Poddał się ważny przywódca czeczeński

[terra0]

Cos jakies niepowodzenia u "wyzwolencow czeczenskich". Teraz trzeba poczekac
jak podda sie Maschadow... i pozniej nawet GW nie bedzie za kogo wstawiac
sie...

[Gość: Konopielka]

No jeszcze maja Basajewa! starczy na pare linijek!A znajac fantazje pana
redaktora spec. ds. czeczeni, to moze i na wiecej !!

Wiecej glupoty czy podlosci ?

[Gość: Janek]

Jestes kompletnym ignorantem ,albo czlowiekiem zlej woli. Nie chcesz
wiedziec ,co Rosjanie "wyprawiaja" z ludnoscia czeczenska.
Wrzucanie niemowlat do wrzatku na oczach matki to jeden z punktow
ich "repertuaru". Przydalyby Ci sie "wczasy" w "filtrze" .( pewnie nie wiesz
nawet co to jest).

[Gość: Konopielka]

twoja prawda ! moja prawda! i g. prawda! Obronco praw czlowieka, Ty nie lubisz
Ruskich , a ja fanatykow religijnych !! tak juz jest!

[Gość: lechoo]

a Tobie odwiedziny u ktoregos z czeczencow w charakterze branca. ciekawe czy bys
wrocil z glowa

[terra0]

Jeszcze chyba zglodniali rosjanie zjadaja tych niemowlet czeczenskich. O tym
jeszcze kavkazcenter nie poinformowal Ciebie?

A co do filtrow - to jezeli niektorzy nie chcieli "normalnie" zlozyc bron - to
teraz maja...

cala sprawa jak dla mnie podejrzana

[Gość: isshia]

jestem bardzo ciekawa co zerobiono mu by sie poddał (jesli faktycznie to
uczycnił), wszak wie, ze w najlepszym razei go zabiją szybko... ale jesli ktos
z jego rodziny wyladował w filtrze... KGB-FSB umie szantazować...

FSB dobrze nawraca....

[Gość: J.K.2]

Na wszystko jest odpowiedź

[Gość: Wsiok]

po prostu ten dowódca to agent FSB ;)

Poprostu ludzie od Maschadowa widzą że

[Gość: Tomson]

za nieszczęścia Czeczenów odpowiadają bandyci Basajewa, a nie Rosjanie.

popatrz popatrz maja juz gacie pelne ze strachu

[janosik6]

Te bandziory czeczenmskie zaczynaja kumac i wola zyc z ruskimi jak
walesac sie po gorach i napadac , grabic, zabijac niewinnych ludzi.
Tylko te palanty nie-kumate z dolu kiedy zrozumia ze zostali wydymani
przez swoja brodata i lysa starszyzne ?
Brawo Putinowi ze sie zabral za te bande .
Nie powinno byc zadnego cackania sie z nimi..
Wyrznac co do jednego a nastepnie sie powinien zabrac za krakusow/pedalow.

[dr_dariob]

My, bandyci krakowsko-czeczeńscy już na niego czekamy!!

Przykre

[Gość: klapek]

To bolesne ze przedstawiciele narodu, ktory przez kilkadziesiat lat nie mail
wlasnego panstwa, zrobil kilka powstan, potrafia wypisywac takie bzdury.

[Gość: Rysiu]

Bolesne i żenujące zarazem...

okolicznosci i komentarz

[Gość: grg]

(...)
Bojownicy tymczasem sugerują, że kapitulacja ich ministra obrony to wynik
szantażu ze strony sił prorosyjskich. Na kilkanaście godzin przed informacją o
poddaniu się bojownika ich portale internetowe zamieściły oświadczenie
rebeliantów o aresztowaniu 16 krewnych Magomieda Chambijewa i jego starszego
brata Umara, ministra zdrowia w separatystycznym rządzie.

