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IP: *.mco.bellsouth.net 25.07.03, 16:59
>> Artykul z 'Guardian'a ukazuje jak Izrael wiezi niewinne dzieci
palestynskie i jakim torturom sa one poddawane. Przypominam ze Palestynczycy
znajduja sie od 36 lat pod okupacja syjonistycznych elementow, przy ktorych
Hitler wydaje sie aniolkiem!!! Kiedy wreszcie Arabowie zjednocza sie i
wytopia te syjonistyczne wieprze walajace sie w Palestynskiej krwi???!!

Frightening rumours leak out about sons held in cells

Chris McGreal in Deheisha, West Bank
Friday July 25, 2003
The Guardian

Israel's security system sucked 15-year-old Mohammed Najaar behind the
barbed wire of its labyrinth of detention camps nine months ago. For weeks
the boy's desperate father heard only disturbing fragments about his son. A
former prisoner told Hassan Najaar that his child had been held in solitary
confinement for more than a month; another claimed the boy had been hung
upside down and interrogated.
Finally, a lawyer told Mr Najaar that a military judge had ordered
Mohammed's continued detention on accusations that even his lawyer is not
permitted to know. He has not heard any of this directly from his son
because the Israeli authorities refuse to allow him to see or write to him.

"We were told through other prisoners who were released that Mohammed was
held in solitary confinement for 45 days in a row, that he was treated very
badly," he said. "They say he was singing all the time. It's a sign of
hallucinations.

"I was really worried about him, but you can't visit prisoners until the
Shin Bet [security service] has finished its interrogation, and it says it
hasn't finished yet."

Mohammed Najaar is one of about 6,000 Palestinian prisoners in Israeli
jails, including 350 children, whose continued detention has surfaced as the
principal obstacle on the "road map" to peace.

The Israeli government is offering to free a few hundred of the thousands of
detainees, for now at least, but not those with "blood on their hands".
Talks between the two prime ministers in Jerusalem this week degenerated
into a shouting match over the fate of the prisoners.

"People feel very strongly about the prisoners," said Diana Buttu, a lawyer
with the Palestinian negotiating team. "They are really symbolic of Israel's
occupation.

Mock trials


"We have statistics that 20% of the Palestinian population has been in
prison or detained by the Israelis. There's hardly anyone not touched by it.
Then there's the sense of injustice. Palestinians are often tortured in
prison. There are no visitation rights. And if there is a trial, it's a mock
trial."

The bulk of the prisoners have never been tried and many are not even told
the accusations against them. Just 1,461 have been convicted of any crime -
some of atrocities against civilians which the Israelis use to justify their
sweeping security laws. The Israeli human rights organisation B'Tselem says
many are locked up for their political views. "Security is interpreted in an
extremely broad manner, such that non-violent speech and political activity
are considered dangerous," it said.

Mohammed Najaar is one of about 800 people held without charge
under "administrative detention" - a system used when there is not enough
evidence to take a case to court. Detentions can be renewed every six months
by a military judge. Some detainees have been held for more than a decade.

The army came for Mohammed and his 17-year-old brother Mahmoud at 3am one
day last November. Their family - including an 18-month-old baby - was given
one minute to get out of the house in Deheisha and into the freezing winter
night.

"Do you know the feeling when you are asleep and someone bursts in and you
are staring at this face covered in camouflage paint?" Mr Najaar said. "It
was a shock, like seeing ghosts."

The soldiers refused to give a reason for the arrests of Mohammed and
Mahmoud. Four days later Mr Najaar heard through a Palestinian prisoners'
organisation that the elder of the two was in a prison in the Negev desert.
But it took him two months to find out that Mohammed was being held at
Etzion detention camp.

Mohammed was finally able to see a lawyer, Tamar Pelleg-Sryck, in January.
She confirms that the boy was held in solitary confinement for 45 days. She
does not know if he was physically abused, as some prisoners have told his
father, but believes he is suffering psychological torture. "Think of
yourself at age 15, pulled out of home and put in a terrible place," she
said. "He's not well. He treats me just like a grandmother in the questions
he asked. He seems like a child compared to the other people his age. It's
very cruel."

