IZRAEL PORTZEBUJE OBRONNE GRANICE,ZOBACZ

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www.iris.org.il/sizemaps/arabwrld.htm

Kochany, w rzyci mamy co "Izrael potrzebuje"

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Na przykład: Sowiety potrzebowały "obronne granice", więc zaatakowały Finlandię i zrobiły sobie bufor z Europy
srodkowej i wschodniej.. Potrzeba była realna, ale czy ten ruski ekspansjonizm też usprawiedliwisz? Nie wszystko,
co się "potrzebuje" sie należy.
G.

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A Hitler potrzebowal przestrzeni zyciowej.

................troche z innej strony

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netanyahu.org/remasdelbyfo.html

Kurcze, jestem po lunchu!!!

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Litosci - pod koniec pierwszego akapitu omal się nie porzygałem (nad tym fragmentem o "greatest democracy on the
Earth" odnoszącym się do... Izraela). Dalej nie czytam, szkoda zdrowia.
G.

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What's wrong with some honest truth. To much for you?

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> What's wrong with some honest truth. To much for you?

My friend, this is not truth. Israel is not "one of the greates democracies on Earth". It's about as democratic, as Iran
(they have elections too, remember?). Democracy means not only electing representatives from time to time (even in
this respect Israel is greatly imperfect - what about rights of the people from the occupied teritories? Hell, show us,
the rest of the stupid and backward world how democratic you are - give them the suffrage. Or get out of their land -
your choice).

Democracy is not only about the elections - it's also about observing some standards of law and human rights. Read
the American Declaration of Independence and you'll know what I mean. Especially the fragment about "all men are
created equal" or about "the consent of the governed".

Israel is a theocratic, racist country to the bone. Reading this bullshit about similarities to the US is indeed hard on one's
stomach.
G.

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>
> > What's wrong with some honest truth. To much for you?
>
> My friend, this is not truth. Israel is not "one of the greates democracies on
> Earth". It's about as democratic, as Iran
> (they have elections too, remember?). Democracy means not only electing represe
> ntatives from time to time (even in
> this respect Israel is greatly imperfect - what about rights of the people from
> the occupied teritories? Hell, show us,
> the rest of the stupid and backward world how democratic you are - give them th
> e suffrage. Or get out of their land -
> your choice).
>
> Democracy is not only about the elections - it's also about observing some stan
> dards of law and human rights. Read
> the American Declaration of Independence and you'll know what I mean. Especial
> ly the fragment about "all men are
> created equal" or about "the consent of the governed".
>
> Israel is a theocratic, racist country to the bone. Reading this bullshit about
> similarities to the US is indeed hard on one's
> stomach.
> G.

I don't know where are you from, but in order to judge the situation, you would
have to know little bit of history of the region. Not the history that is posted
in this forum. You make statemnt about "occupied territories" where historically
it is not occupied. Becouse in order for a territory to be occupied by someone it
had to be independent before. The last period of time said so called territories
were independent, was about 2000 years ago. The last time the territories were
partitioned was in 1920's to create "Jordan" and then between the years of 1948
and 1967 the territories were occupied by the same "country" Jordan created by
the British in 1920's.
I hear the Arabs claims, but changing history for their immidiate goals will
never make it a truth and agreeing with their claims will not make one right,
regardless of the times it is claimed.

Fine

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Fine. So make these territories a part of Israeli state.
This, however, involves giving the inhabitants all the
citizens' rights (at least this is a civilized standard).
How do you like it?
G.

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> Fine. So make these territories a part of Israeli state.
> This, however, involves giving the inhabitants all the
> citizens' rights (at least this is a civilized standard).
> How do you like it?
> G.

I agree, it seems that you agree, can we now agree that we should live in peace
and respect each other. Look both of us understand that it is not and will not be
easy, I am willing to teach to live in peace, are you? are they?
You originally mentioned the American declaration of Independence, I agree. Did
you read the Israeli Declaration of Independence?
You can view it in English at:
www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH00hb0

It mentiones the two important points:

WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for
months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and
participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal
citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent
institutions.

WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of
peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of
cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own
land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the
advancement of the entire Middle East.

Fine again

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> I agree, it seems that you agree,

So just do it. Give all the inhabitants of the occupied
territories all the citizen's rights. Then (but only
then) you can stop calling these teritories "occupied".
Then (and again - only then) I'll be the first to call
them terrorists if they continue their armed struggle.
G.