"W celu wywarcia na nich nacisków, 1 marca Kadyrowowska sfora i wojska
rosyjskie okrążyły Benoj, rodzinną wieś Chambijewów (...), i dokonały obławy,
po której aresztowano i wywieziono w nieznanym kierunku 16 bliskich krewnych" -
czytamy w oświadczeniu.

Według rebeliantów 6 marca Ramzan Kadyrow zapowiedział na spotkaniu z
przedstawicielem rodu Chambijewów, że aresztowane osoby zostaną zwolnione tylko
wtedy, gdy broń złożą Magomied i Umar. Strona Kavkaz-Centr twierdzi przy tym, że
siły promoskiewskie groziły 16 zatrzymanym śmiercią.

PAP, jkl /2004-03-08 21:41:00

PAP popelnilo gafe: Dr. Chambijew nie moze "zlozyc broni", gdyz nigdy nie mial
jej w rece. Natomiast jego brat Magomed nie jest tak wazna osoba, jak sie moze
wydawac z triumfalnych oswiadczen strony rosyjskiej.

Podobnie zreszta, jak Basajew, ktory obecnie dowodzi tylko mala, stworzona
przez siebie organizacja terrorystyczna i juz kilkanascie miesiecy temu sam sie
zrzekl wszystkich funkcji i odcial od mainstreamu, w ogole zaniechajac akcji
bojowych (swoje wlasne oddzialy zdajac przy tym Abu Walidowi). Co nie
przeszkadza roznym gazetom ciagle wypisywac o nim, jakim to on jest "poteznym
komendantem"... nawet, jesli w zeszlym roku mieszkal kilka miesiecy w domku na
terytorium Rosji z zalediwe paroma ludzmi, organizujac zamachy (po odkryciu
przebil sie przez kordon, uciekl oblawie i znowu zniknal).


Oswiadczenie MSZ CzRI z 8 marca:

CHECHEN REPUBLIC OF ICHKERIA
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS

URGENT STATEMENT OF THE CHECHEN FOREIGN MINISTER:

RUSSIANS KIDNAPPED 16 RELATIVES OF CHECHEN MINISTER OF HEALTH DR. OUMAR
KHANBIEV. THE WORLD MUST TELL PUTIN TO FREE THEM.

8 March 2004

Last week Russian security services and the Kremlin-backed Kadyrov’s criminal
administration, in a series of separate operations in Benoi, Grozny and
elsewhere in Chechnya, selectively kidnapped 16 relatives of Chechen Minister
of Health Dr. Oumar Khanbiev. The Russian authorities then announced to the
locals that the detainees would "be tortured to death" if Oumar Khanbiev and
his brother Magomed Khanbiev do not surrender to Russians.

This mass and politically motivated kidnapping is a barbaric act of a state
sponsored terrorism aimed to silence Chechen legitimate political leadership,
which the world must immediately condemn in the strongest possible terms and
take urgent actions to guarantee safe and speedy release of the all 16
kidnapped civilians.

In February 2000, Oumar Khanbiev, together with 18 members of his medical staff
and 75 wounded patients, was illegally detained and subjected to torture in
Russian concentration camps. He was freed weeks latter only as a combined
result of an international pressure and ransom.

Since then Oumar Khanbiev has become Chechen key political representative in
Europe and has done a tremendous job in increasing European and international
public and political awareness about the situation in Chechnya and searching
for a peaceful resolution of the Russian-Chechen conflict. In December 2000,
European Parliamentarians, in recognition of his important work on behalf of
the innocent victims of the Russian war in Chechnya, awarded Dr. Khanbiev
with "Passport for Freedom".

On 4 September 2002, apparently in an attempt to silence Dr. Khanbiev, Russian
security services kidnapped his younger brother – civilian doctor Ali Khanbiev,
whose fate, despite of the concerns raised by members of the European
Parliament and the European Commission, is still unknown. Now, the masters of
Kremlin and their local puppets kidnapped almost every relative of Oumar
Khanbiev.

