Starting business in Polad after your study

[lukasz_nl]

Hello,

I was just wondering if some of you guys have the ambition to start a
business in Poland after you finish your study.

And especially those who lived their whole lives abroad, like the US for
example.

I myself have been living almost all my life in Holland but I think that when
I finish my study I will try to start some business in Poland.

If so, what is your strategy?

Cheers,
Lukasz

[kaganowski]

Jolly good idea! For start I propose to import
soft drugs from the Netherlands to "Polad" (it
means, of course, POlish LADs). Then you can
go upmarket, and start to trade in hard drugs!
Good luck! (You will need a lot of it)...

Strategy

[grafiti_lives]

First of all, before you invest anything, learn about the Polish law,
bureaucracy and meanspirited mindset of many Poles towards "foreigners". In the
past they drove many investors/ businessmen like yourself into bankruptcy. In
some cases they had to quickly move in fear of their lives.
Based on your mame (Lukasz), I suspect you're of Polish ancestry and because of
that, there is whole another set of complications and dangers towards you while
living within the Polish borders. It is popularly known as the passport trap. I
give you following links for you to orient yourself in this subject:
journals.aol.com/grafitipl/Polishpassporttrap-Pulapkapaszpo/
www.salonniezaleznych.org/forum/
forum.gazeta.pl/forum/71,1.html?f=13386
www.compmore.net/~czeslaw/wizy/index.htm
All of these topics have been previously discussed on this forum.
Unfortunatelly, this site is hosted by Polish censors and they have cut most of
the good postings related to this topic.
The main problem with country of Poland is, that when they became "non
communist", the communists themselves, instead going to prisons just changed
their party affiliation to SLD and they countinue to run the country of Poland.
That explains the meanness on the part of the government and the resulting
misery of regular persons living there. High level of business failures, high
unemployment and the highest numbers of people in EU living in poverty are
Poles. Extreme corruption and mafia like connections between the Polish
officials and the Polish underworld.
Please consider the above consequences before you invest your life and money
there.
Thanks............grafiti

[lukasz_nl]

Thank for your post.
Yes, Im even born in Poland. The image of Poland you describe is very negative.
Im aware of most of these realities in Poland. But I dont know whether the
situation for entrepreneurs from foreign countries is that bad in Poland.

I was thinking of starting a 'dutch' company operating in Poland. In that case
I even wouldnt need a Polish passport. And I have more connections to Poland
than ancestry. I regularly visit Poland on vacation and I speak the langueage
quite well. So to the Poles it would seem like a Polish comapny (only formally
a Dutch).

Maybe also the business climate differs per branche.

Cheers

[grafiti_lives]

lukasz_nl napisał:

> Thank for your post.
> The image of Poland you describe is very negative.
> I was thinking of starting a 'dutch' company operating in Poland.

I did my job by warning you, but it is your life, your choice and your money.
I hope the best for you!

regards........grafiti

[kaganowski]

Te "zywe (zyjace) graffitti" (misspelled, anyway) to zapewne
alter ego niejakiego wiarusa (starego),
co na tym forum od lat zochydza Polske i jest wynalazca
tzw. pulapki paszportowej, ktora jest o tyle ciekawa,
ze wpadaja w nia tylko wyjatkowo uposledzeni umyslowo
(intellectually handicaped) osobnicy typu "wiarusa".
W kazdym kraju nie lubia cudzoziemcow i wszedzie
jest biurokracja, podatki i policja oraz korupcja.
W Polsce jest pod tym wzgledem ani gorzej ani lepiej
niz w przecietnym kraju UE, a na pewno lepiej niz
w Australii. Zgoda, Niderlandy maja na pewno uczciwsza
biurokracje niz Polska, ale juz na pewno nie mozna
tego powiedziec o Grecji, Belgii (walonskiej), Francji czy tez
o wiekszosci nowych czlonkow UE. Nikogo nie zachecam do
otwarcia biznesu bez minimum 1 mln PLN kapitalu,
obojetnie czy w Polsce czy np. w Australii. Ale to temat
na osobny watek.
Pozdr.

Krawczyk's stratagem

[kup_pan_paszport]

W ten chytry sposób można też bronić łowców skór hehehe

kaganowski napisał:
> W Polsce jest pod tym wzgledem ani gorzej ani lepiej
____

Krótki kurs erystyki WKP(b)
©Wydział Konceptów Pszennych (i buraczanych), Varsovie, Pologne, 2004


Argument 1:
Przecież tak samo jest wszędzie

"Lowcy skor" to efekt...