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> > I agree, it seems that you agree,
>
> So just do it. Give all the inhabitants of the occupied
> territories all the citizen's rights. Then (but only
> then) you can stop calling these teritories "occupied".
> Then (and again - only then) I'll be the first to call
> them terrorists if they continue their armed struggle.
> G.

I have and am willing to implement now.
However what does that have to do with the term "terrorist."
Either one is a terrorist or not. The issue of terrorism should not even come to
a discussion. An act of terrorism has no place regardless of the supposed reason.
Since you like to rely on US style of freedom - President Bush indicated that
there is no such thing as "justifiable terrorism"
Every normal human being must fight against terrorism, whether it comes from
Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libia, North Korea, or whether it is additionally financed by
Saudi Arabia, or any other roque state.
Killing with intent innocent civilians, by means of bombs, whether by suicide or
otherwise, or indiscriminate shooting at cars travelling on a road, or flying
airplanes into buildings, regardless of the so called "provocations," is defined
as terrorism. Period.
The definition does not exclude, "I will go to heaven and will get 72 virgins"
or "I have nothing to loose" or "American Imperialism" or "America the Great
Satan" etc. etc. All life is sacred, but a life of an innocent non-combatant must
be protected to the best of one's ability, even in time of war, whether declared
or non-declared.

Terrorists or freedom fighters

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> However what does that have to do with the term "terrorist."

Americans may have a problem with such a definition. They didn't have their territory occupied recently. Poles - quite
contrary. And on such occasions we used to call (together with other Europeans) people taking arms in the defense
of their homeland "freedom fighters" or "resistance". Sure, the other side wasn't shy to use words like "banditen" (it's
contemporary variant is "terrorists").

Israel, like it or not, is at war. And it's a half century old, dirty war for hardly a just cause. The creation of the Israeli
state was accomplished by means of terror and armed struggle against the British and Arabs -
www.etzel.org.il/english/ Attrocities were committed, quite similar to those being committed now by Palestinians
(and retaliated equally brutally by Israel).

And guess what: while I can't imagine shooting Israeli civillans from my current point of view, I'm less sure what I'd do
if my grandfather was murdered in Deir Yassin, my house was bulldozed or some uniformed s.o.b. ordered me to get
out of my home and stand against the wall with my hands on my head. I'd have, of course, much less in the way of
remorse in case of uniformed soldiers.

My point is: YOU don't spare civilians (nor did in the past), so don't expect it from your enemies. Calling them terrorists
is hypocritical considering your own history and the present circumstances (yes, I can call them terrorists, if they
blow up a building in New York or in Warsaw and kill civilians. YOU are getting your own medicine, so don't complain).
G.
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My advice to Jews:

You and the Palestinians can not coexist peacefully, so incorporating the occupied territories into Israel (and giving the
inhabitants all the citizen's rights) would be the end of the Israeli state.

You can't get world's approval for the occupation, either (and approval equals money). Your state is committing
exactly the same crimes as those which led to bombing Yugoslavia - that's the necessary cost of maintaining some
security of Israel (the catch is, however, that others may value this "necessity" and well being of Israel much less
than you).

The independent Palestinian state will mean a war within a couple of years.

The only possibly working solution is giving up the occupation for a price - demanding, that there will be no
independent Palestinian state. Ask a stable, western democracy to take over West Bank (better if such a proposition
doesn't come directly from Israel, however) as a protectorate. Say - as the British to return. You will gain a long
stretch of secure border. The Palestinians - get rid of the hated occupant (they were quite happy with the British
administration before).

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) Gość portalu: Esq napisał(a):
)
) ) However what does that have to do with the term "terrorist."
)
) Americans may have a problem with such a definition. They didn't have their ter
) ritory occupied recently. Poles - quite
) contrary. And on such occasions we used to call (together with other Europeans)
) people taking arms in the defense
) of their homeland "freedom fighters" or "resistance". Sure, the other side wasn
) 't shy to use words like "banditen" (it's
) contemporary variant is "terrorists").

