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Why tie Israel's hands?

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Why tie Israel's hands?
Why is Israel once again being held to a different standard from the rest of
the civilized world? Why is it OK for the U.S. (and Great Britain) to send in
special forces to Afghanistan to hunt down and capture or kill Osama bin Laden,
but not OK for Israel to hunt down and capture or kill Palestinian terrorists
who have been carrying out murders on Israeli soil for years?

Why must Israel, for the sake of the shaky U.S.-Arab coalition against
Afghanistan, turn the other cheek when Palestinian extremists shoot an Israeli
cabinet minister to death, the first time Arab terrorists killed a member of
Israel's government?

Since U.S. and British-led coalition forces are now making the rubble bounce
every day in Afghanistan in a bid to bomb the Taliban into coughing up bin
Laden, why isn't Israel justified in doing the same thing, not in some foreign
land, but to meet a threat within its borders?

Recently, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon unfairly accused the Bush
administration of unreasonably pressuring Israel to tone down its own war on
terror for the sake of America's war against terror. That followed statements
by both George Bush (and, now, British PM Tony Blair) in support of a
Palestinian homeland.

When Sharon suggested the West might be gearing up to sacrifice Israel to
Islamic terrorism, the way the Europe sacrificed Czechoslovakia to appease
Hitler in 1938, he entered into the realm of fantasy and paranoia.

After all, the U.S. funds Israel with $3 billion annually, hardly the actions
of an enemy.

That said, the Americans, still reeling from their own terrorist assaults of
Sept. 11
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    • Gość: st. Re: Why tie Israel's hands? IP: 124.112.140.* 20.10.01, 09:35
      Go Sharon, go Sharon... jezeli Arafat nie przestanie zwalczac terroryzmu
      wylacznie slowami to my zwalczymy terroryzm za niego... Go Sharon, go Sharon
      • Gość: MAJOR ......go Sharon Israelski terorysto i morderco kobiet i dzieci........ IP: *.ipt.aol.com 20.10.01, 09:45

        Go Sharon, go Sharon Israelski
        terorysto i morderco kobiet i
        dzieci, a Amerykanie czekajcie
        na nowe rozwalenie kilku wierzowcow
        w imie solidarnosci z Israelskimi
        mordercami.

        ========================
        Gość portalu: st. napisał(a):
        > Go Sharon, go Sharon... jezeli Arafat nie przestanie zwalczac terroryzmu
        > wylacznie slowami to my zwalczymy terroryzm za niego... Go Sharon, go Sharon

        • Gość: boss Re: ......go Sharon....... IP: *.sprint.ca 20.10.01, 10:01
          Gość portalu: MAJOR napisał(a):

          > Amerykanie czekajcie
          > na nowe rozwalenie kilku wierzowcow
          > w imie solidarnosci z Israelskimi
          > mordercami.

          MAJOR, jedz walczyc za Palestyne, dostaniesz to na co zaslugujesz...



          • Gość: klamstwo Sharon nigdy nie byl odpowiedzialny za Sabre i Shatile IP: 106.91.102.* 20.10.01, 10:12
            Sharon nigdy nie byl odpowiedzialny za Sabre i Shatile. Libijscy Chrzescijanie
            mordowali Palestynczykow po tym jak Palestynczycy wymordowali tych ktorzy ich
            przyjeli z otwartymi rekami czyli Libijczykow. Zaden Izraelczyk nie byl w to
            wmieszany. Jedynmi ludzmi co podrzynali gardla byli Libijczycy i nikt inny.
            Wbijcie to sobie do waszych lepetynek ze Libijska falanga z nudow wyrznela nie
            jak to pisza media 3000 ludzi tylko 800 i zaden Izraelczyk nie maczal w tym
            palcy. Pan Sharon jest odwaznym i madrym przedstawicielem Izraela.

            Retuszowane faktow przez Arabow sa znane na calym swiecie. ARABSKA PROPAGANDA!

            www.honestreporting.com/followup/01_tuvia.asp
            • Gość: asia Re: Sharon nigdy nie byl odpowiedzialny za Sabre i Shatile IP: *.mediacom.pl 20.10.01, 22:16
              Gość portalu: klamstwo napisał(a):

