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Rumsfeld must go !!! Rebelia generalow ,...

11.04.06, 18:39
Czwarty general w ciagu 3-ch tygodni, tego jeszcze nie bylo w trakcie wojny.

Czas zdjac klapki z oczu Mr. President bo za rogiem nastepna, tym razem
czynnych generalow na przebakiwanie o ataku atomowym na obiekty iranskie,...

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Colin Powell Criticizes Rumsfeld on Iraq
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Former Secretary of State Colin Powell has joined the list of prominent
figures speaking out bluntly against Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s
handling of the war in Iraq.

A number of Powell’s old colleagues have already gone on the record voicing
their concerns about the war in Iraq.

On April 2, the former general in charge of central command, Anthony Zinni,
called on Rumsfeld to resign because of a "series of disastrous mistakes."

Former Lt. General Greg Newbold, who resigned from the military in 2002 in
large part due to his opposition to the Iraq war, writes in this week’s issue
of Time magazine that the conflict is "an unnecessary war” and calls for, "as
a first step, replacing Rumsfeld and many others unwilling to change their
approach.”

In mid-March, a third retired general, Paul Eaton – who was in charge of
training Iraqi troops – wrote an op-ed piece for the New York Times also
calling on Rumsfeld to resign.



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    • i-love-2-ski Re: Rumsfeld must go !!! Rebelia generalow ,... 11.04.06, 18:55
      e tam ten koles zostanie do konca,aby dalej grac na skrzypcach tonacego
      tytanika.nie polecial za skandal z wiezniami,ostanie sie i teraz,ale dobrze,ze
      zaczyna sie debata,bo co poniektorzy juz przebiareaja nogami aby nowa zadyme
      zaczac,wiadomo kto za tym stoi bo pelno ich na tym forum,tych chorych
      degeneratow wierzacych w wojny.
      • explicit Re: Rumsfeld must go !!! Rebelia generalow ,... 11.04.06, 19:27
        Coraz czesciej mam watpliwosci co do kompetencji tej administracji ,...

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        e tam ten koles zostanie do konca ,...
        • i-love-2-ski Re: Rumsfeld must go !!! Rebelia generalow ,... 11.04.06, 19:30
          explicit napisał:

          > Coraz czesciej mam watpliwosci co do kompetencji tej administracji ,...
          >
          > a ty kiedys wierzyles w nich?
          • explicit Re: Rumsfeld must go !!! Rebelia generalow ,... 11.04.06, 19:47
            Postawilem na niego pare chips liczac na school choice i vauchers , przestalem
            stawiac jak zobaczylem kim obstawia cabinets i z jaka agenda ,...

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            a ty kiedys wierzyles w nich?
          • meerkat1 Re: Rumsfeld must go !!! Rebelia generalow:-))) 12.04.06, 15:30
            Zeby generalowie mogli sie zbuntowac musieliby byc w sluzbie CZYNNEJ.

            Dokonac rebelii w stanie spoczynku raczej trudno!

            Zwlaszcza, jesli o istnieniu takiej rebelii informuje...Seymour Hersh. :-)

            P.S. Nie zdziwie sie jesli przeczytam, ze gen. McArthur wstal z grobu w
            protescie przeciwko nieudolnosci Pentagonu w Iraku, domagajac sie, jak to mial
            w zwyczaju, skutecznego rozwiazania problemu przy pomocy broni nuklearnej.
            [problemu IraNu, przy okazji, toze.]
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            "DONIESIENIA O MOJEJ SMIERCI SA MOCNO PRZESADZONE!" (Mark Twain)
            • explicit Re: Rumsfeld must go !!! Rebelia generalow:-))) 12.04.06, 16:00
              General Newbold twierdzi ze generalowie w sluzbie czynnej i w gronie Joint
              Chiefs of Staff sa stanowczo przeciwni uzycia broni jadrowej ,...

