When "who?" and when Whom ?

[Gość: Martyna]

Hi!

Do you know easy way how to know when say who for example :

Women who i talk with or when say whom: Man whom I saw.
I read grammmar rules about this but it doesnt help me . You can write
explanation in Polish maybe it will be easy to understand.

Thank with advance.

[Gość: mysia2000]

for me this is only matter of style-whether more formal or (I would say)
regular:-)"whom " stuff is generaly more formal,and plain "who" more common and
more natural.

[Gość: Martyna]

Gość portalu: mysia2000 napisał(a):

> for me this is only matter of style-whether more formal or (I would say)
> regular:-)"whom " stuff is generaly more formal,and plain "who" more common
and
>
> more natural.


Yes but it isn"t correct. There are special grammar rules about this but I
don"t understand them.
Thanks anyway

[Gość: together]

that's the tuff one. the rules are fairly loose.
Once you speak the language you'll know. you'll get the feel for it.
why don't you try an american approach to it. just cut the corners and
say "who".

[Gość: erwas]

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why don't you try an american approach to it. just cut the corners and
> say "who".

american,hmm? like the guy who wote "For whom the bell tolls"?

erwas

[wredna_asia]

Martyna, your English looks a bit clumsy to me. You seem to know a lot of
words but it's obvious that they don't come to you naturally. You need to read
more in English then you do in Polish, so you will get it. After a while you
will notice that you speak/write correctly even when you don't think about it.

[martyna14]

wredna_asia napisała:

> Martyna, your English looks a bit clumsy to me. You seem to know a lot of
> words but it's obvious that they don't come to you naturally. You need to
read
>
> more in English then you do in Polish, so you will get it. After a while you
> will notice that you speak/write correctly even when you don't think about it.



I dont know what you mean saying clumsy, but Im proud of myself becouse I
have learnt English only for 2 years.

[Gość: Corrector]

martyna14 wrote:


> I dont know what you mean saying clumsy, but Im proud of myself becouse I
> have learnt English only for 2 years.

Should be: I have been learning English for only two years.

[martyna14]

wredna_asia napisała:

> Martyna, your English looks a bit clumsy to me. You seem to know a lot of
> words but it's obvious that they don't come to you naturally. You need to
read
>
> more in English then you do in Polish, so you will get it. After a while you
> will notice that you speak/write correctly even when you don't think about it.



I dont know what you mean saying clumsy, but Im proud of myself becouse I
have learnt English only for 2 years.

[Gość: Corrector]

martyna14 wrote:


> I dont know what you mean saying clumsy, but Im proud of myself becouse I
> have learnt English only for 2 years.

Should be: "mean by saying" and "I have been learning English for only two
years"

[Gość: Corrector]

martyna14 wrote:


> I dont know what you mean saying clumsy, but Im proud of myself becouse I
> have learnt English only for 2 years.

Should be: "mean by saying" and "I have been learning English for only two
years"

[Gość: Corrector]

wredna_asia wrote:

> Martyna, your English looks a bit clumsy to me. You seem to know a lot of
> words but it's obvious that they don't come to you naturally. You need to
read
>
> more in English then you do in Polish, so you will get it. After a while you
> will notice that you speak/write correctly even when you don't think about it.

Should be: "than" not "then". And what's "it's obvious that they (the words)
don't come to you naturally" supposed to mean?

[Gość: LadyX]

Here is a good page about the subject:

www.swcp.com/info/essays/pronouns.htm

[Gość: 'spelling bee']

Sorry, this is an English only forum.
Try and digest the following.
First, the rule:
Reconfigure the sentence in question so that you're faced
with the choice between he and him. If, in your
re-phrased sentence you need the subject form (he), use
'who' in your original sentence; if you need the object
form (him), use 'whom'.

For example:
Your original sentence/dilemma is:
Who/Whom do you think is responsible?

Re-phrase the question so that it reads:
Do you think he/him is responsible?
Your correct choice should be:
Do you think he is responsible?
Therefore the original sentence must be:
Who do you think is responsible?
But:
Whom do you find responsible? (Do you find him responsible?)

By the same token:
The guy whom I saw yesterday is responsible (Did I see
him yesterday?)
Whom shall we ask to the party? (Shall we ask him to the
party?)
Give the box to whomever you please. (Give the box to him.)
Give the box to whoever seems to want it most. (He seems
to want it most. [Here the clause 'whoever seems to want
it most'is the object of the preposition 'to'.])
Whoever shows up first will win the prize. (He shows up
first.)

Also:
Use 'whom' immediately following a preposition if it is
there:
For whom does the bell toll? (Former rule still applies:
Does the bell tall for him?)

If you want to have a dangling preposition at the end of
a sentence do not use
'whom', use 'who' instead:
Who does the bell toll for? ('Whom does the bell toll
for?' is wrong)

[Gość: warmi]

Who gives a fuck.

to erw-ASS HOLE

[Gość: together]

There are close to 300 millions of Americans WHO can't speak English properly
and they function just fine. I was talking about the street approach.
Isn't it where you mostly talk? Wherever I go in GW forums I face the same
problem. Instead of sticking to the subject there is a bunch of assholes
looking to shine by commenting or mocking. Is it a national trademark or what?

erw-ass hole, my dear
NEXT TIME TRY TO HELP. PICK YOUR FIGHTS SOMWHERE ELSE, ASSHOLE.
Sncerely Yours
2 get her

[Gość: erwas]

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>Wherever I go in GW forums I face the same problem. Instead of sticking to the
>subject there is a bunch of assholes looking to shine by commenting or
>mocking. Is it a national trademark or what?
> erw-ass hole, my dear
> NEXT TIME TRY TO HELP. PICK YOUR FIGHTS SOMWHERE ELSE, ASSHOLE.
> Sncerely Yours
> 2 get her

oh...err, well, excuse me...