Ms Pelleg-Sryck says the army still refuses to reveal the accusations
against Mohammed. She was able to glean that they are based on information
from a single detained Palestinian who under interrogation confirmed that he
knew the boy and that he had shown an interest in joining the armed
struggle.

Ms Pelleg-Sryck considers that to be flimsy evidence, and is particularly
outraged that interrogators have not asked Mohammed's older brother about
it.

Mahmoud has been charged with a range of crimes, including stone throwing,
attempting to make a bomb, and membership of a banned organisation. But
Mohammed remains in limbo. When in May he turned 16 years old - the age at
which Israeli military law regards him as an adult - he was brought before a
military judge who extended his detention for six months. He was moved to
Ofra detention camp near Ramallah and interrogated for a further 10 days.

Mr Najaar said his son had described the interrogation to a third party who
passed it on. "The Israelis said, 'Just say you made a mistake,' but he
refused. He said he hadn't done anything. The interrogator provoked
him, 'Have you ever been fucked anywhere, kid?' This is very shocking for
us," Mr Najaar said.

Israeli officials decline to discuss specific cases, but defend
administrative detention by pointing out that the US is doing much the same
in Guantanamo Bay.

"Every country that has to cope with the phenomenon of terrorism has found
it has had to use administrative detention," said an Israeli government
legal adviser, Daniel Taub. "It is one of the tools in the fight against
terrorism, because intelligence is a major weapon, and sometimes it is
necessary to keep it secret."


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    • marcus_crassus wiesz kiedy???wtedy kiedy beda chcieli powtorki 25.07.03, 17:53
      z 1967 i 1973 :D

      wymyslilem nawet dla ciebie pioseneczke,bedziesz mogl zanucic:

      plona czolgi plona,
      arabskie czolgiki:))))
      plona czolgi plona,
      wewnatrz plona arabiki:)))))

      podoba sie???:D
    • brennton Wieprzowa orgia po chinsku, super jedzonko! 25.07.03, 18:06
      AhmeD, wypowiadasz sie jak pijany po trzech piwach.

      Wieprzowina po chinsku, na slodko-kwasno, to przeciez super danie!

      jakie masz problemy z wieprzowinka?
      ze nie czysta?
      Tak, jak Twoja zona?

      Zglos sie do Hindusow.
      oni ci powiedza, ze wieprzowina jest super!

      a jak bedziesz chcial wolowinke
      wpadnij do Argentyny
      Ci sa w tym specjalisci.
      • Gość: A.D. He,he... IP: *.mco.bellsouth.net 25.07.03, 18:31
        brennton napisał:

        > AhmeD, wypowiadasz sie jak pijany po trzech piwach.
        >
        > Wieprzowina po chinsku, na slodko-kwasno, to przeciez super danie!
        >
        > jakie masz problemy z wieprzowinka?
        > ze nie czysta?
        > Tak, jak Twoja zona?
        >
        > Zglos sie do Hindusow.
        > oni ci powiedza, ze wieprzowina jest super!
        >
        > a jak bedziesz chcial wolowinke
        > wpadnij do Argentyny
        > Ci sa w tym specjalisci.


        >> Mowilem juz raz zebys do mnie nie pisal. Szczegolnie wowczas jak otworzysz
        sobie okno tej nory, w ktorej wegetujesz i wraz z powiewem swiezego powietrza
        wpada tobie w slepia kawalek zyda z cmentarza. Czy tez moze po prostu kawalek
        innego psiego gowna z tych, ktore pozostawiasz tam dla zydow uczczenia,
        wyprowadzajac kundla swojej sasiadki na groby zydow obesranie. Spogladajac na
        realia zycia przez taki smierdzacy kundlem pryzmat, istotnie jest trudne...