The term of freedom fighter or resistance may be proper such as in the case of
Poland during Nazi occupation. The target was the military machinery of the Nazis
that attacked Poland in 1939. The term "banditen" in German means bandit or a
criminal but it is by no means a variant of a terrorist. Terror is defined
as : "violence (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a
population or government into granting their demands. That is why terror is not
acceptable by any normal society.
)
) Israel, like it or not, is at war. And it's a half century old, dirty war for
) hardly a just cause. The creation of the Israeli
) state was accomplished by means of terror and armed struggle against the Briti
) sh and Arabs -
) (a href="http://www.etzel.org.il/english/"target="_blank")www.etzel.org.il/engl
) ish/(/a) Attrocities were committed, quite similar to those being committed now
) by Palestinians
) (and retaliated equally brutally by Israel).

True, Israel is at war. But becouse it is the only place in a
world where a Jew has the right to live and defend himself. At certain point of
recent past the world understood that and agreed to divide the British Mandate of
Palestine into 2 parts, one part east of river Jordan for the Arabs and the other
part west of the river Jordan for the Jews.
The two issues are not the same, the Jews when they were fighting the British
occupation did not attack dancing halls (discotheques) where young kids wanted to
have fun, nor did they blow themselves up where old people were celebrating their
family holidays. You seem like an intelegent human being (unlike some of the
poeple in the forum), why would you believe the propaganda that is thrown around.
And while we on the subject of propaganda did you see the latest trash that is
comming from San Francisco. You can view it at todays Jerusalem Post site at:
http://www.jpost.com/
There you will see a poster depicting a can of 'Palestinian Children Meat' This
is the real problem. Because posters such as these ultimately will bring on
another Holocaust. Should that happen it will not only effect the Jews, but you
as well.

)
) And guess what: while I can't imagine shooting Israeli civillans from my curren
) t point of view, I'm less sure what I'd do
) if my grandfather was murdered in Deir Yassin, my house was bulldozed or some u
) niformed s.o.b. ordered me to get
) out of my home and stand against the wall with my hands on my head. I'd have,
) of course, much less in the way of
) remorse in case of uniformed soldiers.

The issue of Deir Yassin, is nothing to be proud of and many a discussion has
taken place and continue until now on the Israeli side, the problem however did
not start there and it did not occur in a vaccum. It is good to bring up that
argument, but at the same time we should also discuss the rest of the issues.

I received a letter one time from a guy that is on point:

Dear World:

It appears that you are hard to please. I understand that you are upset over us,
here in Israel. Indeed, it appears that you are quite upset, even angry and
outraged? Indeed, every few years you seem to become upset over us. Today, it is
the brutal repression of the Palestinians; yesterday, it was Lebanon; before that
it was the bombing of the nuclear reactor in Baghdad and the Yom Kippur War
campaign. It appears that Jews who triumph and who, therefore, live, upset you
most extraordinarily.

Of course, dear world, long before there was an Israel, we, the Jewish people -
upset you. We upset a German people who elected a Hitler and we upset an Austrian
people who cheered his entry into Vienna and we upset a whole slew of Slavic
nations - Poles, Slovaks, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians,
Romanians.

And we go back a long, long way in the history of world upset. We upset the
Cossacks of Chmielnicki who massacred tens of thousands of us in 1648-49; we
upset the Crusaders who, on their way to liberate the Holy Land, were so upset at
Jews that they slaughtered untold numbers of us. We upset, for centuries, a Roman
Catholic Church that did its best to define our relationship through
Inquisitions. And we upset the arch-enemy of the Church, Martin Luther, who, in
his call to burn the synagogues and the Jews within them, showed an admirable
Christian ecumenical spirit. It is because we became so upset over upsetting you,
dear world, that we decided to leave you - in a manner of speaking - and
establish a Jewish State.

The reasoning was that living in close contact with you, as resident-strangers in
the various countries that comprise you, we upset you, irritate you, and disturb
you. What better notion, then, than to leave you and thus love you - and have you
love us? And so we decided to come home - to the same homeland from which we were
driven out 1,900 years earlier by a Roman world that, apparently, we also upset.
Alas, dear world, it appears that you are hard to please. Having left you and
your Pogroms and Inquisitions and Crusades and Holocausts, having taken our leave
of the general world to live alone in our own little state? We continue to upset
you.

You are upset that we repress the Palestinians. You are deeply angered over the
fact that we do not give up the lands of 1967, which are clearly the obstacle to
peace in the Middle East. Moscow is upset and Washington is upset. The Arabs are
upset and the gentle Egyptian moderates are upset.

