over here

[Gość: 777]

jaka jest dokladna roznica w uzyciu here/over here albo there/over there. jak
mozna przetlumaczyc zdanie z 'over'?
dzieki z gory

[deadeasy]

dla mnie "over" to taki "przerywnik" ;)
Q:"Have you seen my course books anywhere?" (pytajac sie z drugiego pokoju na
przyklad).
A:"They are over here, on the table" / "They are here, on the table".


"come over (here)" - podejdz/przyjdz (zaleznie od kontekstu) "here" - opcjonalne

"over there" chyba uzywane jak sie wskazuje cos paluchem

[Gość: 777]

hm, dzieki, choc dalej nie wiem jak to uwzglednic w tlumaczeniu na przyklad...

[axxolotl]

Ach te niuanse jezykowe.

Come here! Chodz tutaj!
Come over here! Chodz no tutaj!

It's here. Tutaj to jest.
It's over here. O tutaj to jest. No tu to jest.

There. Tam
Over there. O tam. No tam.

Zalezy od kontekstu. Na wyczucie.

[Gość: 777]

aha, czyli taka nasza partykula, dzieki, pozdrawiam!

[axxolotl]

Nie wiem jak inaczej to przetlumaczyc. Jesli dodasz to "over"
do "here", "there" albo np do czasownika "come", "go", to po prostu akcentujesz
wieksza odleglosc.

"Over in Australia they speak funny English" znaczy to samo co "In Australia
they speak funny English." Pierwsze przetlumaczysz jako "Tam w Australii...",
a drugie po prostu "W Australii..."

[Gość: ms jones]

So far, we've had 3 days of snow over here but they say there's more on the way.

over here podkresla roznice miedzy 'tutaj' a 'gdzie indziej'
my tutaj mielismy (tylko/az)3 dni sniegu, wy - w domysle -duzo wiecej/albo wcale

[Gość: dawid]

Pretty neat Polish translation. Just lose "to"; I think it's kind of
artificial, isn't it? Anyway, I scarcely say it. :)

[axxolotl]

I don't know, maybe, I was just guessing. I hardly ever speak Polish.

[Gość: dawid]

Sorry, I didn't know that. I thought you were Polish.

[axxolotl]

Oh no, I am! But it's been ages since I've been to Poland and I just don't
have many opportunities to speak Polish.

[Gość: dawid]

Did you forget Polish? Shame on you! ;)

[axxolotl]

Zapomniec to nie zapomnialam, ale sie zatrzymalam w rozwoju. Ponadto narzedzie
nieuzywane rdzewieje, nie? Dopoki jeszcze czytalam ksiazki po polsku to bylo
dobrze, a teraz to mi juz dluzej zajmuje sformulowanie stylistycznie poprawnego
zdania.

[Gość: tym]

> Come over here! Chodz no tutaj!
NO.


> It's over here. O tutaj to jest. No tu to jest.
NO.


> Over there. O tam. No tam.
NO.


This "over" says there is an intermediary space that happens to be between
[here and there] or [there and here], which is not a stunning revelation.
Over there= (the place at the end of across from here to) there.
Over here= (the place at the end of across from there to) here.

"Get your behind over here" means get your behind (from wherever it is) across
the space between where it is and here to here.

[axxolotl]

Fajnie, tylko przetlumacz to na polski tak zeby jeszcze brzmialo po polsku.
Wiadomo, ze przetlumaczyc doslownie prawie nic sie nie da, bo wychodza kwiatki
w stylu thanks from the mountain.

Jak wiec przetlumaczysz np come over here? Chodz stamtad tutaj? Troche dziwnie
to brzmi.
Mam nadzieje ze tlumaczem nie jestes.

[Gość: dawid]

3 times NO. That's great but how would you translate it then? Does any stunning
revelation come to your mind? Well, to be honest I count on your jawdropping
expertise...

[axxolotl]

>to be honest I count on your jawdropping expertise...

So do I, and not because I got three negatives. I'm just curious how would you
render in Polish the difference between "come here" and "come over here"; and
the other ones too of course.

[Gość: ms jones]

Come here. Chodz tutaj.
Come over here. Chodz no tutaj.
I like these - thay have a nice symmetry (if you can talk about symmetry in
translation)- 2 words translated with 2 words, 3 words likewise with 3 words.

But I think 'here' is more precise than 'over here' (apart from the fact that a
lot depends on non-verbal cues like pointing).
Here. Tutaj.
Over here. O tutaj. - that doesn't fit: 'o tutaj' is more precise than 'tutaj'

So after all this hair splitting I'd translate both as 'tutaj' unless there was
something in the context to give a hint of the emphasis.

[Gość: tym]

> 3 times NO. That's great but how would you translate it then?
You don't.

This "over" before there/here modifies "there" and "here," which are not
modifiable in Polish. Can you modify "tu, tam?"
I explained the meaning of those "overs" in "over here, over there."

