Le Pen...Europa sie budzi

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    • Gość: Fredzio Re: Le Pen...Europa sie budzi IP: *.tnt2.s2.uunet.de 21.04.02, 23:09
      La Pen Prezydent
      beda Pogromy i mord Zydow, bedzie emigracja do Izraela i Palestyna Zdechnie !
      • Gość: ktos Re: Le Pen...Europa sie budzi IP: *.acn.pl / 10.134.128.* 21.04.02, 23:13
        Gość portalu: Fredzio napisał(a):

        > La Pen Prezydent
        > beda Pogromy i mord Zydow, bedzie emigracja do Izraela i Palestyna Zdechnie !

        Martwe zydy beda emigrowac i straszyc po nocach Palestynczykow???
      • Gość: mirmat Dlaczego Araby demonstruja przeciw Le Penowi??? IP: *.dialup.eol.ca 22.04.02, 16:17
        Fredzio napisal: "La Pen Prezydent beda Pogromy i mord Zydow, bedzie emigracja
        do Izraela i Palestyna Zdechnie !

        To dlaczego arabscy islamisci i anty-Izraelscy lewacy organizuja w Paryzu
        zadymy przeciw Le Penowi ?????????? Fredzio, obudz sie i japij sie kawy.
        Francuzi maja dosc 8-miu milionow islamskich fanatykow teroryzujacych ich kraj.
    • Gość: ktos Re: Le Pen...Europa sie budzi IP: *.acn.pl / 10.134.128.* 21.04.02, 23:14
      Niech sobie wszyscy wbija do swoich glow, ze liberalizm nie ma nic wspolnego z
      komunistycznymi czerwonymi pijawkami!
    • Gość: Oszołom Roman Giertych o Le Penie IP: *.poznan.sdi.tpnet.pl 22.04.02, 13:14
      Według wiceszefa LPR Romana Giertycha, zwycięstwo Jean-Marie Le Pena w wyborach
      prezydenckich we Francji oznaczałoby koniec UE, a zdobycie większości
      parlamentarnej przez jego ugrupowanie - początek końca Unii.

      W pierwszej turze wyborów prezydenckich, które odbyły się w niedzielę we
      Francji, pierwsze miejsce zajął obecny prezydent, konserwatysta Jacques Chirac
      z 20 proc. głosów. Według wyników sondażowych, na drugim miejscu uplasował się
      przywódca skrajnie prawicowego Frontu Narodowego Jean-Marie Le Pen, na którego
      głosowało 17 proc. Obaj wystartują w drugiej turze, 5 maja.

      Zdaniem Giertycha, taki wynik wyborów oznacza, że tradycyjny podział na lewicę
      i prawicę w Europie to już przeżytek - przyszłość mają
      ugrupowania "patriotyczne, narodowe i antyestablishmentowe".

      "Skończył się wiek XX, zaczął się nowy wiek, nowa epoka, w której ludzie
      potrzebują wyrażać myśli polityczne inaczej, niż to było dotychczas" - ocenił
      polityk LPR.

      "Jeśliby Le Pen został prezydentem Francji to oznacza koniec UE. Jeśli Front
      Narodowy uzyskałby większość w parlamencie francuskim, to nie oznacza może
      końca UE, ale początek jej końca na pewno" - powiedział poseł Ligi.

      Dodał, że on sam "nie za wszystkie wypowiedzi Le Pena dałby głowę" - na
      przykład nie zgodziłby się z "wybielaniem" przez niego roli Niemców w II wojnie
      światowej, ale "ruch narodowy ma w każdym kraju swoją specyfikę". "Szczerze mu
      tego sukcesu gratuluję" - podkreślił Giertych.

      "Nawet jeśli Le Pen nie zostanie prezydentem, to prawdopodobnie Front Narodowy
      będzie pierwszą albo drugą siłą polityczną w wyborach parlamentarnych" -
      powiedział lider LPR.

