Berlin sie wali

[zlosliwe_bydle]

Polecam ciekawy artykul w biezacym numerze tygodnika "Time" (ten z Franklinem
na okladce). 54 mld euro dlugu i rosnie. Dziura budzetowa na przyszly rok tez
pare mld euro. Niestety nie moglem znalezc na "Time" website. Co bardziej
przedsiebiorczy berlinczycy bryzgaja do arbeitu za granice (Irlandia,
Skandynawia), Strzelec tu chyba pisal o swiezych imigrantach z Niemiec w
Kanadzie - bardzo zadowoleni. Inni marza o odbudowie muru.

Artykul dedykuje temu koledze, ktory tu dzwoni z dobrej, niemieckiej poczty i
bez przerwy udowadnia, ze nawet gowno ladniej smierdzi w Niemczech niz
gdziekolwiek indziej na swiecie, hehehe.

CALIFORNIEN oglosila oficjalnie bankructwo !!!

[Gość: Madry_Czlowiek]

W RFN to jest tylko kilka miast, ktore maja trudnosci finansowe. W USA od razu
wali sie caly Bundesland pod nazwa Calfornien z Los Angeles na czele, he, he,
he... Niedlugo cale USA sie zawala, pdczas gdy w Europie Zachodniej najwyzej
kilka miast. Ot to USA kraj nieograniczonych BANKRUCTW ... "Die Hölle ist in
den USA die Grenze" czyli "The hell is in the US the limit" Juz wkrotce zmienis
sie nazwa na Zwiazek Socjalistycznych Republik Amerykanskich czyli "Z(e)SRA". I
mimo niskiego kursu dolara i tak nikt w USA nie chce kupowac tamtejszej
tandety. My tu w Europie Zachodniej wolimy dwa razy drozsze ale solidne,
zachodnioeuropejskie. Tej amerykanskiej tandety nie chcemy nawet za pol darmo.
Najpierw nauczcie sie jakosci a potem probujcie sprzedac cos na swiecie, no
chyba ze w Afryce, to rzeczywiscie macie szanse wciskac ta tandeta...

bydle ty nie zlosliwe ale malopamieciowe.

[janosik6]

Co to jest "malopamieciowe"?

[zlosliwe_bydle]

zapomniale te dwa budynki w n/j ?

[janosik6]

[zlosliwe_bydle]

Nie, nie zapomnialem. Co to ma do rzeczy? Cieszysz sie ty mendo?

Mimo tych dwoch budynkow Nowy Jork z 8 mln mieszkancow ma przeszlo o miliard
euro deficytu mniej niz Berlin z 3.4 mln mieszkancow. Oj, skoncza sie wam
niedlugo te miemieckie socjalki, hehehe. Jak dlugo mozna zyc na kredyt?

[Gość: Gatsby]

[zlosliwe_bydle]

Gee, wylecialo mi z glowy pierwsze slowo: "Jewel in the dark" albo "Diamond in
the dark", na pewno "... in the dark". Mniej wiecej w srodku numeru.

[Gość: Janek]

zlosliwe_bydle napisał:

> Nie, nie zapomnialem. Co to ma do rzeczy? Cieszysz sie ty mendo?
>
> Mimo tych dwoch budynkow Nowy Jork z 8 mln mieszkancow ma przeszlo o miliard
> euro deficytu mniej niz Berlin z 3.4 mln mieszkancow. Oj, skoncza sie wam
> niedlugo te miemieckie socjalki, hehehe. Jak dlugo mozna zyc na kredyt?

Gdyby w Nowym Jorku doprowadzic ulice do tego stanu,jak w Berlinie,jaki minus mialby Nowy Jork.Minus 100 mld.$?Tak patrzcie na to.Nowy Jork to syf od poczatku do konca,po za miejscami dla normalnych albo bogatrzych.To co w USA jeszcze do przyjecia,w Niemczech Nie do przyjecia...

zapomniales ile firm padlo ?

[janosik6]

Ile firm sie rozlecialo przez dwa wiezowce ?
Jeszcze do dzisiaj jankesi nie doszli do siebie.
A ten przyglupawy debilny wyraz twarzy twego boga-buscha do dzisiaj mu pozostal
Od tamtego czasu debil-busch ma widzenia.
Rozmawia z bogiem i wykonoje jego polecenia.
A wiesz gzie go spotkal ?
Tam gdzie go przez 4/5 dni chowali -w gorach skalistych...
Tak ze debilku polaczku nie ciesz sie za bardzo ,bo nie masz czym.

