist leftist nomenclature which is
                                        the very reason why she had money to attend schools in England.
    • nasza_maggie round in circles as usual...... 12.02.06, 15:34
      Waldek
      All you've done is try to shove down other peoples throats your definitions -
      which don't exist.

      They don't exist anywhere. And as always it's quite frankly sad, how you try to
      be the spokesperson for all Poles, solely from what you hear on Radio Maryja,
      which is not a representative radio. And it is not the only Catholic media that
      there is in Poland.

      Anyway, so many people, including Poles have tried to explain to you, that it's
      not what you write, but your attitude that is simply having the opposite effect
      to what you would like it to have.


      Lost cause.

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