[Gość: dawid]

Amazing! "Come over there!" can't be translated into Polish by no means. Jeez,
now I regret having started to learn English. I didn't have the slightest idea
that it's gonna be so hard. Anyway, you’re awesome .

[Gość: ms jones]

> Amazing! "Come over there!" can't be translated into Polish by no means.

Go over there.
Come over here.

In this case your argument is neither here nor there :))
btw to my way of thinking 'o tu' or 'o tam' is as good as modified ..

[Gość: dawid]

I must've misquoted it; I meant "come over here". Anyway, don't be jerky,
there's nothing wrong with "come over there".

[Gość: tym]

And now a putz like you should GAFH.

[Gość: dawid]

Did your parents keep you in a closet, dude? If invectives are the only thing
you’d like share with us, why don’t you just get lost? There is really no need
to show off your gutter language. I guess most guys here understand it. They
simply don’t use it, but it’s a matter of good manners. Frankly, I think that
the last expression isn’t the one you are familiar with…

[Gość: tym]

> btw to my way of thinking 'o tu' or 'o tam' is as good as modified ..

Whatever this "no" is supposed to mean—if anything at all—it doesn't
modify "here/there."
"O" is an interjection and has definitely nothing to do with here/there.

[Gość: ms jones]

> "O" is an interjection and has definitely nothing to do with here/there

"o tu" and "right here" - aren't these connected?
"o tu" used to point to/towards the looked for object, not as an
exclamation: "O! Tu sie licho schowalo!"

[Gość: tym]

> "o tu" and "right here" - aren't these connected?

"Right" in "right here" means "exactly" and does modify "here."
This "O" is an interjection. You can try others:
"O rany, it's here"
"Kurcze, it's here"
"Cholera, it's here"
None of the three relates to "here" in any way.
> "o tu" used to point to/towards the looked for object, not as an
> exclamation: "O! Tu sie licho schowalo!"
Your "O" may imply surprise, perhaps relief, but it most certainly does not
modify "here."

[axxolotl]

And so what? The original question was how to translate "come here" and "come
over here" so they are different. Tlumaczyc doslownie nie mozna, bo sie robi
kalke; wiec jak to przetlumaczysz na polski? Wiem, wiem, nie przetlumaczysz,
ale wyobraz sobie, ze jest to sprawa zycia i smierci wiec tlumacz.

[Gość: ms jones]

o III
1. «wykrzyknik wyrażający żywe uczucia, pełniący najczęściej funkcję
ekspresywną lub wyróżniającą (często powtórzony)»
O mój Boże, czy coś się stało?
O radości, o szczęście, znów jestem w domu!
O zgrozo!
O, ja nieszczęśliwa, co ja pocznę!
O tak! masz rację.
Źle z nim, o, bardzo źle!
O, to mi wiadomość!
O, do diabła!
O, rety!
O! O! O! widzę pożar.


2. «wykrzyknik towarzyszący czynności lub gestowi wskazywania na coś w
przestrzeni, zwracający na coś szczególną uwagę»
O, ślady na piasku.
O, leci samolot.

Ok, according to the above and your explanations, I have to admit "o" doesn't
modify 'here/there' but as you can see "o" can be devoid of emotion and be
employed in pointing to/locating objects in its own right. I don't think you
could do it in English: 'Oh, here!/Oh, here...' would carry an underlying
emotion, just as you suggested (surprise, relief, frustration etc); the "o"
would reflect a release of some sort, it would be expressive and stand alone -
separate from 'here'.
In the above examples (2) it is an interjection/meaningless exclamation
accompanying a gesture. I am disappointed that in all of the examples in point2
it is followed by a comma, giving it more umph. I'm thinking of a phrase
without a comma, rather like 'o tak' where 'o' adds emphasis to the agreement.
Say you're looking at a picture book with a little kiddie and he asks
you, "Gdzie jest piesek?" and you point to it and quietly answer "O tu" with
the words blending into one sound. It makes for a somewhat richer interaction
with the child, your "o tu" is that little bit more effective in conveying to
the child that you attend closely to him and that you are fully involved in
identifying the animal and locating it.
Secondly, there is a way of using "o" in Polish to mean the same as "exactly".
You hear people going "O! O! O! Dokladnie!" - you could remove the last word
and keep the "O"s without changing the meaning.
So in my head I combine the two: the one used in pointing to add emphasis to
locating something and the one meaning 'exactly'.
I’ve forgotten what I was going to say now. I know, we were talking about
translation. Not like in maths where a shape ‘is translated’ into a clone of
itself. A modifier is a modifier is a modifier, but in language hopping it can
be reincarnated as a humble interjection and do the job just as well. :)

[axxolotl]

Impressive, ms jones :)

Besides "over" there is also "up" and "down". Anyone wants to try and
translate these, assuming it's all on the same floor level, that is there is
not upstairs and downstairs. Would these be interchangeable with "over" in
some/most cases?

come down/up here/there
go down/up here/there