Polak i Zyd - historia Kaina i Abla

[Gość: Polak]

Nie zapominajmy o Kainie i Ablu. Tak byl tez los Polakowe i Zydow. Polacy i
Zydzi zostali polaczeni wspolna historia, niedola. Zyli wspolnie na tej samej
ziemi przez wiele wiekow, nie zawsze w zgodzie, czasem klocac sie, nienawidzac,
jak bracia (ile razy biles sie z swoim bratem ?). Klepali biede, tak samo jak
wielu Polakow, cierpieli tak samo jak i my - bo sa tak samo ludzmi jak my
Polacy. Najlepsi z nich byly najlepszymi, dali Polsce plejade najlepszych
poetow, pisarzy, naukowcow, lekarzy i humanistow. Najgorsi byli najgorszymi,
tak jak najgorszy z nas Polakow zeszmacili sie bez umiaru. Jesli wierzysz w
Boga (99% Polakow deklaruje sie jako osoby wierzace), przeczytaj w jedynym
dokumencie zostawionym przez Stworce dla ludzkosci - w Pismie Swietym, jakie
byly losy Zydow. Wiele sie nauczysz. Przeczytasz tam, ze Pan Jezus tez byl
Zydem, przeczytasz "z przerazeniem", ze Krolowa Polski jest Zydowka!!! Zanim
rzucisz podle uogolnienie nt. calego narodu zydowskiego, zwaz ze bedziez ono
dotyczyc Tych, ktorym oddajesz czesc w niedziele. Kain zabil Able - nie musisz
byc Kainem! Mozna zabijac takze jezykiem...i jest to wtedy kontynuacja dziela
tych najgorszych ze zbrodniarzy w Jedwabnem. Oni tez chodzili do kosciola co
niedziele. Nienawisc zaslepila ich, jak Kaina, bo w jego oczach, Bog byl
bardziej przychylny Ablowi.

[Gość: Jarek]

Swoja droga rzeczy tak zdawaloby sie oczywiste jak te co piszesz
trzeba jednak ciagle powtarzac,zeby roznej masci gnomy wysilly choc jedna
szara, ale ta praca wydaje sie byc syzyfowa. To jest nieuleczalny rak,
zwany Ciemnogrod, ktory drazy "nieszczesliwy kraj" (ksenofobia,
zydozerczosc itd.). Dzieki za madre slowa.

[Gość: Jules]

Szanowny Panie Polak! Pan chyba jest juz za bardzo Amerykanin. Ja Francuz. Po
co zaraz brzydkie slowa? Zaraz Kain, Abel? Prosze mi nie wchodzic w moja role,
rabinem na tym forum jestem ja i nie pozwole sobie mojej nauczycielskiej roli
ukrasc. Nauczac trzeba przykladem a nie jak protestanci (judaizm amerykanski
bardzo jest zarazony purytanizmem i protestantyzmem) grzmiec z ambony o ogniu
piekielnym czy o innych nieprzyjemnych skojarzeniach. Bylo jak bylo, wazne,
zeby sie nie powtorzylo. Pozwolmy umarlym pogrzebac innych umarlych (Przyslowie
francuskie: "laissons les morts enterrer les morts")

[Gość: ethanol]

Ja to kurna juz mam dosy tego bicia piany na temat stosunkow Polsko-Zydowskich.
To forum jest zdominoiwane przez ten temat. Wchodze na forum "Wprost" ...to
samo. Jedwabne, Koniuchy, UB i tak w kolo Macieja codziennie. Zajoba juz mozna
dostac. Ci zmarli to sie w grobie chyba juz dziesiec razy przekrecili.

Co mowi Biblia o Zydach.

[Gość: Gix]

Biblia , mimo, ze pisana przez Zydow nie mowi zbyt dobrze o Zydach.
WIele ksieg mowi o podwojnej moralnosci, zbrodniach (Jerycho)i podbojach
zydowskich.
Np.:
Ksiega Wyjscia 12,35:
"Synowie Izraela uczynili wg. tego, jak im nakazal Mojzesz, i wypozyczali
od Egipcjan przedmioty srebrne i zlote oraz szaty.Pan wbudzil zyczliwosc
Egipcjan dla Izraelitow, i pozyczyli im. I w ten sposob [Izraelici] zlupili
Egipcjan."

Co do sugestii , ze Bog bardziej umilowal Zydow, to swiadczy o twoim zydowskim
szowinizmie (proby kamuflazu- podpisywanie sie Polak - niewiele ci daly). Wy,
Zydzi nie jestescie wybrani. Troche rozsadku.

Sugerownie , ze Polak to Kain jest zakrawa o faszyzm , ale raczej wbudza tylko
smiech.
Sa ludzie, ktorzy wlasnie narod zydowski uwazaja za potomkow Kaina.

