I Kurojedow poleciał...

[dreaded88]

Wedle PAP został zdymisjonowany i jednocześnie zwolniony z wojska. A niektórzy przewidywali raczej wersję soft - wysłanie na emeryturę ze względów zdrowotnych.

Jaka szkoda

[Gość: A.L.]

... "nagroda" za całokształt, czy jakaś kolejna wpadka złotoustego admirała??

[Gość: zwiadowca]

fakty.interia.pl/swiat/news?inf=663035
Putin zdymisjonował dowódcę floty
04.09.2005 19:02
Prezydent Władimir Putin zdymisjonował w niedzielę naczelnego dowódcę
rosyjskiej floty, admirała Władimira Kurojedowa zwalniając go też z wojska -
poinformował Kreml.

Dymisja nastąpiła po incydencie z sierpnia, kiedy to z miniokręt AS-28 "Priz"
uwiązł na Morzu Beringa u wybrzeży Kamczatki zaplątany w liny podwodnej anteny
radiolokacyjnej i sieci rybackie. Siedmioosobową załogę wydobyto na
powierzchnię po czterech dniach, głównie dzięki brytyjskim ratownikom.

Kurojedow przewodził marynarce wojennej i wówczas, gdy w 2000 r. doszło do
tragedii okrętu podwodnego "Kursk", w której zginęło 118 marynarzy.

W ubiegłym roku spore zamieszanie wywołała wypowiedź admirała Kurojedowa, który
oświadczył, że rosyjski krążownik atomowy jest w tak złym stanie technicznym,
że może "eksplodować w każdej chwili". Jeszcze tego samego dnia admirał
zdementował informacje, jakoby krążownik stanowił potencjalne zagrożenie dla
swej załogi i otoczenia.

Nowym naczelnym dowódcą rosyjskiej marynarki wojennej został admirał Władimir
Masorin - dotychczasowy pierwszy zastępca naczelnego dowódcy


Jak dla to bardzo dziwna logika - nie wylecial po katastrofie Kurska i
mataczeniu z tym zwiazanym, wylatuje teraz, kiedy flota zachowala sie w
wzglednie przyzwoicie. A haslo o Piotrze Wielkim? Prawda w oczy kole...

[michalgajzler]

W Kommersancie zwlekanie z dymisją Kurojedowa tłumaczą brakami kadrowymi - może
to być jakieś wytłumaczenie... Choć prawde mówiąc powinien polecieć sporo wcześniej.

[michalgajzler]

dreaded88 napisał:

> Wedle PAP został zdymisjonowany i jednocześnie zwolniony z wojska. A niektórzy
> przewidywali raczej wersję soft - wysłanie na emeryturę ze względów zdrowotnych
> .

Wersja oficjalna;-) Kommersanta brzmi tak:
"Yesterday, Vladimir Putin terminated Vladimir Kuroedov from the position of
Head Commander of Russian Navy and discharged him from the military service
because of his age.(...)
Nieoficjalna wiadomo;-), a wisiała nad nim podobno już od lipca:

"As Kommersant sources in the Defense Ministry insist, the final decision to
fire Kuroedov from the naval Head Commander position was made a month ago. On
July 30, during the rehearsal of the parade in St. Petersburg’s Neva River
commemorating the Day of the Navy, the sailors with the training mine almost
sunk the flagship of the parade "Neukrotimy." The little sub AS-28, which sunk
near Kamchatka in the beginning of the August gave the president additional
reason for the termination decision."

Cóż, jakikolwiek był powód bezpośredni (a sporo się ich pewnie uzbierało;-) to
Kurojedow poleciał. Któż nas teraz będzie raczył takimi cudownymi wypowiedziami...
A i jego następca zbyt długo stanowiska piastował nie będzie ze względu na
wiek...Kommersant prorokuje mu 2-3 lata i już typuje następcę.

[dreaded88]

Najlepsze będzie, jak opublikuje pamiętniki albo coś takiego. Z tym, że ryzykowałby zanurzenie się równie głęboko jak AS-28.

[michalgajzler]

dreaded88 napisał:

> Najlepsze będzie, jak opublikuje pamiętniki albo coś takiego. Z tym, że ryzykow
> ałby zanurzenie się równie głęboko jak AS-28.

No coż... doświadczenie ze zbyt "rozmownymi" wysokimi rangą oficerami floty już
mają;-). Mormuł trafił za kratki bez sądu - aczkolwiak to były lata 80-te. Teraz
możnaby jakąś pokazówkę zrobić (co już ćwiczono, oskarżyć o szpiegowanie dla
Bellony albo coś takiego;-))).

Rzucili go kurom na pożarcie.

[wujcio44]

o planach, buławie, boreju, czerw. październiku ..

[Gość: A.L.]

MOSCOW. (Yuri Zaitsev for RIA Novosti.) Somewhere under the Atlantic, a Soviet
sub commander has just made a fateful decision. The Red October is heading
West. The Americans want her. The Russians want her back. And the most
incredible chase in history is on...

This synopsis of novelist Tom Clancy's first novel, written in 1984, "The Hunt
for Red October," leads us into the super secret world of submarines and their
lethal weapons. The nuclear tipped Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM).
Submarine-launched ballistic missiles, once the Soviet Unions' most formidable
cold war deterrent, date back to September 16, 1955, when the small diesel
submarine B-67 (Project 611 Zulu) surface- launched the world-first R-11FM (SS-
1 Scud) missile, designed by Sergei Korolev, the architect of the Soviet space
program.

