Baker - Bez Israel'a !!! ,...

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Bliskowschodnia konferencja obejdzie sie bez zioncow - Swiat siem wali ,...

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Baker wants Israel excluded from regional conference
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The White House has been examining a proposal by James Baker to launch a
Middle East peace effort without Israel.

The peace effort would begin with a U.S.-organized conference, dubbed Madrid-
2, and contain such U.S. adversaries as Iran and Syria. Officials said Madrid-
2 would be promoted as a forum to discuss Iraq's future, but actually focus
on Arab demands for Israel to withdraw from territories captured in the 1967
war. They said Israel would not be invited to the conference.

“As Baker sees this, the conference would provide a unique opportunity for
the United States to strike a deal without Jewish pressure,” an official
said. “This has become the most hottest proposal examined by the foreign
policy people over the last month.”

www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/Baker_1.htm

[zbalansowany]

Oj - smierdzi mi to trutka na szczury.

I niby kto zmusilby zioncow do oddania czegokolwiek?
Ta koszerna administracja amerykanska?

[bam_buko]

Ciekawe rzeczy zaczynaja sie dziac.....
Nawet Condonliza czujac pismo nosem(odstrzal) popiera incjatywe.Nigdy nie
przypuszczalem ,ze J.Backer jest jeszcze zdolny do jakiejs incjatywy ktora ktos
wezmie pod uwage.
Ameryka sie obudzila czy tylko przeciera oczy??

[o_brother1]

J.Backera naiwne pobozne pomysly.Nic podobnego sie nie stanie aby bez zioncow
teraz decydowano o zioncach.Zanim dojdzie do takiego spotkania w Madrycie czy
gdzie indziej to bedzie jeszcze tu w usowie wielkie bumbum mosadowskie
upozorowane na arabow.Coc 9/11 bis.
Ja ich znam do szpiku kosci.

[zbalansowany]

Fakt jest faktem, - takie wielkie BUM !!! w Debiljolandzie bylo by bardzo
zioncom na reke.

[o_brother1]

haaretz podaje co innego.
The bipartisan is recommending that talks involving Israel, Syria, Lebanon and
the Palestinians are held within a "Madrid Conference framework," referring to
the 1991 Madrid Conference.www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/797964.html

[z_daleka]

oj! Chyba bedzie trzeba tego bakera zmienic...

Przeciez tak jest na zyczenie Izraela...

[bolko_turan]

Jakie by to dla spoleczenstwa izraelskiego robilo wrazenie, gdyby rzad siedzial
przy stole razem z Iranem i Syria...

79 przykazań

[felusiak1]

Za kilka dni wszyscy o wszystkim zapomną a 79 przykazań pójdzie do kabaretów...

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I co , kontynuacja marszu lemingow pod batute zio-neo-con-artists ???

Zadziwiasz mnie juz nie krotkowzrocznoscia , ale kompletna slepota , bo
wiadomo jak to sie skonczy - Mam nadzieje ze Bush nie jest az taki durny ,...
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Za kilka dni wszyscy o wszystkim zapomną a 79 przykazań pójdzie do kabaretów...

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Pozatym widze pewne zmiany ,...

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Israelis piqued by nuclear "confirmation"
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By Dan Williams

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Robert Gates, the incoming U.S. secretary of defense, won
plaudits in Washington this week for his candor on the Iraq war

Some Israelis were less pleased, however, to hear Gates mention with equal
frankness what U.S. administrations have long avoided saying in public

[felusiak1]

Split, ssanie z fragmentów to jak lizak przez papierek.
Jeśli już chcesz doznać orgazmu to weź poczytaj transkrypt:
www.iht.com/articles/2006/12/06/america/web.1206gatestext.php
Kliknij sobie na "printer friendly"

BYRD: Do you believe the president has the authority, under either the 9/11 war
resolution or the Iraq war resolution, to attack Iran or to attack Syria?
GATES: To the best of my knowledge of both of those authorizations, I don't
believe so.

Powiedz mi split co odpowiedziałby Gates gdyby Byrd zadał mu pytanie w taki
sposób: Do you believe the president has the authority to attack Iran or to
attack Syria?

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Yes , jesli chodzi o atak jak Reagan w Granada , Libii , czy ojca obecnego ,
w Panama - So ???

Felusiak o co ci do fiuta chodzi ??? Otworz oczy my friend , spojrz trzezwo co
Bush zyskal sluchajac neo-cons ? Do jasnej cholery , right now he's a fuckin'
lame duck in shit up to his neck , worst and deeper than Carter ever was ,...

Tata , podeslal deske ratunku w postaci komisji Baker/Hamilton zeby bylo ladnie
i bi-partisan z reszta czlonkow , ktorzy maja prestiz i politycznie nie maja
nic do stracenia , jesli postawia sie zydowskiej lobby ,... Get it ???

Po lansku w Libanie nasz prestiz w Iraq'u sie skonczyl , eskalacja wojny
domowej eskaluje , nasz rzekomy niezawodny lotniskowiec , Israel stal sie
kula u nogi dla naszego interesu na Bliskim Wschodzie , a blanket poparcie
malego bully na Bliskim Wschodzie zagraza lokalnym rezimom , stabilizacji
i jest o krok od religijnej rewolty ,...
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Powiedz mi split co odpowiedziałby Gates gdyby Byrd zadał mu pytanie w taki
sposób: Do you believe the president has the authority to attack Iran or to
attack Syria?

baker upiekł niekoszerny zakalec

[aaki]

:-/

[z_daleka]

no wlasnie. Zakalca nikt do ust nie wezmie, a juz niekoszernego...tfuj...