[Gość: Zbynio]

Zydzi we wspolczesnym rozumieniu tego slowa, sa jedynie
potomkami wyznawcow Judaizmu z terenow Rosji, ale nie
potomkami plemienia Zydow o ktorych pisze Bibila. W innym
watku podawalem juz wyjatkowo interesujacy artykul amerykanskiego
historyka, ktory wyjasnia pochodzenie ludzi okreslanych dzisiaj
jako "Zydzi". Jezus Chrystus mial z tymi ludzmi tyle wspolnego,
co Polacy z Faraonem. Wykorzystywanie postaci biblijnych, dla
wykazania wlasnej wyzszosci, jest praktykowane przez Was od wiekow,
niestety ale nie ma to ci wspolnego w prawda.

> The Jews Are Not A Race!
>
>By Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal
>Excerpt from his book, What Price Israel?
>
>( Note: Dr. Alfred Lilienthal is a "Jew". He is a historian, journalist
and
>lecturer, he is a graduate from Cornell University and Colombia Law
School. )
>
>Today, to trace anyone's descent to ancient Palestine would be a
genealogical
>impossibility;
>and to presume, axiomatically, such a descent for Jews, alone among all
human
>groups, is an
>assumption of purely fictional significance. Most everybody in the
Western
>world could stake
>out some claim of Palestinian descent if genealogical records could be
>established for
>two-thousand years. And there are, indeed, people who, though not by
the
>widest stretch of
>imagination Jewish, proudly make that very claim: some of the oldest of
the
>South's
>aristocratic families play a game of comparing whose lineage goes
farther
>back into 'Israel'.
>No one knows what happened to the Ten Lost Tribes of 'Israel', but to
>speculate on who might
>be who is a favored Anglo-Saxon pastime, and Queen Victoria belonged to
an
>'Israelite' Society
>that traced the ancestry of its membership back to those lost tribes.
>
>Twelve tribes started in Canaan about thirty-five centuries ago; and
not only
>that ten of them
>disappeared - more than half of the members of the remaining two tribes
never
>returned from
>their "exile" in Babylon. How then, can anybody claim to descend
directly
>from that relatively
>small community which inhabited the Holy Land at the time of Abraham's
>Covenant with God?
>
>The Jewish racial myth flows from the fact that the words Hebrew,
>'Israelite', Jew, Judaism,
>and the Jewish people have been used synonymously to suggest a historic
>continuity. But this
>is a misuse. These words refer to different groups of people with
varying
>ways of life in
>different periods in history. Hebrew is a term correctly applied to the
>period from the
>beginning of Biblical history to the settling in Canaan. 'Israelite'
refers
>correctly to the
>members of the twelve tribes of 'Israel'. The name Yehudi or Jew is
used in
>the Old Testament
>to designate members of the tribe of Judah, descendants of the fourth
son of
>Jacob, as
>well as to denote citizens of the Kingdom of Judah, particularly at the
time
>of Jeremiah and
>under the Persian occupation. Centuries later, the same word came to be
>applied to anyone, no
>matter of what origin, whose religion was Judaism.
>
>The descriptive name Judaism was never heard by the Hebrews or
'Israelites';
>it appears only
>with Christianity. Flavius Josephus was one of the first to use the
name in
>his recital of the
>war with the Romans to connote a totality of beliefs, moral
commandments,
>religious practices
>and ceremonial institutions of Galilee which he believed superior to
rival
>Hellenism. When the
>word Judaism was born, there was no longer a Hebrew-'Israelite' state.
The
>people who
>embraced the creed of Judaism were already mixed of many races and
strains;
>and this
>diversification was rapidly growing...
>
>Perhaps the most significant mass conversion to the Judaic faith
occurred in
>Europe, in the
tth century A.D., and that story of the Khazars (Turko-Finnish people)
is
>quite pertinent to
>the establishment of the modern State of 'Israel'. This partly nomadic
>people, probably
>related to the Volga Bulgars, first appeared in Trans-Caucasia in the
second
>century. They
>settled in what is now Southern Russia, between the Volga and the Don,
and
>then spread to the
>shores of the Black, Caspian and Azov seas. The Kingdom of Khazaria,
ruled by
>a khagan or
>khakan fell to Attila the Hun in 448, and to the Muslims in 737. In
between,
>the Khazars ruled
>over part of the Bulgarians, conquered the Crimea, and stretched their
>kingdom over the
>Caucasus farther to the northwest to include Kiev, and eastwards to
Derbend.
>Annual tributes
>were levied on the Russian Slavonians of Kiev. The city of Kiev was
probably
>built by the
>Khazars. There were Jews in the city and the surrounding area before
the
>Russian Empire was
>founded by the Varangians whom the Scandinavian warriors sometimes
called the
>Russ or Ross
>(circa 855-863).
>
>The influence of the Khazars extended into what is now Hungary and
Roumania.
>Today, the
>villages of Kozarvar and Kozard in Transylvania bear testimony to the
>penetration of the
>Khazars who, with the Magyars, then proceeded into present-day Hungary.
The
>size and power of
>the Kingdom of Khazaria is indicated by the act that it sent an army of
`,000 soldiers (in
˘-627) to help Heraclius of the Byzantines to conquer the Persians. The
>Jewish
>Encyclopedia proudly refers to Khazaria as having had a "well
constituted and
>tolerant
>government, a flourishing trade and a well disciplined army."
>
>Jews who had been banished from Constantinople by the Byzantine ruler,
Leo
>III, found a home
>amongst these heretofore pagan Khazars and, in competition with
Mohammedan
>and Christian
>missionaries, won them over to the Judaic faith. Bulan, the ruler of
>Khazaria, became
>converted to Judaism around 740 A.D. His nobles and, somewhat later,
his
>people followed suit.
>Some details of these events are contained in letters exchanged between
>Khagan Joseph of
>Khazaria and R. Hasdai Ibn Shaprut of Cordova, doctor and quasi foreign
>minister to Sultan Abd
>al-Rahman, the Caliph of Spain. This correspondence (around 936-950)
was
>first published in
to prove that the Jews still had a country of their own - namely, the
>Kingdom of
>Khazaria. Judah Halevi knew of the letters even in 1140. Their
authenticity
>has since been
>established beyond doubt.
>
>According to these Hasdai-Joseph letters, Khagan Bulan decided one day:
>"Paganism is useless.
>It is shameful for us to be pagans. Let us adopt one of the heavenly
>religions, Christianity,
>Judaism or Islam." And Bulan summoned three priests representing the
three
>religions and had
>them dispute their creeds before him. But, no priest could convince the
>others, or the
>sovereign, that his religion was the best. So the ruler spoke to each
of them
>separately.