              Pozatym mamy pewien progress w Iraq'u - Pare dni temu na car-bomb uzyto naszej
              produkcji Hum-wee nalezacego do Irackich Sil Zbrojnych a wczoraj 2005 Mustang GT
              a nie jakis tani zlom made in Japan czy w Korea ,...

              Budujacy zwrot , co ???

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              Zeby generalowie mogli sie zbuntowac musieliby byc w sluzbie CZYNNEJ.
              • meerkat1 Ahmedinejad must go !!! Rebelia generalow:-))) 12.04.06, 16:12
                Ja natomiast slysze, ze w rosyjskim MON-ie niektorzy generalowie nie sa
                przeciwni uzyciu broni jadrowej.

                Np. przeciw Iranowi!

                W Moskwie mamy pewien progres. :-)
    • explicit I nie tylko generalowie ,... 11.04.06, 21:52
      Newt byl przeciwny dominacji neocons i inwazji Iraq'u , dlatego profilaktycznie
      podlozono mu swinie ,...

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      Newt Gingrich Wants U.S. Out of Iraq
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      By E&P Staff - April 11, 2006 10:55 AM ET

      NEW YORK The Argus-Leader of Sioux-Falls, S.D. was on the scene Monday to
      report that Newt Gingrich, the former Republican Speaker of the House, had told
      students and faculty at the University of South Dakota that the United States
      should pull out of Iraq and leave only a small force there, just as it did post-
      war in Korea and Germany.

      "It was an enormous mistake for us to try to occupy that country after June of
      2003," Gingrich said during an informal question-and-answer session at the
      school, according to the newspaper. "We have to pull back, and we have to
      recognize it."

      Gingrich was greeted with a standing ovation when he appeared at the school for
      the inaugural Edmund Burke Lecture, named after a man who is often called the
      father of modern conservatism.

      "We are at one of those great intersections in history when we as a people are
      going to have to have a great conversation with each other," Gingrich said.

      www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?
      vnu_content_id=1002315209


      • i-love-2-ski Re: I nie tylko generalowie ,... 11.04.06, 21:54
        nie mam szacunku do Newta,wiesz za co. klania sie i wchodzi w.. bez wazeliny,a
        teraz udaje wielkiego postepowego mysliciela. tfu
        • explicit Re: I nie tylko generalowie ,... 11.04.06, 22:41
          To nie zmienaia faktu , rachel - Mnie wystarczy ze oparl sie namowom i ze z
          wlasnej inicjatywy wyperswadowal Clinton'wi zeby zignorowal sugestie tej zgrai .

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          January 26, 1998

          The Honorable William J. Clinton
          President of the United States
          Washington, DC

          Dear Mr. President:

          We urge you to articulate this aim, and to turn your Administration's attention
          to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power. This will
          require a full complement of diplomatic, political and military efforts.
          Although we are fully aware of the dangers and difficulties in implementing
          this policy, we believe the dangers of failing to do so are far greater.

          Sincerely,

          Elliott Abrams , Richard L. Armitage , William J. Bennett , Jeffrey Bergner
          John Bolton , Paula Dobriansky , Francis Fukuyama , Robert Kagan , Zalmay
          Khalilzad , William Kristol , Richard Perle , Peter W. Rodman , Donald Rumsfeld
          William Schneider, Jr. Vin Weber , Paul Wolfowitz , R. James Woolsey , Robert
          B. Zoelnick ,...

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          nie mam szacunku do Newta,wiesz za co. klania sie i wchodzi w.. bez wazeliny,a
          teraz udaje wielkiego postepowego mysliciela. tfu
          • meerkat1 Re: I nie tylko generalowie ,... 12.04.06, 15:34
            Zoelnik, to nie ten aktor! :-)
    • goldbaum Rumsfeld im jeszcze wszystkim pokaze ! 12.04.06, 09:52
      ... - jak Der Fuehrer!
      Der Fuehrera tez generalowie krytykowali i co? Wszystkim im pokazal:
      Podbil Polske, podbil Francje i doszedl az pod Stalingrad, gdzie zostal
      zdradzony przez 6 armie.
      • explicit Re: Rumsfeld im jeszcze wszystkim pokaze ! 12.04.06, 14:38
        C'mon , goldie , 6 Armia byla wyczerpana fizycznie , otoczona , bez mozliwosci
        uzupelnienia prowiantu , broni , amunicji i sprzetu . Jedyna rozsadna decyzje
        jaka Paulus mogl podjac to ratowac ci sie da , poddajac sie Ruskim ,...