              > Sharon nigdy nie byl odpowiedzialny za Sabre i Shatile. Libijscy Chrzescijanie
              > mordowali Palestynczykow po tym jak Palestynczycy wymordowali tych ktorzy ich
              > przyjeli z otwartymi rekami czyli Libijczykow. Zaden Izraelczyk nie byl w to
              > wmieszany. Jedynmi ludzmi co podrzynali gardla byli Libijczycy i nikt inny.
              > Wbijcie to sobie do waszych lepetynek ze Libijska falanga z nudow wyrznela nie
              > jak to pisza media 3000 ludzi tylko 800 i zaden Izraelczyk nie maczal w tym
              > palcy. Pan Sharon jest odwaznym i madrym przedstawicielem Izraela.
              >
              > Retuszowane faktow przez Arabow sa znane na calym swiecie. ARABSKA PROPAGANDA!
              >
              > <a href="http://www.honestreporting.com/followup/01_tuvia.asp">www.honestreport
              > ing.com/followup/01_tuvia.asp</a>

              Nie daj się propagandzie. Na początek zajrzyj do atlasu. Znajdź różnicę pomiędzy
              Libią i Libanem. Zapewniam trudniej będzie Tobą manipulować, gdy będziesz
              wiedziało więcej "kłamstewko";)
            • Gość: wojo!!!! Re: Sharon nigdy nie byl odpowiedzialny za Sabre i Shatile IP: 213.8.145.* 27.10.01, 23:27
              Gość portalu: klamstwo napisał(a):

              > Sharon nigdy nie byl odpowiedzialny za Sabre i Shatile. Libijscy Chrzescijanie
              > mordowali Palestynczykow po tym jak Palestynczycy wymordowali tych ktorzy ich
              > przyjeli z otwartymi rekami czyli Libijczykow. Zaden Izraelczyk nie byl w to
              > wmieszany. Jedynmi ludzmi co podrzynali gardla byli Libijczycy i nikt inny.
              > Wbijcie to sobie do waszych lepetynek ze Libijska falanga z nudow wyrznela nie
              > jak to pisza media 3000 ludzi tylko 800 i zaden Izraelczyk nie maczal w tym
              > palcy. Pan Sharon jest odwaznym i madrym przedstawicielem Izraela.
              >
              > Retuszowane faktow przez Arabow sa znane na calym swiecie. ARABSKA PROPAGANDA!
              >
              > <a href="http://www.honestreporting.com/followup/01_tuvia.asp">www.honestreport
              > ing.com/followup/01_tuvia.asp</a>

              arabstwo klamie!!!
    • Gość: Yidele Are Israel's hands tied? IP: *.budimex.com.pl 20.10.01, 20:55
      Israel has been a state under siege since its inception - The existance of
      Israel has thus far been guaranteed ONLY by the blood & the guts of the
      Israelis, not by presence of foreign troops nor by the "restraint" of her
      neighbors. The notion that someone, somewhere is holding back an Israeli
      onslaught is as false as the notion that if the US. suddenly disappeared from
      the middle east the jewish state would just vanish - surely the truth lies
      somewhere between those radiculous assertions. Thus far America's "War against
      Terrorism" has concentrated on two fronts: The anthrax paranoia at home & the
      bombing of Afghanistan. Neither of these actions has any direct effect on
      lessening the threat of terrorist action in Israel. Either of these actions can
      potentially aggravate the Israeli - Palestinian conflict, In my opinion the
      death of the late turism minister Rehavam Zeevi shows just how that is alredy
      happening. With all the respect due to the CIA, the world's foremost terrorist
      organizations do not reside in Afghanistan but in Syrian controlled Lebannon,
      Syria herself, Jordan and Iraq. The US. has been very carefully pointing the
      finger at a single man being hidden by one of this worlds most underdeveloped
      nations - not at Hamas, pplf, islamic Jihad or the Hezbollah which aren't
      hiding at all. The inescapable conclusion is this: The US. is looking for a
      trophy, not a solution to the present crisis. The fractured dynamics of the
      present day middle east are all in America's favor, the resolution of the
      Palestynian - Israeli crisis is not, neither is a comprehensive solution to the
      terrorist menace and the issues behind it. America's economy has been on a
      permanent war time footing since the end of the second war and now it has found
      a new enemy...


      P.s
      It is my firm belief that the restraint which Israel has shown in tolerating
      terrorism against its people and state may well come to an end if the US
      decides to make peace at our cost. To date the government & the people of the
      united states had no truer ally, no firmer support in the middle east than
      Israel - it would be sheer folly to jeopardise this relationship for anything
      as fleeting as support of those who do not know the concept of peace, have no
      obligation to respect an oath given to an "infidel" and cannot accept the basic
      premise of live and let live. ( unless of course, things are so bad that
      failing this last push, the world's formost economy must come a'beggin )

      • Gość: boss Re: Are Israel's hands tied? - let me see... IP: *.sprint.ca 23.10.01, 08:16
        WASHINGTON (CNN)
        • Gość: # Re: Are Israel's hands tied? - let me see... IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 25.10.01, 01:32
          www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2000/index.cfm?docid=2450
    • Gość: ! Re: Why tie Israel's hands? IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 24.10.01, 20:04
      www.iacsp.com/downloads.html
    • Gość: +Matrix2 Bush's Mideast Charade IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 25.10.01, 18:54
      October 25, 2001

      ESSAY
      Bush's Mideast Charade
      By WILLIAM SAFIRE


      Join a Discussion on William Safire's Columns




      ASHINGTON

      To read the headlines, you would think a major rift was growing between the
      U.S. and its only dependable ally in the Middle East.