[Gość: Zbynio]

>He asked the Christian priest: "If you were not a Christian or had to
>give up
>Christianity, which
>would you prefer - Islam or Judaism?" The priest said: "If I were to
give up
>Christianity, I
>would become a Jew." Bulan then asked the follower of Islam the same
>question, and the Moslem
>also chose Judaism. This is how Bulan came to choose Judaism for
himself and
>the people of
>Khazaria in the seventh century A.D., and thereafter the Khazars
(sometimes
>spelled Chazars
>and Khozars) lived according to Judaic laws.
>
>Under the rule of Obadiah, Judaism gained further strength in Khazaria.
>Synagogues and schools
>were built to give instruction in the Bible and the Talmud. As
Professor
>Graetz notes in his
>History of the Jews, "A successor of Bulan who bore the Hebrew name of
>Obadiah was the first
>to make serious efforts to further the Jewish religion. He invited
Jewish
>sages to settle in
>his dominions, rewarded them royally... and introduced a divine service
>modeled on the ancient
>communities. After Obadiah came a long series of Jewish Chagans
(Khagans),
>for according to a
>fundamental law of the state only Jewish rulers were permitted to
ascend the
>throne." Khazar
>traders brought not only silks and carpets of Persia and the Near East
but
>also their Judaic
>faith to the banks of the Vistula and the Volga. But the Kingdom of
Khazaria
>was invaded by
>the Russians, and Itil, its great capital, fell to Sweatoslav of Kiev
in 969.
>The Byzantines
>had become afraid and envious of the Khazars and, in a joint expedition
with
>the Russians,
>conquered the Crimean portion of Khazaria in 1016. (Crimea was known as
>"Chazaria" until the
Eth century). The Khazarian Jews were scattered throughout what is now
>Russia and Eastern
>Europe. Some were taken North where they joined the established Jewish
>community of Kiev.
>
>Others returned to the Caucasus. Many Khazars remarried in the Crimea
and in
>Hungary. The Cagh
>Chafut, or "mountain Jews," in the Caucasus and the Hebraile Jews of
Georgia
>are their
>descendants. These "Ashkenazim Jews" (as Jews of Eastern Europe are
called),
>whose numbers
>were swelled by Jews who fled from Germany at the time of the Crusades
and
>during the Black
>Death, have little or no trace of Semitic blood.
>
>That the Khazars are the lineal ancestors of Eastern European Jewry is
a
>historical fact.
>Jewish historians and religious text books acknowledge the fact, though
the
>propagandists of
>Jewish nationalism belittle it as pro-Arab propaganda. Somewhat
ironically,
>Volume IV of the
>Jewish Encyclopedia - because this publication spells Khazars with a
"C"
>instead of a "K" - is
>titled "Chazars to Dreyfus": and it was the Dreyfus trial, as
interpreted by
>Theodor Herzl,
>that made the modern Jewish Khazars of Russia forget their descent from
>converts to Judaism
>and accept anti-Semitism as proof of their Palestinian origin.
>
>For all that anthropologists know, Hitler's ancestry might go back to
one of
>the ten Lost
>Tribes of 'Israel'; while Weizmann may be a descendant of the
>Khazars, the converts to Judaism who were in no anthropological respect
>related to Palestine.
>The home to which Weizmann, Silver and so many other
>Ashkenazim Zionists have yearned to return has most likely never been
theirs.
>"Here's a
>paradox, a paradox, a most ingenious paradox": in anthropological
>fact, many Christians may have much more Hebrew-'Israelite' blood in
their
>veins than most of
>their Jewish neighbors.
>
>Race can play funny tricks on people who make that concept the basis
for
>their likes and
>dislikes. Race-obsessed people can find themselves hating people
>who, in fact, may be their own racial kith and kin.