        P.S. Wolowine jadalem w Argentynie przez lat kilka. Obecnie nie jadam zadnej,
        bo kwestia prionow wyglada niezbyt zachecajaca dla tych, ktorzy chca zyc.
        Sadze ze jadasz duzo wolowych ochlapow, bo te priony demonstrujesz w kazdym
        mnie adresowaniu. Ciekawym kiedy bedziesz objawial problemy z utrzymaniem sie
        na nogach, jak kazde inne bydle choroba 'wscieklych krow' porazone...
        • brennton Ahmed, musze Cie zmartwic, 25.07.03, 18:41
          jak kazdy anty-islamista jadam glownie wieprzowine.
          Wiec te priony mi raczej nie groza.

          A co Ty masz, chlopie do Argentyny?
          Przeciez to piekny kraj.

          A co do cmentarza zydoskiego na Okopowej.
          Nie boj sie, trzyma sie dobrze.
          Sa ludzie w Warszwawie, ktorzy o nim mysla.
          Nie tylko ja.
          • Gość: A.D. Nie martwie sie... IP: *.mco.bellsouth.net 28.07.03, 04:55
            brennton napisał:

            > jak kazdy anty-islamista jadam glownie wieprzowine.
            > Wiec te priony mi raczej nie groza.
            >
            > A co Ty masz, chlopie do Argentyny?
            > Przeciez to piekny kraj.
            >
            > A co do cmentarza zydoskiego na Okopowej.
            > Nie boj sie, trzyma sie dobrze.
            > Sa ludzie w Warszwawie, ktorzy o nim mysla.
            > Nie tylko ja.


            >>>No i sie nie przeziebiam. Nic nie mam do Argentyny. Zjezdzilem ja wzdluz i
            wszerz, od Ushuaia do Foz de Iquasu... Buenos Aires, Mendoza, Salta, San Juan,
            Bariloche, Comodoro Rivadavia, parki narodowe Patagonii, lodowce, jeziora, i
            kupe rzeczy po drodze... Lepsze to od wyprowadzania psa sasiadki aby 'cos'
            moglo trzymac twoj cmentarz do kupy...
    • Gość: A.D. Re: Wieprzowa orgia IP: *.mco.bellsouth.net 29.07.03, 16:52
      Gość portalu: A.D. napisał(a):