This crime comes only two weeks after Russian agents committed a terrorist
attack in Qatar that killed former acting Chechen President Zelimkhan
Yandarbiyev and severely injured his 13-year-old son. Now we have another crime
of an open terror. It must not be allowed to succeed.

The United States of America, the states of the free Europe, the European
Union, the United Nations, the OSCE, the Council of Europe and all human rights
organizations must do no less than to demand from President Putin today to
release the kidnapped civilians, to release them immediately.

Ilyas Akhmadov
Foreign Minister

www.chechnya-mfa.info

[dr_dariob]

Popieram dążenia niepodległościowe Czeczenów ale uważam, że dalsza kontynuacja
walki partyzanckiej nie ma sensu. Nie będzie powtórki z I wojny - tym razem
militarnie Czeczeni nie wygrają. Zamiast tego tracą wybitnych przywódców
(zwłaszcza szkoda Gełajewa) i następuje dalsza radykalizacja i degeneracja
ruchu oporu (vide Basajew). Powinni przeczekać parę lat i spróbować znowu przy
korzystniejszej sytuacji międzynarodowej.

[Gość: grg]

dr_dariob napisał:

> Popieram dążenia niepodległościowe Czeczenów ale uważam, że dalsza
kontynuacja
> walki partyzanckiej nie ma sensu. Nie będzie powtórki z I wojny - tym razem
> militarnie Czeczeni nie wygrają. Zamiast tego tracą wybitnych przywódców
> (zwłaszcza szkoda Gełajewa)

Gelajew byl troche wyidealizowanym bohaterem ludowym (ballady itd.) - byli
lepsi od niego, a o ktorych malo kto slyszal.

Dochodzi przy tym do takich absurdalnych sytuacji, gdy przypisuje mu sie
rzeczy, jakich w rzeczywistosci w ogole nie dokonal, np. dowodztwo w Groznym
1999-2000 (naprawde plk. Isa Munajew - swoja droga tez niezyjacy)... gdy
tymczasem Gelajew tak naprawde doprowadzil do upadku miasta, wycofujac nagle
swoich ludzi z bronionych pozycji i z miasta (reszta zmuszona byla podazyc za
nim, ale w miedzyczasie Rosjanie zablokowali przejscie - zginal wtedy mlody
Dudajew, ktory poszedl pierwszy przez miny)...

A co do sytuacji militarnej: jak dotad nie bylo wcale zle - obawiam sie, ze
jednak w koncu Rosjanie znalezli sposob na zlamanie oporu: poprzez branie
rodzin jako zakladnikow. "Nowatorskie" podejscie w stosunku do tradycyjnych
lapanek przypadkowych osob w celu wymuszania od nich zeznan, zadania okupu lub
wymiany na jencow/bron/ciala, uzywania ich jako zywych tarcz, itd.

W sumie pomysl prosty, logiczny i skuteczny (a i inteligentniej stosowany, niz
np. niemieckie uliczne egzekucje przypadkowych zakladnikow w odwecie za
akcje "bandytow"). Zwykle porwania, morderstwa i "znikniecia" tylko wzmagaja
opor i poteguja chec odwetu - troche dziwne, ze zrozumieli to dopiero teraz.
Wczesniej byla tylko powtorka z Afganistanu (co zauwazyl gen. Gromow*),
ewentualnie z eksperymentami w rodzaju wysadzenia stolicy.

Jak nie skutkuje zwykla brutalna sila militarna i policyjny terror, to trzeba
sprobowac czegos innego. Stalin zabil 1/3 w 1944 i przesiedlil reszte na
Syberie i do Kazachstanu - wystarczylo na 50 lat. Saddam pokonal Kurdow dopiero
gazem i spalona ziemia, Szyitow masowymi egzekucjami, a mieszkancow bagien
osuszajac ich siedziby (niszczac tym samym ich liczaca tysiace lat kulture
unikalna kulture i powodujac kolejna olbrzymia kleske ekologiczna). Na kazdego
jest sposob - "swiat sie dowiedzial, nic nie powiedzial".

