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    • t0g Tak, tak. W latach 50-tych i 60-tych w szkole 26.05.05, 01:20
      ...tez mnie uczono, ze kapitalizm juz dogorywa i to, co widzimy, to jego
      ostatnie tchnienia. "Powolne zmierzchy" juz przerabialismy. Do propagandy tez
      jestesmy przyzwyczajeni i wiemy, co o niej myslec.
      • Gość: pak Re: Tak, tak. W latach 50-tych i 60-tych w szkole IP: 82.177.83.* 26.05.05, 01:43
        t0g napisał:

        > ...tez mnie uczono, ze kapitalizm juz dogorywa i to, co widzimy, to jego
        > ostatnie tchnienia. "Powolne zmierzchy" juz przerabialismy. Do propagandy tez
        > jestesmy przyzwyczajeni i wiemy, co o niej myslec.

        Myslec? Jestes pewny, ze to chciales napisac?
        • europitek Re: Tak, tak. W latach 50-tych i 60-tych w szkole 26.05.05, 02:38
          Propaganda jest skuteczna, gdy jest kierowana do ludzi, ktorzy nie posiadaja
          odpowiedniej wiedzy (lub rozumu) by samodzielnie ocenic wartosc zaszlyszanych
          opinii. Watpie, by ktos z tu przytomnych dal sie przekonac.
          W kazdym badz razie, jesli sie to uda to prosze o info.
    • t0g Cos optymistycznego dla Ciebie, Paku: 26.05.05, 10:39
      W listopadowym numerze "National Geographic" byl cykl artykulow na temat Darwina i
      ewolucji, no i w jednym przytoczono wyniki badania opinii publicznej z lutego 2001:

      "Only 37 percent of the polled Americans were satisfied with allowing room for
      both God and Darwin - that is, divine initiative to get things started,
      evolution as the creative means. (This view, according to more than one papal
      pronouncement, is compatible with Roman Catholic dogma). Still fewer Americans,
      only 12 percent, believed that humans evolved from other life-forms without any
      involvement of God.

      The most startling thing about these pollnumbers is not that so many Americans
      reject evolution, but that the statistical breakdown hasn't change much in two
      decades. Gallup interviewers posed exactly the same choices in 1982, 1993, 1997,
      and 1999. The creationist conviction - that God alone, not evolution, produced
      humans - has never drawn less than 44 percent. In other words, nearly half the
      American populace prefers to believe that Charles Darwin was wrong where it
      mattered most."

      No wiec, jak widzisz, mozesz miec powody do optymizmu. Pokladaj ufnosc w
      Ameryce! Kto trzyma z Ameryka, zle na tym nie wychodzi!
      • Gość: pak Re: Cos optymistycznego dla Ciebie, Paku: IP: 82.177.83.* 26.05.05, 12:57
        Coz, mysle, iz rozumiem twoja frustracje. Dla kogos takiego jak ty, wychowanego
        na starych dobrych ksiazkach do bilogii i tkwiacemu zapewne gdzies w czasach,
        kiedy to z aprobata czytalo sie takie jak te teksty wielkiego Darwina:

        "The American Aborigines, Negros and Europeans are as differant from each other
        in mind as any three races that can be named."

        "I could not have believed how wide was the difference between savage and
        civilised man."

        They seemed to possess "insufficient powers of reasoning" to discern nonobvious
        connections between moral laws and public welfare, and they lacked self-
        discipline; "Their utter licentiousness, not to mention unnatural crimes, is
        something astounding."

        "Their language scarcely deserves to be called articulate, their houses are
        like what children make in the Summer with boughs of trees, nor were these
        homes graced by affection between husband and wife."

        "I feel quite a disgust at the very sound of the voices of these miserable
        savages."

        "Their judgements are in error, yielding patterns of behavior that are
        pointless, if not, indeed, in complete opposition to the true welfare and
        happiness of mankind."

        ... musi byc ciezko zrozumiec, ze cos sie zmienia.
        W Stanach mamy juz lekkie odprezenie; z reszta Amerykanie nigdy nie byli takimi
        wielkimi zwolennikami TE. W koncu dowody na istnienie nowego gatunku w postaci
        zeba swini w Niemczech, ulamka kosci malpy w Anglii i czaszki zmarlego niedawno
        gruzlika gdzies indziej, nie wielu przekonuja.
        W Stanach, jak juz powiedzialem, ida zmiany i czy ktos tego chce czy nie,
        zmiany przyjda tez do Polski. Troche pozniej ale nie ma juz odwrotu. No chyba,
        ze jakis szanujacy sie naukowiec nauk przyrodniczych pokaze w laboratorium, jak
        to z jednego gatunku powstaje spontanicznie inny, albo z materii nieozywionej
        zycie.
        • t0g Re: Cos optymistycznego dla Ciebie, Paku: 26.05.05, 14:46
          Gość portalu: pak napisał(a):

          > Coz, mysle, iz rozumiem twoja frustracje.

          Frustracja? Chyba mylna diagnoza. Ja sie nie czuje sfrustrowany. jezeli juz, to rozbawiony.
          • europitek Re: Cos optymistycznego dla Ciebie, Paku: 26.05.05, 16:51
            Wiem paku, ze to dla Ciebie zabrzmi dziwnie, ale chce ci podziekowac za
            ugruntowanie wsrod pitekow przekonania o slusznosci koncepcji teorii ewolucji -
            ostatniego watpiacego udalo sie przekonac ta czaszka gruzlika.
            • Gość: pak Z zycia ewolucjonisty IP: 82.177.83.* 26.05.05, 17:53
              In 1922, Henry Fairfield Osborn, the director of the American Museum of Natural
              History, declared that he had found a fossil molar tooth belonging to the
              Pliocene period in western Nebraska near Snake Brook. This tooth allegedly bore
              common characteristics of both man and ape. An extensive scientific debate
              began surrounding this fossil, which came to be called "Nebraska man," in which
              some interpreted this tooth as belonging to Pithecanthropus erectus, while
              others claimed it was closer to human beings. Nebraska man was also immediately
              given a "scientific name," Hesperopithecus haroldcooki.

              Many authorities gave Osborn their support. Based on this single tooth,
              reconstructions of Nebraska man's head and body were drawn. Moreover, Nebraska
              man was even pictured along with his wife and children, as a whole family in a
              natural setting.

              All of these scenarios were developed from just one tooth. Evolutionist circles
              placed such faith in this "ghost man" that when a researcher named William
              Bryan opposed these biased conclusions relying on a single tooth, he was
              harshly criticized.

              In 1927, other parts of the skeleton were also found. According to these newly
              discovered pieces, the tooth belonged neither to a man nor to an ape. It was
              realized that it belonged to an extinct species of wild American pig called
              Prosthennops. William Gregory entitled the article published in Science in
              which he announced the truth, "Hesperopithecus Apparently Not an Ape Nor a
              Man."235 Then all the drawings of Hesperopithecus haroldcooki and his "family"
              were hurriedly removed from evolutionary literature.

    • miroslaw_krupinski Re: Powolny zmierzch TE 26.05.05, 16:14
      Nie masz racji! TE juz dawno temu umarla smiercia
      naturalna! Pan Bog stworzyl Swiat w 6 dni, kilka tysiecy
      lat temu, i tak jest w Pismie Swietym! Wiem to od samego
      Ojca Swietego Benedykta!
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