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        doszedl az pod Stalingrad, gdzie zostal zdradzony przez 6 armie.



        • goldbaum Re: Rumsfeld im jeszcze wszystkim pokaze ! 12.04.06, 16:23
          explicit napisał:

          > C'mon , goldie , 6 Armia byla wyczerpana fizycznie , otoczona ,

          Tak jak teraz narod amerykanski po kilku latach Iraku...
          • explicit Re: Rumsfeld im jeszcze wszystkim pokaze ! 12.04.06, 17:14
            Chyba tak , a disapproval rate obecnej administracji bije wszelkie mozliwe
            rekordy - Jak nic sie nie zmieni to niedlugo tylko felusiak im zostanie ,...

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            Tak jak teraz narod amerykanski po kilku latach Iraku...

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            Bush's Disapproval Rating Hits 60 Percent, Worst of Any President!
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            4/11/06 | POLLS

            President Bush has reached the lowest approval rating of any president as his
            disapproval rating is averaging almost 60 percent among Americans.

            Immigration issues, the war in Iraq, rising gasoline prices, a growing
            dissatisfaction among his base are all said to be factors in the dismal
            figures ,...

          • meerkat1 Feldmarszalek von Rumsfeld o Francuzach! 12.04.06, 17:35
            "ISC NA WOJNE BEZ FRANCUZOW TO JAK ISC POLOWAC NA JELENIE BEZ AKORDEONU!"

            No, ale latwo Rummy'emu o tromtadracje jak sie ma zagwarantowane tajne
            kierowanie ogniem przez agentow BND na terytorium npla.
            Niemcy nie bez kozery slyna z precyzji i sumiennosci. :-)))
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            "WOLE MIEC NIEMIECKA DYWIZJE PRZED SOBA NIZ FRANCUSKA Z TYLU!" (gen. G. Patton)
            • meerkat1 Ratings and polls...:-))) 12.04.06, 17:40
              Czy moge poprosic o aktualne dane nt popularnosci pp. Chiraca, Villepina,
              Zapatero, Paroubka?

              Zdaje sobie sprawe, ze na wiarygodne dane nt popularnosci pp. Kim Jong-ila i
              Fidela Castro nie moge raczej liczyc.
              • explicit Re: Ratings and polls...:-))) 12.04.06, 18:46
                Co mnie pp. Chirac , Villepin , Zapatero czy Paroubka obchodza ????

                A kto to jest ten caly Paroubka i skad ???

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                Czy moge poprosic o aktualne dane nt popularnosci pp. Chiraca, Villepina,
                Zapatero, Paroubka?



                • meerkat1 Re: Ratings and polls...:-))) 12.04.06, 20:13
                  Ano, bo jak chcesz porownac popularnosc "W" z innymi przywodcami...:-)

                  Paroubek, to socjalistyczny premier Czech.
                  Jeszcze przez moment.
                  • explicit Re: Ratings and polls...:-))) 12.04.06, 21:03
                    What the hell's Czech ??? To samo zapyta cie przecietny six-pack-joe - Dig it ?
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                    Paroubek, to socjalistyczny premier Czech.