*Bitter memories 15 years after Soviet retreat from Afghanistan

15 February 2004
AFP

Fifteen years ago, the Soviet Union ended its last war, a disastrous 10-year
invasion of Afghanistan that claimed the lives of at least 15,000 soldiers and
fuelled the rise of radical Islamic extremists such as Osama bin Laden's Al-
Qaeda terror network.

The Afghan invasion still provokes heated debate in Russia, now bogged down in
a bleeding guerrilla conflict in its mainly Muslim republic of Chechnya that
has raged for much of the past decade, killing 10,000 Russian troops according
to the official toll.

As veterans complain bitterly of being forgotten and neglected, both by the
government and their countrymen, military pundits still argue who was to blame
for the humiliating defeat. And some charge that the invasion was a
catastrophic mistake that helped speed up the crumbling of the Soviet Union and
sparked the rise of Islamic extremists.

The general who led the withdrawal of Soviet troops, Boris Gromov, slammed the
Afghan war for breeding violent Islamic radicalism in an interview with the
Russian army newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda published Friday ahead of the
anniversary.

"The invasion was a big mistake that opened the hornet's nest that is
terrorism, not only in Afghanistan but in the region as a whole," said Gromov,
who was the last Soviet soldier to leave Afghanistan on February 15, 1989.
Gromov was the last commander of Soviet troops in Afghanistan, which Moscow
invaded with a night-time raid by elite forces on the presidential palace in
Kabul on December 25, 1979.

Many in Russia often compare the Soviet Afghan experience to the conflict in
Chechnya, a mostly Muslim republic in the Caucasus that proclaimed independence
from Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union.

"You study history in order not to repeat the same mistakes," Gromov said. "The
fact that such an analysis was not made led to what we had... in Chechnya."

As in Afghanistan, Moscow was forced to withdraw its troops from Chechnya in
the face of armed rebel resistance at the end of the first Russo-Chechen war in
1996.

Putin launched the second war in October 1999 as a lightning-strike operation
against "terrorists," but the conflict has bogged down into brutal guerrilla
warfare that continues to claim lives on a daily basis.

[Gość: Kris]

nie dziwie sie ze masz taka kasze we lbie,czytujac kavkaz.center!

czlonkowie rodziny Maschadowa takze porwani

[Gość: grg]

Po masowym wzieciu zakladnikow w Koren-Benoj i Odzej-Jurcie, nastepne w
Alleroj - rodzinnej wsi Maschadowa. Kadyrow juz dzis zapowiedzial,
ze "Maschadow podda sie w przyszlym tygodniu"...

Jednego z porwanych Chanbijewow (studenta medycyny) zwolniono jeszcze przed
poddaniem sie Magomeda; los pozostalych zakladnikow pozostaje nieznany:

March 7th 2004 ˇ Prague Watchdog

Medical student released; others remain under arrest

Timur Aliyev, North Caucasus, March 6 - The student from the MedicalFaculty of
Grozny State University who was arrested several days ago was released on March
5, said his classmates.

Aslanbek Khanbiyev was jailed for three days and during that time he'd been
badly beaten. Apparently he was punished for being related to Magomed
Khanbiyev, former Defense Minister of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria.

His classmates believe he was released thanks to their continuous public
protest. For three days about 200 students from the Medical Faculty picketed
the building of the Moscow-backed Chechen government in Grozny, waving banners
with slogans condemning the arrest.

However, the fate of Aslanbek's detained brother remains unknown. Usam Baisayev
of the Russian human rights organization Memorial suspects he may be among
other Khanbiyev relatives who were also arrested.

Baisayev said that two Khanbiyevs are being held in the town of Gudermes, while
20 other relatives of Magomed Khanbiyev, including women and the elderly from
the Nozhai-Yurtovsky district, are jailed in the village of Benoi.