Well, dear world, consider the reaction of a normal Jew from Israel. In 1920,
1921 and 1929, there were no territories of 1967 to impede peace between Jews and
Arabs. Indeed, there was no Jewish State to upset anybody. Nevertheless, the same
oppressed and repressed Palestinians slaughtered hundreds of Jews in Jerusalem,
Jaffa, Safed and Hebron. Indeed, 67 Jews were slaughtered one day in Hebron - in
1929. Dear world, why did the Arabs - the Palestinians - massacre 67 Jews in one
day in 1929? Could it have been their anger over Israeli aggression in 1967? And
why were 510 Jewish men, women and children slaughtered in Arab riots in 1936-39?
Was it because of Arab upset over 1967? And when you, World, proposed a UN
Partition Plan in 1947 that would have created a Palestinian State alongside a
tiny Israel and the Arabs cried and went to war and
killed 6,000 Jews - was that upset stomach caused by the aggression of 1967? And,
by the way, dear world, why did we not hear your cry of upset then? The
Palestinians who today kill Jews with explosives and firebombs and stones are
part of the same people who - when they had all the territories they now demand
be given them for their state - attempted to drive the Jewish State into the sea.
The same twisted faces, the same hate, the same cry of "idbah-al-yahud" -
"Slaughter the Jews!" that we hear and see today, were seen and heard then. The
same people, the same dream - destroy Israel.

What they failed to do yesterday, they dream of today - but we should
not "repress" them.
Dear world, you stood by the Holocaust and you stood by in 1948 as seven states
launched a war that the Arab League proudly compared to the Mongol massacres. You
stood by in 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild mobs in every Arab capital in

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> The term of freedom fighter or resistance may be proper such as in the case of
> Poland during Nazi occupation. The target was the military machinery of the Naz
> is that attacked Poland in 1939.

What about the military machinery of Israel, supporting Jewish settlements and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians?
They have a cause.

> The term "banditen" in German means bandit or a
> criminal but it is by no means a variant of a terrorist.

It's now used as freely as the Germans applied "banditen" to the resistance members. Sometimes, of course, the term
"terrorists" is justified (as there were also real "banditen" during the II WW).

> Terror is defined
> as : "violence (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a
> population or government into granting their demands. That is why terror is not
> acceptable by any normal society.

A contemporary, normal society gives the people certain right. The right to vote and elect the government, among
others - which to some degree provides this "consent of the governed" mentioned in the Declaration of Independence
(something important not only to USA - I'd call it a a prototype of definition of human rights).
Then, if somebody still wants to intimidate the population and the government by force - I'd call such a person a
terrorist.
This is not the case with the Palestinians, however. They were given no citizens' rights, they can't influence the Israeli
policy by voting, but they are still governed by Israel. So they use bombs. About targeting civilians - in a moment.

> True, Israel is at war. But becouse it is the only place in a
> world where a Jew has the right to live and defend himself.

This place the Jews created on the expense of others. Just remember it. That's why the international community tried
to balance natural rights of Jews and Arabs and divided Palestine. This solution was right, neither side, however, was
satisfied. So, in my personal opinion, this solution should be enforced on both Jews and Arabs (and the British made a
big mistake leaving Palestine - a much better solution would be establishing TWO separate autonomies).

> The two issues are not the same, the Jews when they were fighting the British
> occupation did not attack dancing halls (discotheques) where young kids wanted
> to have fun, nor did they blow themselves up where old people were celebrating

That's true in case of dancing halls. Instead, they shot at buses, bombed railway stations. And still take pride of these
acts. www.etzel.org.il/english/
The Jews targeted civilians too. And target them today, applying rules of collective responsibility. Again - of course it's
a morally wrong thing to kill civilians. But Israelis have, in my opinion, no right to complain (and I have the right to
consider such complains hypocritical).

Another matter is using the term "British occupation". Palestine was British before any significant number of Jewish
settlers arrived (and they arrived BECAUSE Palestine was British and the Brits established the rule of law over there).
Neither Poles in Chicago nor Jews in New York call these cities "occupied by the United States", do they?

> why would you believe the propaganda that is thrown around.

I don't. :-) I don't buy propaganda from Al Jazzira (i hope I spelled it properly) nor Jerusalem Post.

> And while we on the subject of propaganda did you see the latest trash that is
> comming from San Francisco. You can view it at todays Jerusalem Post site at:
> www.jpost.com/

Sure, I have little sympathy for California liberals. They can get nasty, intolerant and uncivilized about a number of
issues (well, I wouldn't be able to put my NRA sticker on my door at Berkeley ;). But:

> Because posters such as these ultimately will bring on
> another Holocaust. Should that happen it will not only effect the Jews, but you
> as well.

