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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/3942145.stm

Warsaw uprising: How to heal the wounds?
(...)
The Warsaw uprising against their Nazi occupiers lasted for 63 days and resulted in the deaths
of about 200,000 Poles and the total destruction of the city.
The Polish resistance believed that Russia, US and UK would provide assistance but very little
help arrived.
Mr Belka has also said that the Polish people would welcome an apology from Britain for not
doing enough to assist the Warsaw uprising.


How should the wounds over the Warsaw uprising be healed? Are Germany and Poland good
neighbours now? And should the UK apologise? Send us your views.

The following comments reflect the balance of opinion we have received so far:


Britain can't apologise for a decision that was made 60 years ago by politicians who are no
longer alive, any more than Mongolia can apologise for Europe's invasion by Genghis Khan. It's
just a stupid suggestion.
Albert, UK

Many comments suggest that 60 years is a long time and Poland should have mellowed over
the uprising and the levelling of Warsaw. These views do not understand that major
reconstruction of the Old Town took until recently to complete and that the blocks of giant
apartments still attest to the destruction. The Uprising remains part of daily life in Warsaw.
Mike K, Pa, USA

Those who did not die in the rising had Stalin's camps awaiting them. All while the UK was
agreeing new post war borders for Poland without consulting Poland's government. The UK
betrayed Poland whatever the military realities on the ground.
James Scobbie, Scotland

While I recognize the heroic effort of the Polish people during WWII, pouring so much dirt on
"Russia" (Russian Federation, Ukraine, Belarus, Georgia?), which, incidentally, lost millions of its
own people in its fight against fascism, is just disrespectful and uncalled for. It's sad that many
people's sacrifice has fallen victim to prejudice and stereotypes brought about and cultivated by
post-Cold War vindictiveness and frustrations. The wounds will heal if we let them heal instead
of pointing fingers and playing blame games.
Vladimir, Donetsk, Ukraine

Why should Britain apologise for not intervening? Warsaw was the other side of Europe. We
had thousands of troops, along with many allies including Poles, fighting to get into Germany,
fighting up through Italy and fighting in the Far East. How could we have helped; send a bus
load of peacekeepers? It was impossible to intervene! Commemorate the Uprising by the brave
Poles, remember the atrocities so that such acts cannot be allowed to happen again. Sorry Mr
Belka this is just another piece of "opportunism" from an image obsessed politician.
Jim Kirk, Basildon, Essex

From some of the comments here you would have thought that Britain and Russia were the
villains of WW2 and not the Nazis. Perhaps the real problem is that the uprising was bungled
and that it's leaders misunderstood what level of support to expect and afterwards they found it
easier to blame their allies for their own mistakes.
Peter, Nottingham

Small factual note, most historians recognise Churchill's repeated attempts to stand up to
Stalin over Poland (and anywhere else)were sunk by Roosevelt, who thought Stalin was a 'man he
could do business with' and who suspected British 'imperialism'. Any let down Poles should ask
the USA, not the UK for an apology - but don't hold your breath.
Alistair, London UK

Some wounds take a long time to heal, but it is nevertheless admirable that the Germans have
seized the opportunity for reconciliation. It is a landmark event that is representative of bright
prospects for EU unity.
Prashanth Parameswaran, Malaysia

While 60 years is a long time, Britain should apologize out of guilt at least - 200,000 people is
a devastating loss.
Prashanth Parameswaran, Malaysia

The uprising clearly demonstrated that aspirations and hopes of the people are always being
ignored by politics. Stalin halted the Red Army to wait for his own hidden agendas and the allies
did nor provide any help for their own hidden agendas. Churchill of course had already drawn a
map with Stalin as to who has what say in what area that was to become the Soviet Union's
cordon sanitaire until 1989 when the USSR collapsed.
WD Krueger, Udonthani, Thailand

We went to war for Poland in 1939, we bankrupted a huge Empire fighting it, we had no way
to stop the Nazi's in 1944 in Poland, and we certainly didn't have any way of stopping Russia
taking over Poland after the war.
Theo, UK

During the World War II living under the German terror unimaginable for the people from the
west Poland being a western ally lost: 25% of its population 39% of doctors 33% of teachers 26%
of lawyers 70% of industry 90% of cultural heritage (in Warsaw alone) We do not need apologies
(perhaps for the Germans) but we ask you to remember about that
Tom, Warsaw

Apologies are absurd once the leadership of the generation who offended, or not, are dead.
Make no exceptions to that rule and you cannot go wrong.
Andrew, London

Poland should celebrate and be very proud of the bravery of their fellow citizens that, against
great odds, stood up to the Nazis and fought back with everything they had. France surrendered
quickly and yet has no problem throwing annual fancy glittery parades and praising their role in
the war. Don't worry about "old wounds", celebrate Poland's brave and noble stand against
Nazis. I salute you, Poland.
Alistair Asquith, NJ, US / London, UK

How can the wounds of World War II be counted as "healed" when today the few thousand
European Jews left on the Continent are again leaving it to escape resurgent anti-Semitism, as
well as the apathy of "good Europeans" who stand by and do nothing to stop it?
Cole, USA

The Polish patriots who died fighting need no phoney apologies from present day politicians.
Anyone who reads the history and views the photos knows what happened. The UK WWII
conduct was second to none. Everyone present here now should be thankful.
xtela, USA

I think Poland doesn't need apology. What Poland needs is good memory to trust no allies.
Artur, Krakow, Poland

I personally do not think that Poland need any "apology" from the UK but simply recognition of
some basic facts: Poland was the first country to oppose both Germany and Soviet Union in
1939. Its contribution to the allies' victory was huge and the Warsaw uprising (when on Hitler's
order Warsaw was razed to ground and 150 000 civilians executed) Monte Cassino, Battle of
Britain, Normandy are examples of heroic battles polish soldiers fought. Not to mention
breaking the Enigma code and delivering it to England or alarming the Allies about Germans'
death camps. For all of that we and other nations were left under Soviets for 50years
Tadeusz, Krakow, Poland

Russia seems to get a lot of criticism for the failing to come to the aid of the Warsaw uprising.
I have read Russian supreme commander Georgi Zukov's war journal and he said the Red Army
had been fighting continuously for six weeks before arriving at the gates of Warsaw and was in
need of rest and re-supply. Certainly from the military standpoint an army cannot fight
continuously, and changing from open ground to urban warfare requires a different mix of
weapons and tactics; tanks are especially vulnerable in city streets. Perhaps the political
leadership of the Polish resistance should have co-ordinated with Russians, rather than trying to
go it alone.
Douglas Helmson, Glasgow

Poland seem to be th