[Gość: Polka]

tragiczny ,wielce bohaterski narod.Jaki straszny ból,gdy ginie na oczach
świata..ech,polityka.Czeczeni,jestem z Wami!Rosji nie wierzy nikt

[Gość: ja]

odwazni,bohaterscy,dumni..a swiat Ich sprzedał.tragedia

[Gość: Polska]

przepraszam za wszystkie zle slowa skierowane w stronę
Czeczenow.rzeczywiście,nie wiadomo:wiecej glupoty czy podlości

[terra0]

Wiec co - (z Twoich listow)

ɭ. Dr. Chambijew nie moze "zlozyc broni", gdyz nigdy nie mial
>jej w rece. Natomiast jego brat Magomed nie jest tak wazna osoba
ɮ. Basajew, ktory obecnie dowodzi tylko mala, stworzona
> przez siebie organizacja terrorystyczna
ɯ. Kadyrow juz dzis zapowiedzial,
>ze "Maschadow podda sie w przyszlym tygodniu"...

Wiec pozostaja tylko male grupy bandziorow, ktorych trzeba lapac i likwidowac...

[Gość: Chechen]

Russcy kurwa wasza mac, kiedy odjebecie sie od naszej ziemi ??? Macie przeciez
duzo ziemi ropy,a my chcemy tylko ten maly kowalek i my mamy na to prawo.Ej
Russcy bierzcie ze soba Maschadowa,Basajewa,wszystkich bojownikow i
sperdalajcie z mojej ziemi razem z nimi.PO PROSTU ODJEBCIE SIE OD NAS I MY!!!!

A co niby Ruscy cały czas robią???

[Gość: Tomson]

> Russcy bierzcie ze soba Maschadowa,Basajewa,wszystkich bojownikow i
> sperdalajcie z mojej ziemi razem z nimi.PO PROSTU ODJEBCIE SIE OD NAS I MY!!!!
Właśnie wyłapują wszystkich bańdziorów byś mógł bezpiecznie żyć na swojej
ziemii.

[terra0]

Kawalek otrzymales. Na skynet.BE. Nalezy cieszy sie i zawdieczac rosjanom, ze
otrzymales taka mozliwosc...
A jezeli zostawiles swoj kawalek ziemi rosjanom, wyjechales w poszukiwaniu
lepszego zycia, nie trzeba miec pretenzji...

[Gość: elle]

widze,ze dziewczynki poszly do swojej pracy na ulicę to i ty mogleś spokojnie
przyjść do swojej!biedny,wyprany mózgu,żal mi cie,ze nigdy o tym sie nie
dowiesz ile w tobie kompleksow..bye,bye.

swoja droga ciekawe ilu rosyjskich zolnierzy ginie

[marcus_crassus]

o ile sie nie myle w ciagu 24 ostatnich godzin zginelo np 10.jesli tak wyglada
statystyka dnia w czeczenii to cienko to widze.

W zimie zawsze mniej...

[Gość: grg]

Another New Year in Chechnya offers no sign that the conflict is ending
January 15,2004

(...)
The fighters are particularly dangerous in the gorges and forests of the
Caucasus and in the shattered landscape of the Chechen capital, Grozny. On
January 14, four military sappers were killed and two were badly injured by a
mine laid in the Shatoi region in Chechnya's southern mountains. A day earlier,
three sappers were killed and another hurt in the same region. Three days
before that, a group of marines were ambushed near Vedeno. In the last week, the
heavily-guarded group of pro-Moscow government buildings in Grozny has come
under grenade attack.

A Russian officer named Vitaly from the military command headquarters also
admits that the conflict is not over.

"Not a single day passes by without our field-engineer soldiers finding
landmines and other self-explosive devices on roads during terrain inspections,
while in Grozny and other major towns the attacks on soldiers continue," he
said. "It's a real partisan war going on here. At the moment the fighters are
less active due to winter conditions, but during the spring and summer it gets
really hot here."