Sluchaj no, sik6

[zlosliwe_bydle]

W Berlin nic nie pierdolnelo, a i tak zdycha. Europka pojdzie sie pierdolic,
oj, pojdzie, hehehe

[vespucci]

Raczej te wszystkie opiekuncze, socjalne kraje zmienia
swoj profil bo ich na to nie stac. Spoleczesntwo sie
starzeje, coraz wiecej imigrantow z biednych krajow
ktorzy siedza na socjalu.
Wali sie to jak domek z kart.

[Gość: Gatsby]

Lost in the dark...


www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/printout/0,13155,901030630-460183,00.html

[Gość: Gatsby]

June 30, 2003 | Vol. 161 No. 26

Lost In The Dark


Berlin is on the brink and €46 billion in debt. It's enough to make some folks
miss the Wall
BY CHARLES P. WALLACE | BERLIN


The giant Swiss food company Nestlé jolted Berlin a few months ago by
announcing that it is closing its candy factory in the German capital. The
company will stop making "Yes" chocolate bars and lay off 450 people — another
rainstorm feeding the flood of 250,000 manufacturing jobs that have been lost
in Berlin since German reunification in 1990. With the city's unemployment rate
at an astounding 18.4%, a dark mood of pessimism and angst has settled over
Berlin as it struggles with a weak global economy, huge debts and unaffordable
welfare provisions that have left the city bankrupt. Every month for nearly a
year the two biggest problems cited by Berliners have been the threat of
unemployment and concern about the city's shaky finances, according to the
opinion researcher Forsa. Berlin's troubles are a severe disappointment to many
from both east and west who hoped the capital's reunification would lead to a
more prosperous future, and their frustration is now seeping into the city's
cultural and nightlife. "There's a mood of great uncertainty," says Giovanni di
Lorenzo, editor of the newspaper Der Tagesspiegel. "People know they will have
to make sacrifices."

Heading the list of Berlin's problems is the financial crisis facing the
municipal government. The Berlin city council, known as the Senate, will
present its 2004 budget next week. According to Finance Minister Thilo
Sarrazin, Berlin has a j46 billion debt and next year will run a whopping €4.3
billion deficit. By comparison, New York City is suffering its worst budget
crisis in 30 years, but has only come up short by €2.8 billion. And New York
has 8 million residents to share the pain, compared with Berlin's 3.4 million.

What makes it harder for Berliners to bear is that they are accustomed to the
high life. The city has three opera houses, five symphony orchestras and three
world-class universities, all paid for by the Berlin government; it has 3,000
more police officers than Hamburg, a region of comparable size, and 30% more
civil servants. Some of this has to go. "The average Berliner has to accept
less culture, moderate cuts in education and a drawing down of the police
force," Sarrazin told TIME. "But to be honest, there has been mostly an adverse
reaction."

The cuts are being felt. Public swimming pools have been closed, a new subway
line has been abandoned midway through construction, and the city has imposed a
hiring freeze, not replacing teachers or file clerks who retire or leave the
city. The Berlin police force will hire only 100 new officers a year until
3,000 jobs have been cut through attrition. Berlin has withdrawn from the
association of German public employers, which agreed to a 4% wage increase for
civil servants nationwide earlier this year. Economy Minister Harald Wolf says
Berlin is instead offering wage cuts in exchange for not firing thousands of
workers. Roland Tremper of the Verdi public sector trade union calls this "a
stab in the back for all employees."

The grim mood extends far beyond the arcane details of the city budget. Last
week Berliners solemnly marked the 50th anniversary of a nationwide workers'
uprising in East Germany that was brutally suppressed by Soviet tanks on June
17, 1953. Those workers were demanding freedom, but today there are plenty of
people around who say they preferred life under the communists before the
Berlin Wall fell in 1989. "If you ask me, they could put the Wall back up
tomorrow," says Eveline Kulczak, 35. She has lost her prestigious job
organizing fashion shows in eastern Germany, been deprived of her free child
care, and been left with a pile of debts by her husband. "As a family, we were
better off before the Wall fell," she says. "If I could afford to, I would
leave Germany altogether." A growing number of Germans are doing just that.

Hardy Firl, 71, who spent three years in jail for his part in the 1953
uprising, also feels let down by what happened after the Wall fell. "I hated
the East German system, but I am not really happy with the way things turned
out after 1989," Firl says. "Back then at least the streets were clean, we took
care of each other, and you didn't have to be afraid to go out at night."

Parts of the city are experiencing levels of poverty that were previously
unknown in Germany. A 1999 report on the East Berlin neighborhood of
Hellersdorf estimated that 15% of the population lives below the poverty line —
defined as a household income that is 50% or less of the national average. A
large number of those are children. Bernd Siggelkow, a pastor in Hellersdorf,
says Western politicians made big promises to the residents of East Berlin, but
they were not fulfilled. "People here thought, 'Now the West is coming with all
its glitter and gold,'" Siggelkow, 39, says. "But in the wake of unification
came unemployment and a dramatic rise in broken marriages. A generation of
neglected children is growing up here."