...you sure the phrase: "American, hmm, like the guy who wrote "For Whom the
Bell Tolls" deserves such a strong riposte? It is one of the most famous uses
of the word "whom" and it was written by an American.

BTW, you might have a low opinion of Americans and their English. I don't share
it. I find the English much less articulate, flowing or fluent in their use of
their native language. English regional dialects (your street talk, right?)
consist often of constantly repeated stock phrases and kind of pre-language
souds and grunts. Their volcabulary rarely rises above 200 words (by generous
counts, and most of these words, except for "fuck" and "you know" are used only
on special occasions) and they can never be understood by Englsh speakers from
anywhere else.

erwas

[Gość: together]

Gość portalu: erwas napisał(a):


> oh...err, well, excuse me...
> ...you sure the phrase: "American, hmm, like the guy who wrote "For Whom the
> Bell Tolls" deserves such a strong riposte? It is one of the most famous uses
> of the word "whom" and it was written by an American.
ONCE AGAIN YOU HAVE PROVEN MY POINT BY BEING OFF THE SUBJECT.
YOUR ATTITUDE UNDOBTEDLY DESERVES THE STRONGEST POSSIBLE REBUFF.
THE GIRL JUST ASKED FOR A PIECE OF ADVICE, NOT FOR THE BULL...... COMING FROM
YOU. WHY DON'T YOU TELL HER WHEN TO USE WHO OR WHOM IF YOU'RE SO PROFICIENT.

>
> BTW, you might have a low opinion of Americans and their English. I don't
share it. I find the English much less articulate, flowing or fluent in their
use of their native language. English regional dialects (your street talk,
right?) consist often of constantly repeated stock phrases and kind of pre-
language souds and grunts. Their volcabulary rarely rises above 200 words (by
generous counts, and most of these words, except for "fuck" and "you know" are
used only on special occasions) and they can never be understood by Englsh
speakers from anywhere else.
>
> erwas
>
YOUR ABOVE STATEMENT IS INCONSISTENT. YOU SAY YOU DON'T SHARE MY LOW OPINION
ABOUT AMERICANS OR THEIR USE OF THE LANGUAGE AND THEN YOU ARE EXPRESSING
NOTHING SHORT OF IT.
SO WHICH ONE IS IT?
ALTHOU, I GRANT YOU ONE. BRITS HAVE MUCH BETTER COMMAND OF ENGLISH.
BY THE WAY, I DON'T HAVE A LOW OPINION. I JUST STATE THE FACT.
CAN YOU UNDERSTAND AUSSIES?
SINCERELY YOURS
TO-GET-HER

erw-ASS HOLE

[Gość: erwas]

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> YOUR ABOVE STATEMENT IS INCONSISTENT. YOU SAY YOU DON'T SHARE MY LOW OPINION
> ABOUT AMERICANS OR THEIR USE OF THE LANGUAGE AND THEN YOU ARE EXPRESSING
> NOTHING SHORT OF IT.
> SO WHICH ONE IS IT?

I wrote: BTW, you might have a low opinion of Americans and their English. I
don't share it. I find the English much less articulate, flowing or fluent in
their use of their native language. English regional dialects...(etc.etc.)

> ALTHOU, I GRANT YOU ONE. BRITS HAVE MUCH BETTER COMMAND OF ENGLISH.

so now we are arriving at the core of the problem. you have difficulty in
understanding written text, which explains why you feel obliged to pour out
streams of obscene invective in my direction.

> BY THE WAY, I DON'T HAVE A LOW OPINION. I JUST STATE THE FACT.

those are facts in your opinon.

> CAN YOU UNDERSTAND AUSSIES?

I have no problem with their accent.

erwas

Ebonics

[Gość: MM]

you not need to be worry,
you is not that bad at all

I know many niggaz who dont give a fuck
peace out


:)

c'mon erwas

[Gość: together]

what invectives?
I was actually very polite. And posted some good word for you in other topics.
Well, you damn if you do and damn if you don't.
About Aussies... that's tuff accent, man.
I have no problem with Americans, Brits or even South Africans, but Aussies as
they say in Noo Yawk "foggetaboudid"
Are you familiar with Ozzie Osbourne?
This is what he said after seeing himself on TV.
" I....I... have this this fu... fucking a... accent, I....I.. can't understand
my... myself". And he's a Brit from Birmingham.
So I guess I'm not the only one.
In Ozzie's case drugs might have a role.
Best regards.
I don't have an ax..............

together

Ozzy-speak

[ozpol]

If you have problem with Australian accent what about us here.
Reason is I think that we have huge mix of people which has bot been born here
and those who come to this country were of not high education.
There is not accent to follow – many Italians or Greeks have influence speaking
form of Ozzis (no Osbourne)
Sorry that not on topics