Ale i lat bedzie jeszcze niemalo - tak przynajmniej twierdza sondaze
przeprowadzane wsrod Rosjan, a szczegolnie wojskowych.

Wiekszosc (53%) uwaza, ze wojna trwac bedzie jeszcze "w dalekiej przyszlosci" -
to jest jeszcze przez co najmniej ponad 10 lat.

18% liczy na koniec wojny w ciagu 6-10 lat od 2004, a 14% na 3-5 lat od dzis.

Jedynie 7% uwaza, ze wojna potrwa jeszcze tylko rok lub 2 lata.

63% nie zgadza sie przy tym z polityka Kremla w kwestii Czeczenii w ciagu
poprzednich 10 lat (inne zdanie ma 31%).

RUSSIANS SEE LITTLE HOPE FOR PEACE IN CHECHNYA

The Russians most pessimistic about the prospects for peace in Chechnya are
those with the highest incomes and educations--and also, strikingly, soldiers.
Novye izvestia reported on February 3 the results of a poll conducted by ROMIR
Monitoring in late January. Of the 1,630 Russians surveyed, some 53 percent
said that they expected peace to return only in the distant future. Another 18
percent saw peace returning within six to ten years, and 14 percent within three
to five years. Only 7 percent believed that Chechnya would be at peace
just one or two years from now.

Consistently, the Russians polled expressed overwhelming disagreement with
their own government's policies. Only 31 percent viewed positively or somewhat
positively the actions of the federal government in Chechnya over the last
decade, while 63 percent took a negative or somewhat negative view.

9 marca? 3 zabitych wg AP

[Gość: grg]

--MORE FATALITIES FOR FEDERAL FORCES
Combat operations in Chechnya killed three federal servicemen during a
24-hour period ending on March 9, according to an anonymous official of
the Kadyrov administration who spoke with the Associated Press. Seven
other federal troops were wounded, including three within Grozny.

grg,czytalem to samo zrodlo (AP)

[marcus_crassus]

uzyli tam wyrazenia 3 federal servicemen i dodatkowo "7 soldiers"...

stad sie wzielo 10.dane pochodzily ze zrodel administarcji centralnej.

nie wiem w takim razie skad wynika roznica.moze to moje info obejmowalo jeszcze
wiadomosc o jakims innym incydencie???

[Gość: grg]

Tutaj pisze wyraznie: 3 zabitych, a 7 rannych. Nie z centralnej, ale z wtyki AP
u Kadyrowa w Groznym (zwykle podaje wyzsze). Dane moga oczywiscie byc niepelne.

Russian Interior Ministry details staff deaths

[Gość: Interfax]

Co najmniej 288 oficjeli MSW zabitych w pierwszej wojnie, ponad 1,000 w
obecnej.

09 March 2004
Russian Interior Ministry details staff deaths in Chechnya since 1994

Interfax-AVN, Moscow, 9 March: A total of 1,314 Interior Ministry officials
have been killed in Chechnya since December 1994. "A total of 1,314 Interior
Ministry officials were killed in Chechnya from December 1994 until 1 January
2004," a report by the Russian Interior Ministry's personnel directorate,
submitted to the State Duma, says.

A source in the State Duma told Interfax-Military News Agency today that an
inquiry had been sent in light of the bill on exempting sons and brothers of
Interior Ministry officials killed in Chechnya from active-duty service. The
source also quoted the report as saying that the number of Interior Ministry
officials killed in Chechnya from December 1994 until 1996 totalled 288 people.
Another 1,026 officials were killed in the course of the anti-guerrilla
operation from August 1999 until 2003.

According to the report, there were no losses among Interior Ministry officials
in Chechnya from 1996 until August 1999. The average age of Interior Ministry
officials killed due to injuries, wounds, and concussions is 25-30 years.

Może to lepiej, niż być ruskim szlamem?