      > >> Artykul z 'Guardian'a ukazuje jak Izrael wiezi niewinne dzieci
      > palestynskie i jakim torturom sa one poddawane. Przypominam ze Palestynczycy
      > znajduja sie od 36 lat pod okupacja syjonistycznych elementow, przy ktorych
      > Hitler wydaje sie aniolkiem!!! Kiedy wreszcie Arabowie zjednocza sie i
      > wytopia te syjonistyczne wieprze walajace sie w Palestynskiej krwi???!!
      >
      > Frightening rumours leak out about sons held in cells
      >
      > Chris McGreal in Deheisha, West Bank
      > Friday July 25, 2003
      > The Guardian
      >
      > Israel's security system sucked 15-year-old Mohammed Najaar behind the
      > barbed wire of its labyrinth of detention camps nine months ago. For weeks
      > the boy's desperate father heard only disturbing fragments about his son. A
      > former prisoner told Hassan Najaar that his child had been held in solitary
      > confinement for more than a month; another claimed the boy had been hung
      > upside down and interrogated.
      > Finally, a lawyer told Mr Najaar that a military judge had ordered
      > Mohammed's continued detention on accusations that even his lawyer is not
      > permitted to know. He has not heard any of this directly from his son
      > because the Israeli authorities refuse to allow him to see or write to him.
      >
      > "We were told through other prisoners who were released that Mohammed was
      > held in solitary confinement for 45 days in a row, that he was treated very
      > badly," he said. "They say he was singing all the time. It's a sign of
      > hallucinations.
      >
      > "I was really worried about him, but you can't visit prisoners until the
      > Shin Bet [security service] has finished its interrogation, and it says it
      > hasn't finished yet."
      >
      > Mohammed Najaar is one of about 6,000 Palestinian prisoners in Israeli
      > jails, including 350 children, whose continued detention has surfaced as the
      > principal obstacle on the "road map" to peace.
      >
      > The Israeli government is offering to free a few hundred of the thousands of
      > detainees, for now at least, but not those with "blood on their hands".
      > Talks between the two prime ministers in Jerusalem this week degenerated
      > into a shouting match over the fate of the prisoners.
      >
      > "People feel very strongly about the prisoners," said Diana Buttu, a lawyer
      > with the Palestinian negotiating team. "They are really symbolic of Israel's
      > occupation.
      >
      > Mock trials
      >
      >
      > "We have statistics that 20% of the Palestinian population has been in
      > prison or detained by the Israelis. There's hardly anyone not touched by it.
      > Then there's the sense of injustice. Palestinians are often tortured in
      > prison. There are no visitation rights. And if there is a trial, it's a mock
      > trial."
      >
      > The bulk of the prisoners have never been tried and many are not even told
      > the accusations against them. Just 1,461 have been convicted of any crime -
      > some of atrocities against civilians which the Israelis use to justify their
      > sweeping security laws. The Israeli human rights organisation B'Tselem says
      > many are locked up for their political views. "Security is interpreted in an
      > extremely broad manner, such that non-violent speech and political activity
      > are considered dangerous," it said.
      >
      > Mohammed Najaar is one of about 800 people held without charge
      > under "administrative detention" - a system used when there is not enough
      > evidence to take a case to court. Detentions can be renewed every six months
      > by a military judge. Some detainees have been held for more than a decade.
      >
      > The army came for Mohammed and his 17-year-old brother Mahmoud at 3am one
      > day last November. Their family - including an 18-month-old baby - was given
      > one minute to get out of the house in Deheisha and into the freezing winter
      > night.
      >
      > "Do you know the feeling when you are asleep and someone bursts in and you
      > are staring at this face covered in camouflage paint?" Mr Najaar said. "It
      > was a shock, like seeing ghosts."
      >
      > The soldiers refused to give a reason for the arrests of Mohammed and
      > Mahmoud. Four days later Mr Najaar heard through a Palestinian prisoners'
      > organisation that the elder of the two was in a prison in the Negev desert.
      > But it took him two months to find out that Mohammed was being held at
      > Etzion detention camp.
      >
      > Mohammed was finally able to see a lawyer, Tamar Pelleg-Sryck, in January.
      > She confirms that the boy was held in solitary confinement for 45 days. She
      > does not know if he was physically abused, as some prisoners have told his
      > father, but believes he is suffering psychological torture. "Think of
      > yourself at age 15, pulled out of home and put in a terrible place," she
      > said. "He's not well. He treats me just like a grandmother in the questions
      > he asked. He seems like a child compared to the other people his age. It's
      > very cruel."
      >
      > Ms Pelleg-Sryck says the army still refuses to reveal the accusations
      > against Mohammed. She was able to glean that they are based on information
      > from a single detained Palestinian who under interrogation confirmed that he
      > knew the boy and that he had shown an interest in joining the armed
      > struggle.
      >
      > Ms Pelleg-Sryck considers that to be flimsy evidence, and is particularly
      > outraged that interrogators have not asked Mohammed's older brother about
      > it.
      >
      > Mahmoud has been charged with a range of crimes, including stone throwing,
      > attempting to make a bomb, and membership of a banned organisation. But
      > Mohammed remains in limbo. When in May he turned 16 years old - the age at
      > which Israeli military law regards him as an adult - he was brought before a
      > military judge who extended his detention for six months. He was moved to
      > Ofra detention camp near Ramallah and interrogated for a further 10 days.
      >
      > Mr Najaar said his son had described the interrogation to a third party who
      > passed it on. "The Israelis said, 'Just say you made a mistake,' but he
      > refused. He said he hadn't done anything. The interrogator provoked
      > him, 'Have you ever been fucked anywhere, kid?' This is very shocking for
      > us," Mr Najaar said.
      >
      > Israeli officials decline to discuss specific cases, but defend
      > administrative detention by pointing out that the US is doing much the same
      > in Guantanamo Bay.
      >
      > "Every country that has to cope with the phenomenon of terrorism has found
      > it has had to use administrative detention," said an Israeli government
      > legal adviser, Daniel Taub. "It is one of the tools in the fight against
      > terrorism, because intelligence is a major weapon, and sometimes it is
      > necessary to keep it secret."
      >
      >

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