                    Przezydenta Reagan'a nie musialem z nikim porownywac , wiedzial co robi - Czy
                    obecny wie , nie jestem pewny ,...
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                    Ano, bo jak chcesz porownac popularnosc "W" z innymi przywodcami...:-)

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                    • gspnstr Re: Ratings and polls...:-))) 12.04.06, 21:43
                      > Przezydenta Reagan'a nie musialem z nikim porownywac , wiedzial co robi - Czy
                      > obecny wie , nie jestem pewny ,...

                      Jak to sie niedawno wyrazil Bill Maher, gdy jego gosc zasugerowal, ze W wiedzial
                      o ataku na WTC jeszcze przed atakiem: "See, I disagree... I think he din't know
                      about it even AFTER the attack" :o)
                      • meerkat1 Re: Ratings and polls...:-))) 13.04.06, 13:11
                        Prez. Busha Budzi wczesnym rankiem 9/11 telefon.

                        Prez. Putin dzwoni by wyrazic mu glebokie ubolewanie z powodu zniszczenia WTC.

                        -Alez WTC nadal stoi! - dziwi sie "W".

                        Pplk Wsadz mruczy: Yob twoju mat'! O roznicy czasu zapomnialem!


                        NB za pare dni 20 rocznica "niewielkiej awarii technicznej" w Czarnobylu. :-(((
                        • explicit Re: Ratings and polls...:-))) 13.04.06, 14:48
                          Heheh , zdazylem wywiezc corke z Polski pare miesiecy wczesniej . Mozesz sie
                          tylko domyslac z kim masz przyjemnosc :)))

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                          NB za pare dni 20 rocznica "niewielkiej awarii technicznej" w Czarnobylu. :-(((
      • marouder Re: Rumsfeld im jeszcze wszystkim pokaze ! 12.04.06, 16:34
        Ty goldie robisz za wrozke odnosnie Rumsfelda?
        Pamietam fragment piosenki z pewnego przesmiewczego muzikalu:
        Lecialo to jakos tak:

        Spring time for Hitler and Germany
        Winter for Poland and France....

        mozna ja jak nic przerobic na:

        Springtime for Rumsfeld and USA.
        Winter for Iraqis and France:)
        • goldbaum Pelna wersja 12.04.06, 17:36
          To lecialo tak:

          Spring time for Hitler and Germany
          Winter for Poland and France....
          Autumn for Stalingrad


          mozna ja jak nic przerobic na:

          Springtime for Rumsfeld and USA.
          Winter for Iraqis and France
          Autumn for Iran :-)
          • meerkat1 Re: Pelna wersja 12.04.06, 17:43
            goldbaum napisal: Autumn for Iran :-)


            Moze tez byc: "Nuclear winter for Iran"

            NB na dniach 20 rocznica "niewielkiej awarii techniczej" w Czarnobylu, ktorego
            konstruktorzy buduja teraz ayatollahom reaktory w Busher, Natanz i Isfahan.
            • goldbaum Re: Pelna wersja 12.04.06, 17:52
              meerkat1 napisał:

              > Moze tez byc: "Nuclear winter for Iran"

              Tak czy tak bylby to "Stalingrad for USA"
              • meerkat1 Re: Pelna wersja 12.04.06, 18:02
                No i dlatego trzeba dokonac ataku prewencyjnego wczesniej: w wersji Niepelnej.

                Wtedy moze np. dojsc tylko do Oswiecenia" w Iranie.

                NB Na dniach 20 rocznica "niewielkiej awarii technicznej w Czarnobylu".

                Ciekawe czy i jak odnotuja ja rezymowe media w Teheranie....
    • explicit Re: Rumsfeld must go !!! Rebelia generalow ,... 14.04.06, 20:08
      Heheh , robi siem gwarno ,...

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      More US generals turn on Rumsfeld
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      Staff and agencies Friday April 14, 2006

      Two more retired US generals called overnight on Donald Rumsfeld to resign as
      US defence secretary, adding to a deepening rift within the Pentagon.
      Six generals - two of whom commanded troops in Iraq - have now called on Mr
      Rumsfeld to stand down over his leadership of the war.