[Gość: Wqrwiony2]

Military news, 8.3.2004

[Gość: CP]

Raport z dni 6-8 marca - mam nadzieje, ze zaspoilem twoja ciekawosc.

Attacks on the occupiers in Johar and Shali districts

Troops from the Resistance forces fired on a "UAZ" vehicle with Russian
occupiers this morning on 8 March Street in the Oktyabrsky district of the
Chechen capital. Because the driver wasn't injured, in spite of the fact that
the vehicle was riddled with bullets, the occupiers were able to disappaer from
the place of the encounter without stopping.

Chechenpress sources in the Shali district report that Chechen mujahedeen blew
up an infantry fighting vehicle of the occupying formations with a contact mine
and then took it under fire in Duba-Yurt village on 6 March. Five occupiers
were killed and two were wounded as a result of this encounter, according to
our sources. The armoured vehicle was damaged but not disabled. Nobody was
injured on the Chechen side in this battle.

Military operations of the mujahedeen in Achhoi-Martan, Johar and Ingushetia

Chechen sources report that a "Ural" truck of the Russian IM troops was blown
up on 6 March in the Achhoi-Martan district. Two occupiers were killed on the
spot and six were wounded by the explosion.

Also on 6 March, an infantry fighting vehicle with members of the occupying
Russian OMON was blown up on 1 May Street in the center of the Chechen capital.
The mujahedeen weren't able to establish how many of occupiers were injured or
killed, because they left the site of the encounter immediately after the
explosion.

Chechenpress sources in the Sunzha district report that Chechen mujahedeen
ignited a radio-controlled mine at the moment when a Russian convoy was passing
by in the southern outskirts of the Cossack village of Nesterovskaya in
Ingushetia's Sunzha district, near the border with Chechnya, on 5 March. It was
reported that the explosion occurred next to the IFV, and that two occupiers
were killed and five were wounded by it. In spite of the panic fire opened by
the Russian bandits, nobody was injured on the Chechen side.

B. Engeno, Chechenpress, 08.03.04

URGENT PRESS RELEASE

[Gość: ChRI/MFA]

CHECHEN REPUBLIC OF ICHKERIA
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS

URGENT PRESS RELEASE

OUMAR KHANBIEV WILL HOLD A PRESS CONFERENSE IN STRASTBOURG


Tuesday, March 09, 2004

Chechen Minister of Health Dr. Oumar Khanbiev will hold an urgent press
conference in the European Parliament’s building in Strasbourg tomorrow
(March 10) at 11.30. A.M. local time. (Room N-1/201).


Press office
Ministry of Foreign Affairs
www.chechnya-mfa.info

[Gość: J.K.2]

Ostatnio Czeczeny ostro walcza miedzy soba. Ale Rosjanie trzymaja sytuacje pod
kontrola.

[Gość: mia]

Czeczeni!podziwiam Was,ale nie dajcie juz więcej się zabijać!

[Gość: I]

czeczeni!podziwiam Was,ale nie dajcie sie już zabijać!

[terra0]

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Chechnya's top rebel leader may surrender soon: pro-Moscow official

March 9, 2004
AFP

Chechnya's pro-Moscow government has hinted that top rebel leader Aslan
Maskhadov may soon surrender amid charges that authorities forced another top
separatist to lay down arms by kidnapping and threatening his family.

"I think it's 70 percent possible that within a week or two Maskhadov will
surrender," Ramzan Kadyrov, who heads the security service for his father, pro-
Moscow Chechen President Akhmad Kadyrov, said on local television Monday.

But a Maskhadov spokesman called the suggestion "absurd."

"That is an absurd statement," Akhmed Zakayev told AFP from London, where he
has been granted political asylum.

"It is absolutely out of the question and is pure and simple propaganda on the
part of Kadyrov and his team."

Maskhadov was elected Chechnya's president in 1997, after the Caucasus republic
won its first war against Moscow. Before the start of the second war in October
1999, the Kremlin branded him a "terrorist" and refused to negotiate with him.