Even in West Berlin the mood is hardly upbeat. Julia Wahn, 30, who just
finished her teacher training, is still looking for a job and has few prospects
because of the education-budget cuts. "Germany is worse off today than a year
ago and Berlin is the worst place to be," she says. "I have lots of friends who
are unemployed. They make do for a while, but most move away eventually."
Stefan Linse, 34, used to be a salesman in a boutique on the city's upmarket
shopping street, the Kurfürstendamm: "I lost my job because people think twice
before spending their money on extras like expensive clothes or dinner at a
restaurant."

Even Berlin's famous nightlife has been affected by the glum mood. Mike Stolz,
co-owner of Guppi, a trendy bar in the Prenzlauer Berg neighborhood, complains
that there has been no growth in his business. "People come here but consume
less," Stolz says. "I have let part-timers go because I can't afford them
anymore." Stolz, 37, sees a plus side to the downturn: mediocre night spots can
no longer make it and only the quality places survive. Josef Laggner, 37, owner
of the Lutter & Wegner restaurant in East Berlin, says he has to seek out
customers. "West Berliners don't go out to dinner very much anymore and East
Berliners stay in their neighborhoods," he says. "I have to attract convention
goers, business groups and tourists."

Despite its malaise, Berlin has some solid achievements. The city has built
clusters of knowledge-based industries in the software, media and biotech
sectors. Hans Estermann, managing director of the Berlin Business Development
Corporation, says the city has attracted about 1,500 jobs in the first five
months of the year. Among the new arrivals: factories for DaimlerChrysler, BMW
and the U.S. electronics giant Motorola. Still, Berlin will have to do a lot
better if it is to make a dent in its stubborn unemployment figures. And Stefan
Krätke, author of Berlin: Metropolis Between Boom and Crisis, is worried that
the cuts in the city budget will impact the sectors in which Berlin is
strong. "The financial consolidation is now threatening the few islands of
economic growth," Krätke says. "They are making severe cuts in schools and
medical research centers, which give strong support to life-sciences
development."



If you ask me, they could put the Wall back up tomorrow. As a family, we were
better off before the Wall fell.
— EVELINE KULCZAK





Berlin's problems can be traced back to the subsidies — amounting to half the
total budget in West Berlin — the city once received for its business

Dzieki, Gatsby. Pane Niemiec, Inglisz posiadasz?

[zlosliwe_bydle]

...dziad dziadowi...

[artur666]

czyli gdzie jest lepiej byc biedakiem...

w Europie czy w USA?



ech, ziemniaki mnie w piwnicy kwitna, gdy to czytam.

[Gość: terminator]

Chyba w N.Y ,a nie N.J

[vespucci]

Po polsku jest N.J. = Nowy Jork

zlosliwy ? tobie tez padlo jak twemu panu ?

[janosik6]

[Gość: Terminator]

vespucci napisał:

> Po polsku jest N.J. = Nowy Jork

A jak po polsku jest New Jersey?
Moze N.Dz?

[Gość: Jan]

Wczoraj byl fajny program,minister gospodarki Clement,jakis Amerykanin i inne grube ryby.Reporterka powiedziala temu Amerykaninowi,jak to u was USA jest splajtowana,takie minusy w budzecie,handlu itd.Ten Amerykanin z duma.U nas 5% ludnosci i 30% dobrobytu,70% Noblistow ,70% wszystkich firm branzy Gen i Biotechnik.Niemiec patrzal na niego i sie usmiechal.A potem powiedzial.Amerykanom zazdroszcze optymizmu.Facet byl w USA setki razy,ma kontakt z Firmami i wie cos o swiecie.W koncu NIemcy to nie Polska.Nie mozna sie tak latwo popisac...A i 30 mln Niemcow robilo urlop w USAw ostatnich 10 ciu latach.

[Gość: tato]

......Ale brudas te bydle...............
Nie wiesz chamie ze tylko bogatym pozyczaja?................

[zlosliwe_bydle]

A witam ponownie pana ekonomiste, buahahahaha. No to Wlochom raczej nie
pozycza?

Az sie cieplej na sercu robi kiedy takie typy jak ten folksdojcz mnogich imion
oraz smondak lolo "przeciw nadziej wierza", hehehe

[luiza-w-ogrodzie]

Szkoda, to bylo takie prezne miasto, bardzo je lubilam, ale widac zmienia sie
jak wszystko, na gorsze.

Pozdrawiam
Luiza-w-Ogrodzie

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