      Jego zdaniem pewne jest, że front narodowy będzie bardzo znaczącą siłą
      polityczną we Francji, a wiec także w Europie. "Dlatego tym bardziej zasadne
      jest nasze żądanie, które ja przedstawiłem ministrowi Włodzimierzowi
      Cimoszewiczowi o wypracowanie jakiejkolwiek alternatywy wobec UE. Bo co się
      zdarzy, kiedy parlament francuski zablokuje rozszerzenie UE?" - powiedział
      wiceszef klubu Ligi.

      Dodał, że jest gotów "współpracować z każdą siłą polityczną, która by taką
      alternatywę wypracowała". Jego zdaniem, konieczne jest już teraz rozważenie na
      przykład, czy w przypadku nie wejścia Polski do UE, chcemy odnowić układ
      stowarzyszeniowy, który wygasa za półtora roku, czy go renegocjować, czy też
      chcemy zwierać inne umowy dwustronne.
      • Gość: janek Re: Roman Giertych o Le Penie IP: 212.182.31.* 23.04.02, 01:10
        i pan gierytch ma w tym racje
    • Gość: mirmat Londynski_Times:Paryskie_Arabskie_Getto_LePena_Nig IP: *.dialup.eol.ca 23.04.02, 06:23
      Paris's Arab ghetto at the heart of Le Pen nightmare
      by Dominic Kennedy
      Fear is mounting among African immigrants of a new wave of racist violence




      FOR the true believers of France’s National Front, the problems all began in a
      shabby district of Paris, where fear yesterday was visible in the eyes of
      poorly dressed Arab men huddling together in dingy alleys.
      The famous Goutte d’Or district, near the Gare du Nord Eurostar terminal, is
      where the first wave of North African immigrants were brought to France during
      the First World War to replace Frenchmen dying in the trenches.

      Still a ghetto nearly a century later, the place looks like Jean-Marie Le Pen’s
      worst nightmare.

      Few white faces appear among the masses of Arabs, a sprinkling of black
      Africans, Rastafarians and East European Gypsies. Street vendors sell souvenirs
      from Mecca, spices and Arabic videos, while North African music blasts out of
      CD shops.

      One bearded old Algerian was cheered by young Arabs in a busy little café as he
      shouted: “I am not a Fascist. I am an anti-Fascist. If the French want to have
      a future of Fascism, they can have it. I have my own country.”

      Like many inhabitants of the overcrowded, impoverished district, the Algerian
      has no right to vote and views French society as an outsider.

      In one “Islamic restaurant”, none of the customers sitting amid piles of sticky
      Tunisian pastries could speak French.

      In Les Delices du Palais, a bazaar selling shiny trinkets, headscarves and
      North African pottery, Julien, a light-skinned 17-year-old, agreed with the
      shopkeeper that there was a mood of fear.

      This is the working class arrondissement of Paris, home of the bohemian tourist
      destination of Montmartre and the red-light district of Pigalle. Here, M Le Pen
      scored his best result within the city of Paris, with 11.2 per cent of the vote
      although M Jospin (22.6 per cent) came first in the district and M Chirac
      second with 17.7 per cent.

      The moderate Right of François Bayrou and Alain Madelin did worse here than in
      any other part of the capital. The area also recorded the poorest turnout in
      Paris of only 68.7 per cent.

      “People are frightened,” Kamel Grinant, 30, a thoughtful Algerian immigrant
      said while standing in a café packed with Arab men playing cards and chatting.

      “The young people, who were born here, and have French nationality, are not
      afraid because Jean-Marie Le Pen cannot touch them. But the older people, who
      were born abroad are afraid. He could make us leave. Le Pen is a racist and he
      is against the North Africans above all.”

      Yet M Grinant, who left his family in Algeria to find manual labour in France,
      knows he is lucky to be in the Goutte d’Or. “I have not experienced racism in
      Paris,” he said. “There is racism in the suburbs, but the fear of racist
      violence is worse on the French Riviera, which is all for Le Pen.”

      He was certain that most French are not racist and views the high vote for the
      National Front as a protest against President Chirac “who does nothing about
      unemployment”.