He is currently thought to be hiding out somewhere in the mountains that hug
Chechnya's southern border.

Kadyrov's comments came amid charges that Magomed Khambiyev, Chechnya's former
defense minister and a Maskhadov ally, surrendered on Monday after numerous
members of his family were kidnapped by Russian and pro-Kadyrov forces.

"Russian secret services... had selectively kidnapped 16 relatives" of
Khambiyev throughout Chechnya, said a rebel statement quoted by several rebel
websites.

Some time later, authorities said that those detained would be murdered unless
Khambiyev and his brother Umar, a former health minister, surrendered, the
statement said.

Umar Khambiyev is currently in France, where a group called the Chechen
Committee also decried the detentions.

Magomed's surrender "was staged by Kadyrovtsy" (as pro-Kadyrov forces are
known), "who took hostages... including women," Umar Khambiyev told AFP by
telephone.

"As a brother, I am proud of his actions, he sacrificed himself," he said. "But
I regret that he has created a precedent, giving into Russian terrorism."

The press office of Chechnya's interior ministry confirmed to AFP that 16
relatives of Khambiyev had been detained recently as part of operations looking
for rebels.

Among those detained were Khambiyev's 22-year-old cousin Aslanbek, a medical
student who was taken by armed men from Grozny's university on March 1. His
brother Shita, also a medical student, was taken from his apartment on the same
day.

After a week of student protests, Aslanbek was released, though Shita remains
missing.

Although Akhmad Kadyrov called Khambiyev's surrender, which came less than a
week before Russia's presidential elections, a major blow to the Chechen
resistance, both Umar Khambiyev and Zakayev denied it had any bearing.

"The resistance will not be affected, it is not just made up of Khambiyevs,"
Umar Khambiyev said.

Zakayev said that Khambiyev had not been active in the separatist movement for
at least two years and dismissed the surrender as a publicity stunt on the eve
of Putin's reelection bid.

"This is all part of a pre-election campaign on the part of Putin and his
entourage," he said.

Rights groups in Chechnya charge that the forces of Kadyrov, a former rebel who
switched to Moscow's side at the start of the second Chechen war and was
elected president in a disputed poll last October, are responsible for many of
the kidnappings in the restive Caucasus republic.

Russian President Vladimir Putin, who launched the current Russo-Chechen war,
stands for reelection on March 14 and is expected to easily sweep the poll.


MINISTER FOR MASKHADOV GOVERNMENT SURRENDERS

Pro-Moscow security agencies in Chechnya won a major victory on March 7 with
the surrender of Magomed Khambiev, minister of defense in the underground
separatist government of Aslan Maskhadov. Many, though not all, reports of this
event in the Russian media have failed to mention the key tactical method by
which this victory was apparently achieved: The systematic targeting,
kidnapping and torture of the Khambiev family's relatives.

According to an article written for the March 10 issue of Moskovsky
komsomolets, but already on that newspaper's website as of the evening of March
9, Khambiev surrendered in the highland village of Tsentorroi on Monday. He did
this, wrote the newspaper, "because, beginning last fall, sixteen or seventeen
of his relatives have been kidnapped and taken as hostages." The newspaper said
that, according to its sources, the kidnappings were conducted by
Chechnya's "security service" headed by Akhmad Kadyrov's son Ramzan.

According to a statement distributed on March 8 by the Maskhadov government's
foreign minister, Ilyas Akhmadov, federal forces had been threatening that the
captured Khambiev family members would be executed unless both Magomed and his
brother Umar agreed to surrender. Umar is Maskhadov's minister of health; on
March 9 it was announced that he has scheduled a March 10 press conference in
Strasbourg, France, to describe the tactics used by the Kadyrov family's hostage
takers.

Last September another Khanbiev brother, Ali, disappeared in Chechnya; his fate
remains unknown.