Since you've let Waldek back in here

usenetposts Re: Since you've let Waldek back in here 28.12.06, 16:54

Basically Maggie, it's extremely simple.

He was banned for six months, and he served the six months.

During that time, this forum, which had been running at 400 posts a week of
which in fact only a small portion were made by Waldek, went down to a stage
where the average number of posts per week was about 10. It was pretty much on
the verge of extinction.

There has been, over the past few weeks, precious little posting by anyone,
although I will happily admit that you did post some things. But none of the
people I tried to please really were showing that much interest in the forum
without some kind of controversy going on in it.

Which all leads me back to my initial views on the subject, made known by me
many times, that if you have moderation, it kills groups and kills discussion.

I exercised the bans that I did against my own principles of free speech, under
duress by admin persons telling me to clean up the act in here, and because
there had been a vote. In fact, I doubt, if we had that same vote today, that I
would get a majority in favour of banning Waldek again. And even if I do what
the admins say, he only thing that comes of it is that they don't remove my
group. If they remove my group, then here

www.youtube.com/group/foreignerspoland
is where I suggest we reconvene, so please make a note of that place in case we
need it in the future.

Since Waldek came back, the group has moved from being well down the frequency
list right up into the top three again.

Of course I like quality, but you cannot put the work of Waldek, which contains
paragraphs of interaction with other people - albeit provocative - with the
sort of thing you get on spam forum, where there are senseless cascades, half
sentences, single letter posts - anything just to drive up numbers. We have to
find a compromise because the group will simply die if there is no controversy
in it.

I simply cannot trust people to visit and to post to a forum where everyone is
happy. I wish I could, but human nature is not like that.

The reason why he refers to you is that he knows he can get a rise out of you.
Even starting this thread is showing your willingness to play his game.

Of course there are limits. I would not accept real life threats, racism, anti-
semitism, blasphemy. But so far all I have seen is that he continually teases
you, and provokes numerous other people also, and all I can says is - some
people are like that. That's what can happen in society.

If there is anything specific that you wish me to squelch - on an individual
post level, then I will review it, but other than that I am not willing to ban
the one person who seems to give this group a chance to regain its former
popularity.

Had people continued a good level of lively banter here without that, I
probably would have thought differently, but that was unfortunately not the
case, hence I wanted Waldek to come back and even went to far as to write to
him and invite him back.

And there you have it.

And if they choose to remove the group, then so be it. The custom will go
elsewhere. To youtube and maybe also to warsawvoice.pl. This was going to die
as it was, and quite frankly it is better sometimes to go out in a blaze of
glory.

That having been said I would certainly prefer it if he left you alone, but,
you know, I'm not gonna be the thought police around here.

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usenetposts Re: Since you've let Waldek back in here 28.12.06, 16:54

Basically Maggie, it's extremely simple.

He was banned for six months, and he served the six months.

During that time, this forum, which had been running at 400 posts a week of
which in fact only a small portion were made by Waldek, went down to a stage
where the average number of posts per week was about 10. It was pretty much on
the verge of extinction.

There has been, over the past few weeks, precious little posting by anyone,
although I will happily admit that you did post some things. But none of the
people I tried to please really were showing that much interest in the forum
without some kind of controversy going on in it.

Which all leads me back to my initial views on the subject, made known by me
many times, that if you have moderation, it kills groups and kills discussion.

I exercised the bans that I did against my own principles of free speech, under
duress by admin persons telling me to clean up the act in here, and because
there had been a vote. In fact, I doubt, if we had that same vote today, that I
would get a majority in favour of banning Waldek again. And even if I do what
the admins say, he only thing that comes of it is that they don't remove my
group. If they remove my group, then here

www.youtube.com/group/foreignerspoland
is where I suggest we reconvene, so please make a note of that place in case we
need it in the future.

Since Waldek came back, the group has moved from being well down the frequency
list right up into the top three again.

Of course I like quality, but you cannot put the work of Waldek, which contains
paragraphs of interaction with other people - albeit provocative - with the
sort of thing you get on spam forum, where there are senseless cascades, half
sentences, single letter posts - anything just to drive up numbers. We have to
find a compromise because the group will simply die if there is no controversy
in it.

I simply cannot trust people to visit and to post to a forum where everyone is
happy. I wish I could, but human nature is not like that.

The reason why he refers to you is that he knows he can get a rise out of you.
Even starting this thread is showing your willingness to play his game.

Of course there are limits. I would not accept real life threats, racism, anti-
semitism, blasphemy. But so far all I have seen is that he continually teases
you, and provokes numerous other people also, and all I can says is - some
people are like that. That's what can happen in society.

If there is anything specific that you wish me to squelch - on an individual
post level, then I will review it, but other than that I am not willing to ban
the one person who seems to give this group a chance to regain its former
popularity.

Had people continued a good level of lively banter here without that, I
probably would have thought differently, but that was unfortunately not the
case, hence I wanted Waldek to come back and even went to far as to write to
him and invite him back.

And there you have it.

And if they choose to remove the group, then so be it. The custom will go
elsewhere. To youtube and maybe also to warsawvoice.pl. This was going to die
as it was, and quite frankly it is better sometimes to go out in a blaze of
glory.

That having been said I would certainly prefer it if he left you alone, but,
you know, I'm not gonna be the thought police around here.
waldek1610 Maggie,how many T'shirts with name"London"you own? 29.12.06, 07:28

nasza_maggie napisała:

> Can you at least explain to him on what terms?

too be clear I was asked to come back, I was reinvited recenty. Although I lost
interest in posting here due to ban on the free speech on FLiP. Despite I hear
my ban ended six months ago.... I had no interest in comming back but I
recondered, and I decided to show some solidarity to my English fellow Davie
who was in need.

Basically, you Maggie, act like Frech Pres. Chirach who thinks Poland should
obey the rules set by Western Euro powers, and sit quiet...

> It would be nice to be part of a forum, where I'm not stalked by a troll.
> I know he gets the 'numbers up' but I must say, to me it is quality not
> quantity that counts.

So why are you stalking me Maggie?

> And if Waldek is the symbol of quality for this forum, well....

...and if Maggie is here to represent of the Polish women, well.... You remind
me typical Russian women who come to USA, and first thing they does... they buy
T'shirts with letters "German" on it or other western brand names, because they
feels the need to "look more civilised", and belonging to western Europe. I
feel sorry for such provintial attitudes demonstrated by those kind of Slav
women....

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