      The main political parties have turned their backs on the Goutte d’Or, with
      only the extreme Left candidates bothering to put up posters. Even they are
      outnumbered by those for rallies of solidarity with Palestine.

      M Grinant said that most young North Africans in France have a European
      mentality, drinking alcohol, shunning the mosque and failing to bother to vote.
      But he predicted a big turnout of young Arabs for the second round on May 5 to
      support M Chirac and defeat M Le Pen.

      In another café, Driouchi Kader and Ahmed Berrich, middle-aged Moroccan
      shopkeepers, were more relaxed about M Le Pen’s success, believing it to be a
      rejection of politicians rather than an uprising of racial hatred.

      “I have some customers who vote for the National Front and they are nice
      people,” said M Berrich, who came to France in 1968 and has voted for M Chirac
      in the past.

      His friend M Kader, a leftwinger, claimed that some North Africans vote for M
      Le Pen, but, when pressed, admitted he had never met any. Both men abstained on
      Sunday, but promised they will vote for M Chirac in the second round.

      A short ride on the RER suburban railway leads to the National Front’s
      stronghold in the outskirts of Paris, the sleepy town of Vaujours, where nearly
      a third of voters supported M Le Pen or Bruno Mégret, his far-right rival, M Le
      Pen came first here with 24.8 per cent, M Chirac second with 17.6 per cent and
      M Jospin a pathetic third on 11.9 per cent. M Mégret scored 3.7 per cent.

      This is no ugly ghetto but a community of clean streets, modest suburban villas
      and tidy lawns. A quiet main street suddenly burst into life yesterday as a car
      carrying three Arab teenagers braked and one of the youths jumped out, shouting
      at a white girl pedestrian, burdened by shopping: “Do you want to get in?” She
      ignored him but he stood his ground, laughing. “Are you sure?” He grinned
      before they drove away, highly amused.

      The first man to speak of M Le Pen’s huge vote here said that the National
      Front leader had done so well “because there are a lot of Arabs here and the
      places where people voted for Le Pen are the places with the most Arabs. The
      French blame the Arabs for stealing, a lot of raping, taking cars, shoplifting,
      stealing telephones. The French are right. The violence here is mostly Arab
      against French. It’s not French attacking Arabs.”

      This startling description came from Jacob, a 42-year-old who runs a hostel for
      35 immigrant families, mainly Arabs, whose bills are paid for by the State.
      Jacob is Egyptian.

      “I am an Arab. But the Arabs who grew up in France aren’t the same as us,” he
      said. “They have a vulgar way of speaking.”

      He estimated that there are three or four million illegal immigrants in France,
      who, as they have done since the First World War, are willing to do menial jobs
      which the French are reluctant to perform. He predicted a grim future for the
      illegal immigrants. “They should get their suitcases ready to leave,” he said.

      Vaujours is blessed with its own forest, where yesterday white families played
      tennis while a group of schoolchildren, nearly all of them Arabs, formed a
      circle around their teacher. Sitting in a field of daisies was Annick, a
      pleasant young middle-class woman, who voted for M Chirac. “It is a shock,” she
      said of M Le Pen’s success.

      She blamed “insecurity”, the word that everyone in Vaujours uses to explain the
      National Front’s breakthrough.

      “There is a lack of respect for others in society,” Annick said. “There is lots
      of fear. There is graffiti and aggression. Society is out of balance and the
      people chose an extreme to restore the balance. This is like an alarm bell.”

      Alain, a middle-aged white man drinking beer in a bar, snorted: “Le Pen is not
      racist. What he says is the truth. He says what no one else says. Everything is
      upside down. There is too much tolerance. Le Pen will get rid of the bad guys
      in the Government.”

      Not a single poster for M Le Pen was visible yesterday in central Vaujours. The
      National Front leader does not need them. He has spoken directly to the cold
      fear gripping so many French souls, and has brought a new dread to many others.
      LONDON TIMES, 23 KWIETNIA 2002



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