      Our State Department "demands" that Israel end its forays into West Bank
      terrorist centers and promise never to respond punitively again.
      Israel "rebuffs" this angry order and "defies" the U.S. spokesman. Then Colin
      Powell brushes aside President Bush's cautious "as quickly as possible" and
      escalates the call for withdrawal to "immediate."

      But the Bush administration knows full well that Israel cannot turn the other
      cheek when one of its cabinet ministers is assassinated. And it knows that at a
      moment when the U.S. is dispatching bombers and soldiers to kill the assassins
      of 6,000 of our citizens harbored by the Taliban in Afghanistan, it is the
      height of hypocrisy to demand that our ally refrain from hunting down killers
      harbored by the P.L.O.

      Bush's advisers are also well aware that to insist publicly that Ariel Sharon
      do as we say, not as we do, begs for a "rebuff." Even Israel's dovish former
      foreign minister sees through it: "Imagine now that Sharon says, `Well, all
      right, I withdraw,' " notes Shlomo Ben-Ami. "Then what will be the image of
      Israel in the Arab world? Its deterrent capability, its steadfastness would be
      seriously eroded."

      If the U.S. order to withdraw is both patently hypocritical and certain to be
      rejected, why are Colin Powell and his spokesman sent out to beat up on the
      Israelis?

      One answer is obvious: This is supposed to show the Arab "street" that the U.S.
      is not pro-Israel, that we are evenhanded brokers of Palestinian peace. Our
      message is that it's O.K. for Pakistanis, Egyptians and Saudis to be with us
      against the bin Laden terrorists in Afghanistan because the U.S. does not blame
      Arafat when suicide bombers kill Israeli teenagers.

      Another answer is "coalition building." For example: Because Iran is angry at
      being used as the route for the Taliban's heroin exports, and because its
      clerics also despise Iraq's Saddam Hussein — then maybe if we publicly
      castigate Israel and privately condone Iran's support of Hezbollah
      terrorism, "moderate" ayatollahs will not oppose our terrorist hunt in
      Afghanistan.

      The charade in Washington is accompanied by a wink toward supporters of Israel
      in the U.S.: this "demand" supposedly helps Sharon politically. By making it
      possible for him to strike a courageous pose of standing up to the U.S.
      pressure, we help Sharon solidify his hard right, cool the dissension on his
      soft left and increase his popularity among embattled Israelis in the center.
      At the same time, columnists of my ilk are sent word that — Powell's ostensible
      tilt toward Arafat to the contrary — the president's hawkish heart is still in
      the right place.

      All this diplomacy by deflection is too clever by three-quarters. Just as
      corrupt Arab potentates try to protect themselves from the fury of their
      downtrodden subjects by fanning hatred of the U.S. and the West, we are trying,
      through our charade of selective antiterrorism, to deflect that hatred over to
      Israel exclusively. (Don't blame us, it goes — see how we're pressuring the
      Jews on your behalf?)

      Such buck-passing won't work. With logic, followers of Osama bin Laden will
      say, "By killing thousands of Americans, we got the U.S. to put pressure on
      Israel. In the same way, by panicking Americans with the threat of germ
      warfare, we will force the infidels to abandon their Jewish ally. And
      then . . ."

      The consequence of our misbegotten diplomacy of deflection would be intensified
      attacks on America. The way to discourage war on our homeland is to show no
      weakness, to demonstrate forcefully that atrocities committed here gain no
      victories in the Middle East or anywhere.

      This year Arafat invited the terrorist Popular Front for the Liberation of
      Palestine to move from Damascus to the West Bank. The P.F.L.P. proudly claims
      that its hit men murdered the Israeli cabinet minister, an act of war. Israel
      is obliged to go after his killers just as we are duty bound to go after the
      killers of Americans.

      The troops will withdraw in a couple of days. But the proper response to our
      ally's self-defense is to understand Israel's lonely anguish and applaud its
      resolve. Such a principled expression of presidential steadfastness should be,
      in Secretary Powell's word, "immediate."




      • Gość: 1 Re: Bush's Mideast Charade IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 25.10.01, 19:36
        I may have also eaten at that Palestinian owned restaurant, if that was the one
        on Geary.