[aaki]

mnie niekoszernośc nie przeszkadza ale niektórym zydom raczej tak.
pewnie bedą chcieli zmienić piekarza bo tym jego dotychczasowym chlebkiem to sie erec moze udławić

[z_daleka]

zgadza sie. Piekarz, ktory piecze zakalce powinien sie przekwalifikowac, albo
nauczyc sie piec strawne ciasteczka...

[misterpee]

absololutnie ani jednym slowem nie wspomniano autora 9/11.

i blair coś zmienia front... hm....

[aaki]

www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/798318.html

Baker: Czemu nie rozmawiac z Syria i Iranem ?

[gosc88]

Przeciez to mniejsi wrogowie (nawet razem wzieci) niz - swojego czasu - ZSRR, z
ktorym dialog byl prowadzony.

[misterpee]

There is much more at stake for America than Iraq
By Zbigniew Brzezinski

Published: December 4 2006 19:17 | Last updated: December 4 2006 19:17

This is the week in which a painful truth finally came calling on power in the
Oval Office of the White House. The president, though still mouthing his self-
reassuring slogans to the public, has on his desk two documents, each telling
him in effect that “mission accomplished” has turned into mission bust.

Superficially, the two documents could not be more different. Donald Rumsfeld’s
memo on the conduct of the military operations in Iraq, submitted just prior to
his sudden dismissal, is a very brief and highly personal summary of the
various tactical adjustments that might be considered in the light of the
setbacks in fighting the Iraqi insurgency. It conveys anxiety but offers no
strategic alternative.


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The long-awaited Baker-Hamilton Study Group report assessing broader US policy
options in Iraq is a lengthy compromise statement reflecting a typical, middle-
of-the-road consensus among an elite Washington “focus group”, composed of
esteemed individuals not handicapped by much historical or geopolitical
familiarity with the region’s problems.

Arguing for conditional military redeployment from Iraq, it offers sound advice
on the desirability of wider diplomatic initiatives to engage Iraq’s neighbours
in a collective search for regional stability, including the belated need to
tackle seriously the lingering Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

The real importance of both documents is in what they do not say explicitly but
implicitly convey: that the war has been a disaster; that the US must find a
way to disengage by handing over the mess it created to the Iraqi leaders that
the US itself had elevated to power; and that eventually the US may have to
leave while blaming those same leaders for the US failure to cope. That notion
is implicit even in some of Mr Rumsfeld’s options and it is inherent in the 16-
months deadline set by the Baker-Hamilton group for eventual US military
disengagement.

Neither document faces squarely two basic and troubling realities: that since
in Iraq (except for Kurdistan) real power is not in the hands of the Iraqi
politicians resident in the US-protected Green Zone in Baghdad, any political
solution must engage the Shia theocracy, with its militias; and that the longer
the American occupation continues, the already declining US influence in the
Middle East will give way to regional extremism and instability, especially if
continuing indecision over the basic strategic choices in Iraq continue to be
matched by US unwillingness to address the negative regional consequences of
Israel’s prolonged and increasingly repressive occupation of the Palestinians.

The combination of the two has already elevated Iran’s geopolitical power in
the region. Hence the need of the moment is not for tactical tinkering or long
consensus reports. Can one imagine Charles de Gaulle in the late 1950s waiting
weeks for a long study by French public figures on how to end the Algerian war
that was damaging France’s national unity and international reputation?
Leadership derived from a sense of history requires sometimes the cutting of
Gordian knots, not tying oneself up in knots.

The president, and America’s political leadership, must recognise that the US
role in the world is being gravely undermined by the policies launched more
than three years ago. The destructive war in Iraq, the hypocritical
indifference to the human dimensions of the stalemate in Israeli- Palestinian
relations, the lack of diplomatic initiative in dealing with Iran and the
frequent use of Islamophobic rhetoric are setting in motion forces that
threaten to push America out of the Middle East, with dire consequences for
itself and its friends in Egypt, Israel, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

America needs a strategic change of course, and it has to be undertaken on a
broad front. It must accept the fact that real leadership in Iraq should be
based on a coalition of the Shia clergy commanding the loyalty of Shia militias
and of the autonomous Kurds and that the sooner a date is set for US departure,
the sooner the authentic Iraqi leaders will be able to enlist Iraq’s neighbours
in a wider regional effort to promote a more stable Iraq. It must also engage
its allies in a joint definition of the basic parameters of an Israeli-
Palestinian settlement, for the two parties to the conflict will never do so on
their own. Last but not least, the US must be ready to pursue multilateral and
bilateral talks with Iran, including regional security issues.

In brief, the immediate dilemma is Iraq but the larger stake is the future of
the Middle East.

[misterpee]

opuscimy Irak - bedzie balagan, jezeli tam zostaniemy - bedzie straszny balagan.

websrvr80il.audiovideoweb.com/il80web20037/ThinkProgress/2006/zb.320.240.mov

[z_daleka]

Fronty sie zmieniaja, taka ich natura... spojrz aaki np. na fronty pogodowe...
dokladnie tak samo jest w polityce. Nie ma sie czym podniecac. Idzie front
chlodny, nalezy wyciagnec jesionke z naftaliny, idzie cieply...odpastowac
sandaly... Idzie wilgotny...nie zapominac parasola i gumiakow.

[genom3]

z tego samego powodu dla ktorego nie warto gadac z tobo

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Ten co teraz idzie parasol nie wystarczy - Wyglada ze bedziesz potrzebowal
neopreme waders ,... Moge ci odpalic prawie nowe w camuflage design , chyba
tylko dwa bączki w nich puscilem ,...

www.riversedgeflyshop.com/images/Products/wader2_bare.jpg
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Idzie wilgotny...nie zapominac parasola i gumiakow.

explicit to dopiero ciezki przypadek

[genom3]