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I am looking for any type of written materials about soviet' crimes against
humanity in Checznia. Links, pictures, etc.

[Gość: wacko jacko]

Knock yourself out. Both sides are worth each other.
Fuck Chechnia.

[Gość: erwas]

Gość portalu: wacko jacko napisał(a):

> Knock yourself out. Both sides are worth each other.
> Fuck Chechnia.

generalizations like this, and the collective punishment which they lead to,
are a great evil.

one out of every two asylum seekers in Poland is a Chechen. Chechens trust
Poland and Poles to be fair to them. both nations share a common history of
oppression by various Russian regimes. there is neither any need to assume that
all Chechens are terrorists or that all Russians are political oppressors, as
simplistic propagandists from each side would have us belive.

surely you understand this wacko jacko?

erwas

[Gość: Wojtek]

www.elandnet.org/links/en/Asia/Chechnia

[Gość: wacko jacko]

Gość portalu: erwas napisał(a):
> generalizations like this, and the collective punishment which they lead to,
> are a great evil.
> one out of every two asylum seekers in Poland is a Chechen. Chechens trust
> Poland and Poles to be fair to them. both nations share a common history of
> oppression by various Russian regimes. there is neither any need to assume
> that all Chechens are terrorists or that all Russians are political
> oppressors, as simplistic propagandists from each side would have us belive.
> surely you understand this wacko jacko?
>
> erwas

All I'd like to say is that Chechens stand no chance to achieve their goals.
There is no way Russians let them break away. They should face the reality.
As long as war was confined to Chechnya I could sympathize with this small,
oppressed nation. Once they have resorted to a naked terrorism, they have lost
not only my sympathy. They are nothing more than bunch of thugs.
They just have managed to kill any support for their cause.

I do agree that not all Chechens are terrorists or that Russians are political
oppressors. Not all Germans were nazis. The pumishment is always collective,
unfortunately.

wacko jacko

[Gość: erwas]

Gość portalu: wacko jacko napisał(a):

> All I'd like to say is that Chechens stand no chance to achieve their goals.

which is WHAT? would you say.
like not being wiped off the face of the earth, for example?

> There is no way Russians let them break away. They should face the reality.

sounds a bit like the official Russian line. face the reality...indeed.
on the other hand, whom have the Russians succeded in imposing their will upon
lately. they are only scary to each other any more.

> As long as war was confined to Chechnya I could sympathize with this small,
> oppressed nation.

you find them adorable as long as they are being slaughtered, preferably in
close vicinity of their homes.

> I do agree that not all Chechens are terrorists or that Russians are
> political oppressors. Not all Germans were nazis. The pumishment is always
> collective, unfortunately.

> wacko jacko

and not all jackos are wacko.
erwas

[Gość: wacko jacko]

I must say we do have misunderstanding. I'll try to make myself clear this time.
First, I do not have a horse in this race. I am equally indifferent to both
sides of the conflict.
From the political standpoint Russia is between rock and the hard place.
If Chechnya brakes away there is nothing there to keep other so called
autonomous regions within the borders of the Russian Federation.
To the cost of 100 soldiers' lives every week they must defend the integrity of
the state.
Chechens attacking or ambushing Russian military is an acceptable tactic.
Chechens taking over 750 moviegoers hostage, is not.
I do not subscribe to the notion that Chechens are being exterminated.
There wouldn't be any Chechens left alive, was that the goal of the Russian
army.

BTW you shouldn’t be so sarcastic.

[Gość: erwas]

Gość portalu: wacko jacko napisał(a):

> I do not subscribe to the notion that Chechens are being exterminated.
> There wouldn't be any Chechens left alive, was that the goal of the Russian
> army.

give them some time. the carnage and ethnic cleansing begun by Stalin in early
post-war years is being accelerated at a fair pace right now.

> BTW you shouldn’t be so sarcastic.

I have low tolerance for intolerance.
erwas

[Gość: wacko jacko]

Get you history right. It begun under Lenin. Stali accelerated it after ousting
Zinoviev and Kamenev. That was way before the WW II.
Today circumstances are totally different.
The leadership of Chechen rebels are not pragmatic at all.
They do not see a bigger picture. They are the loosers in this conflict.
Speaking of tolerance. How tolerant are the Chechen rebels or terrorists?

[Gość: yup]

www.amina.com/

[Gość: Wojtek]

www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0.3604.820503.00.html

[Gość: wacko jacko]

I had an interesting conversation with a Russian who served in Russian army in
Chechnya. I specifically asked him what did they do with captured Chechen
rebels. I was stunned when he said they shoot them on the spot.
So I asked why not to transport them to a POW camp. No such thing in this
war , he answered.
According to him only high ranking officers, when captured stood the chance
not to be killed. They were exchanged.

In a sense I was right in my previous post when I stated that both sides are
equally brutal.

[Gość: Wojtek]

And I saw a disturbingly moving documentary on war in Chechnya last night on
Arte chanel. A comparison with animals is a slander on animals. Apparently it
is also a business for individuals on both sides.