must and have to - the differences!

[Gość: plus]

can you tell me what's the difference between have to and must???

[Gość: chickenShorts]

Gość portalu: plus napisał(a):

> can you tell me what's the difference between have to and must???

Difference between the MUST and HAVE TO:
- in the affirmative: 'must' expresses an obligation imposed by the speaker
while 'have to' - an external one! For instance: 'I must post this letter.'
but 'I have to join the army'. If the speaker approves or adds his support,
MUST can be used: 'Children must obey their parents (speaker thinks so).

- in the interrogative: IT IS ALWAYS SAFE TO USE 'HAVE TO'

Must you go? = Do you have to go? = Have you got to go?

[Gość: wacko jacko]

Vey well chickeshorts. Now tell us about the tenses.

[chickenshorts]

Shabat shalom, Wacko!

[Gość: wacko jacko]

Al Salam Alejkum, chick.

I don& & #35 8217;t see any difference

[kingfish]

Gość portalu: plus napisał(a):

> can you tell me what's the difference between have to and must???


I don’t see any difference

“I must post this letter” has the same meaning as “I have to post this letter”

But what do I know??

[Gość: al]

Gość portalu: plus napisał(a):

> can you tell me what's the difference between have to and must???

According to me, it's similarly like in Polish:

I must visit him. Muszę go odwiedzić. Mus zależy to od mówiącego.

I have to do some shopping. Mam zrobić zakupy (ktoś mnie do tego zobowiązał).

[Gość: Kingfish]

Gość portalu: al napisał(a):

> Gość portalu: plus napisał(a):
>
> > can you tell me what's the difference between have to and must???
>
> According to me, it's similarly like in Polish:
>
> I must visit him. Muszę go odwiedzić. Mus zależy to od mówiącego.

Must zalezy od mowiacego poniewaz napisales "I"


You must visit him,. Nie zalezy od mowiacego i ktos cie do tego zobowiazuje.

A wiec pytanie jest czy jest jakas roznica miedzy: "I must visit him" i "I have
to visit him"?

moim skromnym zdaniem, nie.

[Gość: awalk]

Chick's right. You must turn left means I order you to turn left. You have to turn left means e.g. there is a left turn traffic sign telling you to turn left. However, you don't need to observe this rule religiously ('have to' instead of 'must' is also correct) except for some English tests.

[kingfish]

I think it is identical to polish “musisz” i “masz”.
Ty musisz to zrobic

Ty masz to zrobic

One could argue 2nd has less urgent connotation but I thing they are still
interchangeable.

Simple change in my tone of voice could make either one more urgent than the
other and I don't think there are any written rules that could help us.
pzdr

[wannabekiwi]

"Have to" jest ekwiwalentem "must". Must jest czasownikiem ulomnym, odmienia
sie jedynie w czasie terazniejszym, pozostale czasy i formy wyraza sie
uzywajac "have to".
I must go i I have to go znaczy to samo i uzywa sie ich wymiennie, chociaz
jesli uzyjesz "must" to polozysz wiekszy nacisk na to, ze juz musisz isc. W
USA/Kanadzie czesciej i tak uslyszysz I have to niz I must bez wzgledu na to
jak bardzo musisz juz isc.
W formie przeczacej must oznacza zakaz: He mustn't come here. Nie wolno mu
tu przyjsc.

[Gość: chickenShorts]

kingfish:
>I don’t see any difference

>"I must post this letter" has the same meaning as "I have to post this letter"

>But what do I know??<


Kingfish, to be cheerful and self-deprecating at the same time is a great
ability... Let's see, what can be done with this letter, still in your hand...

Right! Imagine that a linguistic purist hears you say "I have to post this
letter"... What will he make out of it, being concerned with purity of language
that purists usually display. Well, he will decide that posting letters is
your duty, part of your job, for instance... or that you are not a purist, just
like me. But I still say 'I must' when I feel it's high time the letter got
posted...

[kingfish]

Gość portalu: chickenShorts napisał(a):

> kingfish:
> >I don’t see any difference
>
> >"I must post this letter" has the same meaning as "I have to post this lett
> er"
>
> >But what do I know??<
>
>
> Kingfish, to be cheerful and self-deprecating at the same time is a great
> ability... Let's see, what can be done with this letter, still in your hand...
>
> Right! Imagine that a linguistic purist hears you say "I have to post this
> letter"... What will he make out of it, being concerned with purity of
language
>
> that purists usually display. Well, he will decide that posting letters is
> your duty, part of your job, for instance... or that you are not a purist,
just
>
> like me. But I still say 'I must' when I feel it's high time the letter got
> posted...


I fully understand how you see the difference between must and have. I almost
buy into it but I only go by what sounds right to me. There maybe
an “intentional” difference between those two words somewhere in rules of
English language but I can only go by what I know which is what sounds and/or
feels right to me. Most of the time participating in this forum, answering
questions, I can’t even explain why my answer is correct. Languages were
never my strong subjects and although I went through required English courses
in American high school and college, I am more of a technical person who to
this day still relies heavily on spell check and/or secretary at work rather
then my own spelling ability. What I am trying to say is that in this case I am
not convinced either way and I will not argue with a great deal of conviction.

Pzdr

must and have to

[Gość: Keyser Soze]

Mr Shorts is on the ball. In this example with posting a letter, this
obligation probably came from someone else, you'd probably say "I have to post
this letter. On the other hand, maybe it's such an important letter to you that
you 'internalise' the obligation, in which case a native speaker would say "I
must post this letter."

'Have to' is much more common because of the way society works - rules come
from outside.

Poles overuse 'must', which is quite understandable, because it looks like the
Polish verb. The danger is that native speakers misunderstand where the
obligation is coming from, e.g. "You must give the host a bottle of vodka" -
This sounds like it's coming from the speaker. The end result is that Natives
assume the Polish speaker is expressing their own obligation (and sounding
stroppy), not expressing social obligation.

Splitting the hair

[Gość: wacko jacko]

In the british English there might be a huge difference between 'must'
and 'have to'. I am not qualified to voice my opinion. I have none.
In the american English 'must' and 'have to' are interchangeable.

For Brits the words 'sick' and 'ill' have different meaning.
For Americans these are just two different words with the same meaning.

Example: I might be ill but I am definitely not sick.