Four years later, several torpedo submarines were upgraded for the missiles
that soon gave way to the new R-13s (SS-N-4 Sark) - missiles that Western
defense experts were quick to dismiss as hopelessly lagging behind the U.S.
counterpart Polaris A1. At the same launch weight, they said, the Polaris was
effective at 2,200 km, while the Soviet missile only at 650 km.

Well, that is true. Except for two little things - that the Polaris A1 had two
stages while the Sark had only one and its 1,598-kg (3,520-lb) yielded a 1-Mt
(megaton) nuclear capability, while the Polaris, with its two stages, carried
only a 326-kg (718-lbs) warhead (650 kiloton nuclear). Interestingly, the Sark
was in fact always tipped with a warhead intended for the more powerful R-7, in
effect the world's first ICBM - for cost and time saving reasons.

As the Sark was poised for commissioning, the first Soviet nuclear-powered
submarine (Project 658 Hotel 1) entered service, with eight such subs built
between 1958 and 1964. The fate of the first one, the notorious K-19, is too
well known to speculate about, but it explains why the other seven entered
upgrade programs when they were still at the shipyard. The upgrades, though,
have been successful, and the submarines survived the R-13 decommissioned in
1973 and remained in service until the last days of the Soviet Navy.

However, they were hardly the best and most powerful weapon the Soviets had. As
far back as 1963, new submarines with 1,400-km missiles were launched, and 1968
marked the advent of the first SSBN strategic nuclear-powered submarine the
Delta Class. (Delta I/Delta III, "underwater cruiser" in the Russian Navalese).
These new subs were armed first with G2 2,400-km RSM-25 (SSN-6 Sawfly)
ballistic missiles whose range was increased to 3,000 km after an upgrade, then
with more powerful RSM-40s (SSN-8 Sawfly, 7,800 km and 9,100 km before and
after upgrade). Newer submarines, the Typhoons and Delta IVs, were armed with
the RSM-50s (SSN-18 Stingray, 6,500 km and 8,000 km), RSM-52s (SSN-20 Sturgeon,
8,300 km), and RSM-54s (SSN-23 Skiff, 8,300 km).

Returning to "The Red October." American Patrick Thompson, resident scholar and
critic said, "the Typhoon-class ballistic missile submarine is no ordinary
Russian sub, it is equipped with an extremely silent drive system capable of
fooling Soviet and American SONAR (a method for detecting and locating objects
submerged in water by echolocation) detectors alike." This clearly gave the
Soviets a strategic cold war advantage as the advanced stealth class Typhoons
could engage targets across the United States without actually leaving their
base and having to deal with enemy anti-submarine defenses - though they were
indeed silent enough to penetrate wherever they wanted.

Currently the Russian Navy operates 12 SSBNs armed with 672 nuclear warheads on
192 ICBMs - nearly a third of the Russian nuclear triad which Sergei Ivanov,
the Russian defense minister, promised would be updated soon.

"In 2005, we are going to begin flight tests of the Bulava, a new solid fuel-
propelled sea-launched missile," he said recently at the Plesetsk Space Center.

Yuri Solomonov, head of the Moscow Institute of Thermal Technology, the Bulava
designer, said the first submarine launch - provided the project was
appropriately funded - "could be made in 2006."

The missile will be used with G5 nuclear submarines to be commissioned within
one or two years. Sevmashpredpriyatiye is currently making the first two
Project 955 Borei subs (already christened Yuri Dolgoruky and Alexander
Nevsky), with three to be ready by 2010. Each will carry 12 Bulava-Ms.

The M in the missile index stands for "morskoy," or "naval," because the Bulava
is, in effect, a derivative of the land-based missile Topol (SS-27). However,
Solomonov argues, referring to the size and weight restrictions for sea-
launched missiles, that "here there is no talk of unification because you get
two basically different theoretical approaches."

Nonetheless, he admits, the designers took as much as they could from the SS-27
because in today's Russia - a far cry from the Soviet era - cost effectiveness
also becomes a priority. So far, human resources have made up for scarce
financing: people who can design, test, and deploy state-of-the-art missiles
appropriately for the little money they receive are certainly worth their
weight in gold. But what next?

Older Typhoon Project 941 submarines are also expected to undergo an upgrade
for the new Bulavas. One of them, the Dmitry Donskoy, already tested the new
system, firing a dummy version in the White Sea last year. It did not cause any
harm and fell into the sea within seconds: the actual missile is still far from
flying.

All of this brings us back to Clancy and his "The Hunt for Red October." His
accurate use of military procedures and disclosure of highly classified
military technical information was shocking at the time. Maybe he did an
excellent job of researching specific procedures and terminology that the
military uses to reduce confusion and ensure the highest probability of success
in their mission. Rather than deriding military protocol as pompous and arcane,
Clancy demonstrates its positive qualities and proves that it can be as
fascinating as police procedure. Anyone with a military background can relate.
Where did he really get all that information? I wonder....

Yuri Zaitsev is an expert at the Space Research Institute of the Russian
Academy of Sciences

[Gość: Bartek]

A o projekcie 885 coś słychać ??.Kiedy mają zwodować Sowierodwińska ??