[kaganowski]

... wprowadzenia przez Balcerowicza i ske prymitywnego,
XIX-wiecznego kapitalizmu w Polsce. Za komuny po pierwsze
"weseli sanitariusze" bali by sie cos takiego robic,
a po drugie to nie bylo wtedy takiego nacisku, aby robic
"szmal" za kazda cene... A swoja droga, to korupcja
i zlodziejstwo w Australii nie ustepuje polskim odpowiednikom.
Powiedzilabym nawet, ze tu jest pod tym wzgledem gorzej,
po Polska jest jednak w UE, a Australia wydaje sie byc
zadowolona, ze ma nieco uczciwsza policje i politykow
niz na Nowej Gwinei czy w Indonezji... Polska zas
ma za bliskich sasiadow Skandynawow, a nie skorumpowane
rezymy z Indonezji czy Papui-Nowej Gwinei!

Business Plan?

[dieldok]

lukasz_nl napisał:

> Thank for your post.
> Yes, Im even born in Poland. The image of Poland you describe is very
negative.
>
> Im aware of most of these realities in Poland. But I dont know whether the
> situation for entrepreneurs from foreign countries is that bad in Poland.
>
> I was thinking of starting a 'dutch' company operating in Poland. In that
case
> I even wouldnt need a Polish passport. And I have more connections to Poland
> than ancestry. I regularly visit Poland on vacation and I speak the langueage
> quite well. So to the Poles it would seem like a Polish comapny (only
formally
> a Dutch).
>
> Maybe also the business climate differs per branche.

so far your business plan seems to be extremely vague

I guess, first you need a solid business plan and you have to be able to
promote your plan and explain it in simple terms to all than can help you
and want to listen, like banks, advisors, potential investors...
What are you trying to do
and why do you think this a great idea
what are the numbers behind the idea
why and it will work better in Poland than in Holland?

Poland is obviously a difficult market to invest
even for Poles living in Poland
Anybody from outside has to be much more cautious and well aware
of the specifics of polish economy like wide spread corruption,
thievery, bureaucracy, hi crime rate, relatively low standard
of living, high crime rate, wide spread of grey and black market for labor and
stolen, smugled goods etc
Every foreigner is perceived as a gullible fellow that is easy
to cheat and whisk out of money, and you will be continuously
approached and tested for your honesty and integrity
by all kind of unsavory "characters"
On the other hand you might also meet great people, friendly, trustworthy,
honest and very helpful, however, this will be rather exception than
a rule.
If you have not lived in Poland for a long time
you will have serious problems to understand and accept "polish mentality"
specially as applied to business and work ethics

[lukasz_nl]

So far I do not have a busines plan.

The reason I started this thread was to see whether other young Poles living
abroad also gave the same ambition. And to see in what ways it is possible for
them to get organized in order to come up with more concrete plans for starting
business in Poland.

I believe that talented and capable young Poles with such background (and their
western way of thinking) can add a lot value en learn from eachother.

[warcholski]

Im =I'm or I am
dont= don't or do not
wouldnt= wouldn't or would not (you would if you could to speak better language)
langueage= language
comapny= company (only formly Dutch)
of most of these =??? whot is this
eachother= each other.
busines= business

"I was thinking of starting a 'dutch' company operating in Poland."

Good when your mind is past do (was thinking of starting) …
possible from that consequence:

>…I did my job by warning you, but it is your life, your choice and your money.
I hope the best for you!
regards........grafiti<

"And especially those who lived their whole lives abroad, like the US for
example. "

"who lived their whole lives abroad"- so, we have to do somewhere else, tell me
why ???


" I regularly visit Poland on vacation and I speak the langueage
quite well."

Lepiej studencie powiedz po "polskiemu" to Cie lepiej zrozumiemy, o co ci
chodzi.

[kaganowski]

warcholski napisał: Lepiej studencie powiedz po "polskiemu" to Cie lepiej zrozumiemy, o co ci chodzi.
K: Ze "skubentem" problem jest taki, wicie prawda, ze lun
juz zdonzyl zapomniec jak sie gada po polskiemu, ale
jezyka Angielczykow ani Olendrow nie byl w stanie
sie porzadnie nauczyc...