Easy. They are just crazy kids full of equally crazy leftist ideas. They have no real influence in the society, and since
I, as a conservative, white, non-vegetarian, gun owning male am not afraid of lynching, neither should you as a Jew.
Let them scream and grow up.

The rest of your post was cut in the middle of the letter you cited. I guess the forum software limits the length of the
messages. If you prefer to continue this discussion privartely - here is my e-mail: [e-mail]
Best regards,
G.

Z tej samej strony Succesful Genocie

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Benjamin Netanyahu:
"
And if I had to distill it, I would say that Americans are typified by a moral
sense and a common sense. This is a very moral country, a very decent country,
and a country with a great common sense
"

www.iwchildren.org/genocide/shame9.htm

Będzie likwidacja Izraela

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Ave,
Znamy te bezpieczne granice: od Nilu do Eufratu.
Najlepszą gwarancją bezpieczeństwa dla Izraela by był uczciwy pokój z Arabami.
Izraelici się jednak na niego nie zgodzą. Dlatego, jakżeśmy wielokrotnie
pisali, Izrael będzie prowadził kolejny wojny z Arabami, aż w końcu którąś
przegra, a wtedy Izraelici będą wrzuceni do morza. I dopiero wtedy będzie pokój
na Bliskim WSchodzie.
Andrzej

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> Ave,
> Znamy te bezpieczne granice: od Nilu do Eufratu.
> Najlepszą gwarancją bezpieczeństwa dla Izraela by był uczciwy pokój z Arabami.
> Izraelici się jednak na niego nie zgodzą. Dlatego, jakżeśmy wielokrotnie
> pisali, Izrael będzie prowadził kolejny wojny z Arabami, aż w końcu którąś
> przegra, a wtedy Izraelici będą wrzuceni do morza. I dopiero wtedy będzie pokój
>
> na Bliskim WSchodzie.
> Andrzej


Jak by naprawde chcieli pokoj to by dawno byl. Problem z Arabami ze wlasnie oni
chca od Jordanu do morza. Ale takze chca od Nowego Jorku do Los Angeles, cala
Europe no i takze Polske.

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> Gość portalu: Andrzej napisał(a):
>
> > Ave,
> > Znamy te bezpieczne granice: od Nilu do Eufratu.
> > Najlepszą gwarancją bezpieczeństwa dla Izraela by był uczciwy pokój z Arab
> ami.
> > Izraelici się jednak na niego nie zgodzą. Dlatego, jakżeśmy wielokrotnie
> > pisali, Izrael będzie prowadził kolejny wojny z Arabami, aż w końcu którąś
>
> > przegra, a wtedy Izraelici będą wrzuceni do morza. I dopiero wtedy będzie
> pokój
> >
> > na Bliskim WSchodzie.
> > Andrzej
>
>
> Jak by naprawde chcieli pokoj to by dawno byl. Problem z Arabami ze wlasnie oni
>
> chca od Jordanu do morza. Ale takze chca od Nowego Jorku do Los Angeles, cala
> Europe no i takze Polske.

zapomniales o Antarktydzie.

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> Gość portalu: Esq napisał(a):
>
> > Gość portalu: Andrzej napisał(a):
> >
> > > Ave,
> > > Znamy te bezpieczne granice: od Nilu do Eufratu.
> > > Najlepszą gwarancją bezpieczeństwa dla Izraela by był uczciwy pokój z
> Arab
> > ami.
> > > Izraelici się jednak na niego nie zgodzą. Dlatego, jakżeśmy wielokrot
> nie
> > > pisali, Izrael będzie prowadził kolejny wojny z Arabami, aż w końcu k
> tórąś
> >
> > > przegra, a wtedy Izraelici będą wrzuceni do morza. I dopiero wtedy bę
> dzie
> > pokój
> > >
> > > na Bliskim WSchodzie.
> > > Andrzej
> >
> >
> > Jak by naprawde chcieli pokoj to by dawno byl. Problem z Arabami ze wlasni
> e oni
> >
> > chca od Jordanu do morza. Ale takze chca od Nowego Jorku do Los Angeles, c
> ala
> > Europe no i takze Polske.
>
> zapomniales o Antarktydzie.