      Retired Major General Charles Swannack, who led the 82nd Airborne Division in
      Iraq, said Mr Rumsfeld, 73, had "micromanaged the generals who are leading our
      forces".

      He told CNN: "I really believe that we need a new secretary of defence because
      Secretary Rumsfeld carries way too much baggage with him."
      Retired Major General John Riggs told National Public Radio that Mr Rumsfeld
      had helped create an atmosphere of "arrogance" among the Pentagon's civilian
      leadership. "They only need the military advice when it satisfies their agenda.
      I think that's a mistake, and that's why I think he should resign," he said.

      Earlier this week retired Major General John Batiste, who led the 1st Infantry
      Division in Iraq from 2004 until last year, said Mr Rumsfeld's authoritarian
      leadership style had made life more difficult for professional soldiers.

      "We need leadership up there that respects the military as they expect the
      military to respect them. And the leadership needs to understand teamwork," he
      told CNN on Wednesday.

      His comments were especially startling because he served as an aide to Paul
      Wolfowitz, the former deputy defence secretary and an architect of the Iraq war.

      www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1754096,00.html
      • meerkat1 "Noc generalow" 14.04.06, 20:21
        W stanie spoczynku! :-)
        • explicit Re: "Noc generalow" 14.04.06, 20:31
          Tu dlaczego w stanie spoczynku ???

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          Why Few Top Military Officers Resign on Principle
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          Candor or Career?

          By Col. DAN SMITH

          Richard Cohen's April 11 column in the Washington Post ("Vietnam's Forgotten
          Lessons") focuses on the relatively rare public criticism by retired general
          officers of anything associated with military service--especially of any
          operation in which hostile fire might be directed at U.S. forces.

          The retired flag-rank officers--Marine General Anthony Zini, who ran Central
          Command which is responsible for operations in Afghanistan and Iraq; Marine
          Lieutenant General Gregory Newbold, the Operations Officer for the Joint Staff
          (J-3) until three months before the Iraq invasion began; Army Major General
          Paul Eton, chief of Iraqi security forces training efforts; and then on April
          13, Army Major General Batiste, commanding general of the 1st Infantry Division
          in Iraq in 2004-2005--all called for President Bush to fire Secretary of
          Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

          In subsequent interviews, Zini asserts that the unformed services are "broken."
          In itself, this is not a revelation--except that Zini doesn't mean "broken" as
          in equipment or structure or unit morale. Zini sees the breakdown in moral
          terms, with senior officers so concerned about their careers that they refuse
          to oppose operations that they know are ill-conceived. The fate of Army Chief
          of Staff Eric Shinseki is always "Exhibit A" anytime the subject of "candor or
          career" is raised. (Shinseki, who had opposed an early Rumsfeld plan to
          eliminate two army divisions, was effectively marginalized for the last half of
          his tenure as Chief off Staff after telling Congress that a few hundred
          thousand ground troops would be needed to occupy and pacify Iraq, an assessment
          that both Rumsfeld and his deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, ridiculed.)

          www.counterpunch.org/smith04142006.html
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          W stanie spoczynku! :-)
          • i-love-2-ski Re: "Noc generalow" 14.04.06, 20:35
            nasz wuc juz sie wypowiedzial,chwali rumswelda jak ty felusiaka,az sie niedobrze
            robi. im wiekszy smrod tym lepiej dla kraju i wyborcow,bo ten arogancki i
            bezczelny typ juz dawno powinien poleciec za brak wizji i nieudolnosc.
    • thannatos Rummy is OK 15.04.06, 02:46

      On wie jak nalezy postepowac z tymi niedobrymi "towelheads"

      www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12319090/
      • meerkat1 Re: Rummy is OK- oswiadczyl wlasnie prez. Bush 15.04.06, 18:47
        A poniewaz, w przeciwienstwie do w.wym. generalow, Bush nie jest w stanie
        spoczynku, to oni moga tera Rummy'emu ... :-)

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