[kaganowski]

Naiwny jestes. Polska to ani zachod, ani wschod. Stad
ani zachodnie, ani wschodnie wzorce w Polsce nie maja
zastosowania. Praktyka na zachodzie w Polsce jest
wysoce nieuzyteczna, i tylko przeszkada w robieniu
dobrych interesow!

Have you considered Botswana?

[prawdziwystarywiarus]

According to the highly respected Transparency International Corruption Perception Index (CPI 2004)

www.transparency.org/cpi/2004/cpi2004.en.html
Barbados, Uruguay, Oman, United Arab Emirates, Botswana, Malaysia, Tunisia, Costa Rica, Kolumbia,
Surinam, El Salvador, Panama, Namibia, Ghana and Mexico are less corrupt and more business friendly
than Poland. Are you looking at Poland with a view to running an economically viable business, or an
adventure holiday undertaken on sentimental grounds?

[dieldok]

Just a second!

If Poland were/is co corrupt than I guess people with a little bit of street
smartness and some basic combinatorial skills, could easily figure out how to
get what they want from Poland for a few bucks included with the pile of
probably unnecessary application forms.
Just think about it, for a few bucks you should be able to get your passport or
get rid of citizenship or whatever, and the incessant and exasperating
complaints on this board would go away forever.
Unless! Unless these complainers are of such great integrity that does not
allow them to park in places where park meter is broken, and are doomed to
spent the rest of their life locked in this permanent impasse, hoping for
something so hopelessly impossible.

On the other hand, if that grumbling would finally go away, we would have to
find another sink for our spare time at work and home, and it’s so difficult to
beat this forum in term of genuine entertainment value.
It is Monday morning in USA, and we are already flooded by posts from
Australia, and we are still waiting for our other strong producers from Europe,
Poland and USA, NYC, Brooklyn, West Coast etc
)

[exile1]

Pisz szybko donos z linkiem o korupcji do Boeinga , nie pozwol na to :

gospodarka.gazeta.pl/gospodarka/1,33181,2726247.html

[kaganowski]

Boeing to bankrupt, ale potrzebny jest USAF jako dostawca
czesci do samolotow bojowych i transportowych. Stad Boeing
przenosi produkcje czesci zamienych do samolotow cywilnych
do krajow z tansza niz w USA sila robocza, aby zaoszczedzic
ile sie da. Rzad USA bowiem placi, ale tez i wymaga, i na
samolotach dla USAF nie da sie tak latwo zoszczedzic, i musza
byc one w calosci robione w USA...

[kaganowski]

W Botswanie wlasnie sadza australijskiego profesora za obraze
majestatu tamtejszego prezydenta. Nie wiem, jak wysokie lapowki dal
rzad Botswany agentom owej "Transparency International", ale
podejrzewam, ze poniewaz w kapitalizmie wszystko mozna kupic,
to i dobre miejsce na ich liscie tez musi miec swoja cene.
Moze by tak Polska wydala troche grosza na poprawienie swej
pozycji w ich rankingu?

[kaganowski]

Tzw. biznes plan to jest pic na wode, pisany aby wyludzic
pozyczke z banku. Kapitalizm bowiem polega na tym, ze
nie da sie w nim przewidziec jaki bedzie rynek jutro, a co mowic
za rok...

[pawel_z_melb]

witaj!
znam kilka osob ktore odniosly sukces przyjechawszy z Zachodu;

ale to raczej po zdobyciu pewnego doswiadczenia zawodowego - wtedy to mogli/ly
wniesc cos...

same studia (nawet z biznesu) b. malo daja jesli chodzi o prowadzenie wlasnej
firmy...

[kaganowski]

Tu masz racje. Jak ktos wrocil z zachodu do Polski ze sporym
kapitalem, to moglo mu sie powiesc. Ale dobrze wiesz,
jak trudno zrobic obecnie duze pieniadze na zachodzie...
Ostanimi wschodnimi Europejczykami, ktorzy z zera doszli
wlasna inicjatywa do wielkich pieniedzy na zachodzie byli
Robert Maxwell (podobno juz nie zyje) i Soros, ale oni byli
z Wybranego Narodu. Zadnemu Polakowi sie na zachodzie nie
udalo dostac do czolowki rekinow biznesu, i to jest fakt...