fonetyka - help!

[Gość: Andie]

Zwracam się do studentów filologii angielskiej lub osób które mają coś do
czynienia z fonetyką angielską!
Mam jeden maleńki problemik dotyczący fonetyki angielskiej :( Macie może
jakiś sposób, jak można nauczyć się transkrypcji w szybki i skuteczny
sposób, zwłaszcza chodzi mi o to, jak wyczuć gdzie ma być schwa, kiedy mid
open "o" a kiedy mid closed itd. Może znacie jakiś serwis internetowy
poświęcony tym "przecudnym" zagadnieniom? Będę Wam dźwięczna za wszelką
pomoc :)

[Gość: Tamtejszy]

Poszperaj po
www.m-w.com
tam te rzeczy są nawet z wymową.

www.webster.com

[soup_nazi]

Kazde slowo ma plik dzwiekowy. Klikasz i slyszysz prawidlowa wymowe. To jest
American English raczej niz British.

[Gość: Withnail]

Czytać słownik - nie ma innej rady.

[Gość: B.]

Try at www.antimoon.com/terms/phonemic_transcription.htm
www.antimoon.com/how/pronunc-trans.htm

[Gość: Andie]

thx for your links :D
but I have one problem which is particularly difficult for me. How to
distinguish long e from schwa and short e and the same thing with o :) I'd be
grateful for any help :)

[Gość: Tamtejszy]

Listen, hear, check dictionaries for pronounciation guides.

[Gość: B.]

Long e [3:] occurs in accented syllable while schwa in unaccented. Compare bird
['b3:d] with teacher ['ti:cz__ ] with schwa at the end in the unaccented
syllable. Long e [3:] often appears when "r" follows. Of course this "r" is not
pronounced in English but the tongue is a bit "rolled up" while pronouncing
it . I must admit that I am not an expert on phonetics but I find it this way.

[soup_nazi]

Gość portalu: B. napisał(a):

> Long e [3:] occurs in accented syllable while schwa in unaccented. Compare
bird
>
> ['b3:d] with teacher ['ti:cz__ ] with schwa at the end in the unaccented
> syllable. Long e [3:] often appears when "r" follows. Of course this "r" is
not
>
> pronounced in English but the tongue is a bit "rolled up" while pronouncing
> it . I must admit that I am not an expert on phonetics but I find it this way.

Yeah, right. Just a quick review of the above each time you want to emit one of
those sounds and you are on the safe side, hehehe. Listen, listen to educated
native speakers and it'll come, sooner or later. A jesli masz debowe ucho do
jezykow, to i tak ci nic nie pomoze.

[Gość: Helper]

How much time does it take you to say one word? Do you recall those rules
before you say something or after, and then correct yourself afterwards?
We are talking about spoken language here, I believe.

W dobie mp3. Jestes smieszny

[Gość: 100GB]

[Gość: loczki]

It's comes naturally..
I can't imagine studying it...

[chickenshorts]

>Zwracam się do studentów filologii angielskiej lub osób które mają coś do
>czynienia z fonetyką angielską!
>Mam jeden maleńki problemik dotyczący fonetyki angielskiej :( Macie może
>jakiś sposób, jak można nauczyć się transkrypcji w szybki i skuteczny
>sposób, zwłaszcza chodzi mi o to, jak wyczuć gdzie ma być schwa, kiedy mid
>open "o" a kiedy mid closed itd. Może znacie jakiś serwis internetowy
>poświęcony tym "przecudnym" zagadnieniom? Będę Wam dźwięczna za wszelką
>pomoc :)

Andie, the best thing in the phonetics department I've recently come across is
undoubtedly '"How Now, Brown Cow?" A Course in the Pronunciation of English.'
by M. Ponsonby. It's briliant! Three cassets + a book that takes care of
pronunciation of words as well as sentence rythm and few other things. Highly
recommend.

[Gość: Andie]

thx for your answers
What about difference between "e" transcribed [ae] like in a word "hat" [haet]
and "e" for example "bed" [bed]? Is then [e] the same sound as [3] or what's
the difference? Can you provide me with a clue how I can learn to
distinguish "o" in "boy" from "o" in "bow" (pronounced with the meaning "łuk")?
Thanx
@chickenshorts - is it a special course helping in developing skills such as
transcription too?

[Gość: Withnail]

Maybe you should try reading a book by Reszkiewicz "Correct English". There
you've got all sorts of diagrams and explanations how the sounds are produced
(with transcription). And "How Now Brown Cow?" (by Mimi Ponsonby) is a book
strictly for learning proper pronunciation - transcription of a sound and a
short explanation of how it's made and a lot of examples.

[Gość: B.]

How do I distinguish between [ae] and [e]? Take "bad" and "bed" as the
example. In "bad" - in its written form you have "a" there and you pronounce it
as [ae]. In "bed" in "e" is written there and it's pronounced as [e] - so
called "smiling e" as far as I remember.
cash [kaesz], bat[baet], cat [kaet],
but pet, vet, pen, ....

[yoric]

The advice I give to students:

always check transcriptuion when you learn a new word... You will be amazed at
how often words are pronounced in an unexpected way. Checking pronunciation - a
very useful habit.
As to the 'pronunciation proper' - get ANY book with a cassette. It should be
an exercise book, as theoretical descriptions will be secondary in your case.
Then repeat, repeat, repeat.
When you have maastered the sounds in isolation, it is immensely useful to
IMITATE (not simply repeat, but imitate accurately) phrases from BBC or audio
books. Don't worry if they sound different from the phonemic transcription -
just say them as you hear them.

Final thing - there is no 'o' sound in RP version of 'go', 'home', 'bow' etc.
It is also useful to make a disctinction between (General) American English and
RP, which (I mean RP) is the standard, though not the only, version of British
English.
rgdz

[butter_fly]

Where do you teach yoric? Can I be your student?

[Gość: krak]