Przepraszam

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skleroza was żre??? Nie pamiętacie lata 2000, kiedy to
proponowano arafatowi pokój dając mu 98% tego, co
chciał?!-Jedynie pozostawiono sprawę ewentualnych
rozmów na temat Jerozolimy!! - i wtedy ten wieczny
bandyta odrzucił tą propozycję,bo...jego celem jest
ciągła wojna...aż do jakiegoś tam końca - według niego
do wrzucenia Żydów do Morza... no i oczywiście do
zrujnowania tego Raju, jaki na pustyni ciężką pracą
Żydzi stworzyli!!i będą mieć totalny syf - namiastkę
widziałem swego czasu osobiście.

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> Nie pamiętacie lata 2000, kiedy to
> proponowano arafatowi pokój dając mu 98% tego, co
> chciał?!

Nie tego, co chcial.
Tego, co bylo ustalone w negocjacjach, ktorych to ustalen Izrael nie dotrzymal (bo mu zal bylo tych 2%)
G.

..........Nie bedzie PLOstiny....

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Never

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> Never

A mnie co zalezy? Nie zalezy mi ani na Palestynie, ani na Izraelu.
Jedyny powod, dla ktorego zabieram glos, to nachalna, proizraelska propaganda. I przekonanie, ze Izraelowi sie
nalezy, a my wszyscy mamy sie z tym pokornie zgodzic.
G.

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> Gość portalu: :///\\\: napisał(a):
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> > Never
>
> A mnie co zalezy? Nie zalezy mi ani na Palestynie, ani na Izraelu.
> Jedyny powod, dla ktorego zabieram glos, to nachalna, proizraelska propaganda.
> I przekonanie, ze Izraelowi sie
> nalezy, a my wszyscy mamy sie z tym pokornie zgodzic.
> G.

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Dobrze ze masz swoje zdanie mimo iz temat cie nie interesuje...:)))

[Gość: Abdul]

Jak udalo mi sie stwierdzic (jezeli sie znowu nie myle)studiowalismy na tym
samym wydziale tyle ,ze w innym czasie.
Chcialbym zapytac czy wasz prof, SE B....ski tez pochodzi z Polski czy tez to
juz kolejne pokolenie.
A

[Gość: Gumisie]

Gość portalu: Abdul napisał(a):

> Jak udalo mi sie stwierdzic (jezeli sie znowu nie myle)studiowalismy na tym
> samym wydziale tyle ,ze w innym czasie.
> Chcialbym zapytac czy wasz prof, SE B....ski tez pochodzi z Polski czy tez to
> juz kolejne pokolenie.

Kolejne pokolenie.
Może i studiowalismy, kto to wie... :-)
G.

[Gość: Abdul]

Pan to wie i ja
Dzieli nas ponad 20 lat ale mamy wspolnych znajomych.
Zycze sukcesow.
A

Twoja ignorancja jest bezdenna

[werw]

Wymagany jest pewien minimalny poziom znajomości tematu, inaczej lepiej się nie
odzywać pod rygorem ośmieszenia się> Ja np. nie zabieram głosu w sprawach
chemii bo zwyczajnie nie mam nic do powiedzenia, a nawet mógłbym zrobić z
siebie durnia

[Gość: Gumisie]

werw napisał(a):

> Wymagany jest pewien minimalny poziom znajomości tematu, inaczej lepiej się nie
>
> odzywać pod rygorem ośmieszenia się> Ja np. nie zabieram głosu w sprawach
> chemii bo zwyczajnie nie mam nic do powiedzenia, a nawet mógłbym zrobić z
> siebie durnia

Masz cos więcej do powiedzenia, czy tylko bluzgi?
G.

[Gość: Tipi]

Izrael nie potrzebuje obronnych granic. Izraelczycy Zydzi i Palestynczycy
potrzebyja uczyc sie tolerowac jedni drugich. Obronne granice nic nie dadza.
Po jednej i drugiej stronie granicy, jest nieufnosc, zazdrosc, nienawisc,
nietolerancja, chciwosc, absolutna zniewaga przeciwnika, klamliwa propaganda...
Pokonajcie te przeszkody. Zyj i pozwol innym zyc. To poszerzanie granic, jak
Pan Netanjahu opisuje, a najwiecej na ten temat mowi, rzekomo w celu lepszej
obrony Izraela to jest "LAME EXCUSE". Tu chodzi o odebranie Palestynczykom
Judei i Samarii. Nie zamydlajcie oczu reszcie swiata, Zydki. "Live And Let
Live".