        I remember a Palestinian at the company I worked at in Silicon Valley, he would
        tell other employees that the Israeli used rubber bullets because they did MORE
        damage when they hit, as opposed to real bullets. My colleagues believed this.
        I know that when Arafat recently fired on Palestinian supporters of Bin Laden,
        he first used tear gas, then rubber bullets, then real bullets.

        BTW, that guy worked for and amongst Jews, who made him very rich. He quit the
        company rather quickly with no explanation, I don't know where he ended up...


    • Gość: 2 Re: Why tie Israel's hands? IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 25.10.01, 19:38
      It does not matter,for the purpose of this discussion, if it is a charade or a
      real change in policy. Looking like we have responded to terrorists' demands
      or, in my opinion, cover stories for violence only makes us more vulnerable.
      Bin Laden does not care about the Palestinians or anyone else. His use of
      religion is cynical. Terrorists care about increasing their power whether it is
      to dominate and destroy their own people, amass money or to destabilize the
      world. The target is freedom and diversity and the proponent of those values,
      the United States. We are foolish to think or behave otherwise.
    • Gość: nik One has to tie madman's hands. It's more safe... IP: 209.187.203.* 26.10.01, 17:35
      • Gość: ! Jeszcze szczekasz Wahabito! IP: *.cm-upc.chello.se 26.10.01, 17:48
        www.ict.org.il/
        • Gość: nik Czy Zydzi nie mają kutury? IP: 209.187.203.* 27.10.01, 18:49
          Czy Zydzi nie mają kultury?
          Czy kiedykolwiek są w stanie utrzymać się chidzby na przyzwoitym poziomie
          kultury dyskusji?
          Chyba nie bardzo. Widać to na tym forum.
          Ludy bliskowschodnie są najbardziej podatne na fanatyzm.
          • Gość: Yidele Fanatyzm IP: *.budimex.com.pl 27.10.01, 20:26
            Tak...nałatwiej załatwić wszystko jednym podumowaniem dla wszystkich, wtedy nie
            trzeba patrzeć na własną historię, czyny czy sumienie.. Kiedy jednak obudzisz
            się z swego wielowiekowego snu, otworzysz oczy i spojrzysz w lustro wieków i
            kultury tedy zdasz sobie sprawę z takich zjawisk jak:

            1)Wyprawy krzyżowe ( włącznie z wyprawą dzieci )
            2)Inkwizycja
            3)reformacja i wojna 30-letnia
            4)Hiszpańskie rzezie w "low countries"
            5)prześladowanie katolików przez protestantów
            6)Prześladowanie protestantów przez katolików
            7)preśladowania i pogromy żydów, ormian, cyganów i innych przez "Chrześcijan"
            9)I wojna światowa
            10)II wojna światowa
            11)shoah
            12)Katyń,Charkow,Miedonnoje i inne
            13)"Ehnic Cleansing" - wojna w byłej Jugosławi
            14)vlad tepes, Bernardo Gui, Giles de Rais, Hitler i wielu, wielu innych..

            pozwolę sobie zauważyć że wszystkie te zjawiska miały swój początek w europie,
            wykonane przez europejczyków ( w większości ludy indo-europejskie ) na innych
            eurpoejczykach i innych, nie europejskich ludach. Fanatycy...


            Shalom!
            • wojo!!!! Spokojnie,Izrael robi i zrobi co trzeba z teroryst 27.10.01, 20:54
              Spoko ,Izrael robi dobra robote . Wojsko swietnie wyszkolone , mocna
              motywacja wiedza co robia .
              Demokratyczne panstwo walczace caly czas z hordami terorystow
              arabskich ,majace wolna prase i dosc sporo lewackich dziennikarzy i
              otwarte granice ..............podziwiam ich.
              Teraz przyjezdzaja delegacje za delegacjami uczyc sie ,jak obronic
              spoleczenstwo ,linie lotnicze i zachowac stosunkowo normalny tryb zycia .
              Sposob na bezpieczenstwo lini lotniczej EL-AL jest teraz kopiowany w calym
              cywilizowanym Swiecie . Przyjezdzaja kupuja sprzet i ucza sie ,ucza sie
              . Tylko pytanie dlaczego tak pozno .
              Przeciez teror arabsko-muzulmanski szalal juz od konca szescdziesiatych
              lat ,a tylko od Izraela wymagano umiaru od bantytow nigdy.
              Gdy gineli Izraelczycy wyrazano ubolewanie i domagano sie
              wstrzemiezliwosci.
              Teraz USA i Europa poczula arabsko-muzulmanski oddech (niezbyt swiezy)
              na swoim karku i mam nadzieje ze moze obudza sie z letargu .
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