Got kids in Polish schools? Does Giertych know?

[ianek70]

Me, Kylie Minogue, Jennifer Lopez, Romek Giertych.
We're all more or less the same age.
Three of us were brought up in democratic first world countries, but the
other one wasn't, and believes that there's not enough conformism and
brainwashing of children in Poland.
He thinks that hanging the symbols of his religion in primary schools is not
enough, and that little children should sing patriotic songs praising the
state like in some imaginary country he's read about.
A man who doesn't tolerate differences of opinion within his own party (which
of course he sold for power). And who believes that all his opponents are
gay, which means that there are more gays in PL than anywhere else in the
world.
And if this little man (a father of only 2) became a fascist without state
sponsorship, what hope is there for the children who will be forced to stay
awake during "patriotism lessons"?

serwisy.gazeta.pl/kraj/1,34308,3398138.html

It says a lot for the 4th Reichpublic that an arsehole like this can be given
any position of responsibility, but Minister of Education?

[nasza_maggie]

honestly?
don't pay so much attention to him.
it won't last long.

[hardenfelt]

I suggest a free MP3 player for every child with Mr. Kaczyński singing the
national anthem.

[bartis_ervin]

Apple does free laser engraving for its iPod, so the kids could have "Kaczysncy
gora" or "Rydzyk rulz!" engravings.

Ervin

Thebartiski.blogspot.com

[sobieski010]

The Giertych family has already a long-running relationship with Polish fascism.
Maciej Giertych (father of Roman and MEP) is a devoted follower of Roman
Dmowski's "ideals", meaning clear-cut fascism with heavy antisemitic and
anti-foreigner accents.
The LPR jugend existed before the war and was notorious for vicious attacks on
Jewish people. For example they cut with razor blades in the faces of Jewish
female students entering college rooms at university.
Roman Giertych has revived the LPR jugend and it is back on its old tracks.
Dmowski's theories heavily influenced the antisemitic NSZ (whom duirng wartime
busied itself with persecuting jews rather than resistance) and the infamous
Świętokrzyskie brigade which happily was killing jews during WW II

[sobieski010]

Source: Wikipedia

Maciej Giertych was born March 24, 1936 in Warsaw, to a notable politician of
the National Democracy movement Jędrzej Giertych. In 1945 his family left Poland
for Germany and finally settled in the United Kingdom. In 1954 Giertych passed
his final school exams and entered Oxford University. He received the BA and MA
in dendrology. Between 1958 and 1962 he studied at the University of Toronto,
where he received his PhD for studies on tree physiology.

In 1962 Giertych returned to Poland, where he completed his qualifications for
an assistant professorship at the Institute of Dendrology of the Polish Academy
of Sciences (PAN) in Kórnik near Poznań. In 1964 he married Antonina née Janik.
In 1970 he received his Habilitation degree for his studies on forest genetics
at the Agricultural University of Poznań. Since 1976 he has lectured at the
Nicolaus Copernicus University of Toruń. He has also published more than 200
works and studies, mostly on forest-related topics. The same year he also became
a member of the Forest Sciences Committee of the PAN.

In 1981 he received the grade of common professor. In 1986, three years after
Martial law in Poland ended, he joined the advisory council (Rada Konsultacyjna)
made up of opposition members and party officials set up by the leader of the
communist authorities, Wojciech Jaruzelski. The council included several
prominent Poles such as Marek Kotański, Krzystof Skubiszewski and Kazimierz Dejmek.

In 1986 Giertych also became the Polish representative to the International
Union of Forest Research Organisations. He supported strengthening ties with the
Soviet Union in accordance with Roman Dmowski's ideology, while criticizing some
dissidents for working too closely with western politicians, which he believed
would jeopardize Poland's western borders.

After the fall of communist rule in Poland in 1990 he returned to scientific
work and between 1993 and 2000 was an advisor to the Ministry of Environmental
Affairs. In 1990 he was a member of one of the minor political parties, the
National Party of Poland (Stronnictwo Narodowe), which eventually entered the
League of Polish Families (LPR) coalition.

On September 23, 2001, Giertych was elected to the Polish Parliament from a
Poznań constituency. On June 16, 2004, he became a Member of the European
Parliament for the LPR. Together with the rest of his party he is a member of
the Independence and Democracy faction.

Giertych comes from a famous Polish nationalistic political family: he is the
grandson of Franciszek Giertych and son of Jędrzej Giertych, and father of Roman
Giertych, who currently leads the LPR.
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Views

Maciej Giertych opposes lifting the ban on purchase of land in Poland by
foreigners (due to fears of resurgence of German colonialism), homosexualism and
moral relativism. He criticized and opposed Poland's entry into the European
Union and supports closer ties with Eastern European countries, as well as
defending Polish industry against what he regards as unfair practices of western
companies. He is also against the proposed European Constitution.

Giertych supports a version of creationism that attributes creation of universe,
life and its further development to an act of God's will. In the tradition of
medieval theology of the Scholastic school, he once calculated Noah's Ark
capacity. He is an honorary member of the Daylight Origins Society, a British
based creationist organisation.

The Giertych family are full-blooded fascists from generations back.
And this kind of guy is in charge of educating Polish children.

They never compare gays to dendrophiliacs...

[ianek70]

sobieski010 napisał:

> The Giertych family are full-blooded fascists from generations back.
> And this kind of guy is in charge of educating Polish children.

Yes, but they know a hell of a lot about trees.
And for fascists like that, being in charge of a country is like being in
charge of a forest, except that you have to shout at people more than you shout
at trees.
And apparently, most of Romek's friends are trees. Some even say that both of
them are.

and the correct link was...

[ianek70]

serwisy.gazeta.pl/kraj/1,34308,3398318.html

[ja_karola]

ianek70 napisał:

> It says a lot for the 4th Reichpublic that an arsehole like this can be given
> any position of responsibility, but Minister of Education?

Yes, the current balance of power in Poland is very unfortunate. Giertych fits
the role of Minister of Education like Bush that of US presidency. But the
virtue of democracy, even though it is a very flawed poli. system according to
#1 philo, good old Socrates, is that it garantees a balancing act in the state
legislature. We had post(read ex)-commi thieves rule and steal as much as they
could in the past 11 years. Now it's the other extreme. Perhaps one day we
will at last find some balance. For the sake of getting the terminology right:

Fascism: any political or social ideology of the extreme right which relies on
a combination of pseudoreligous attitudes and the brutal use of force for
getting and keeping power (Webster's). (Interestingly the US don't get
criticised for having the pledge of allegiance to the flag as a popular daily
routine in America's public schools.)

Giertych is an extreme nationalist who, for some strange reason, believes that
after so many centuries of foreign occupation, Poland is at risk of losing its
sense of nationalism. Unfortunately we can't expect a coup d'état from any
centrist party any time soon (read PO). Where was everybody on election day?

Extreme nationalism = bad; patriotism (the one that led millions to the defence
of Poland during WWII) = good.

Empty symbols for empty heads

[ianek70]

ja_karola napisała:

> Fascism: any political or social ideology of the extreme right which relies
on
> a combination of pseudoreligous attitudes and the brutal use of force for
> getting and keeping power (Webster's). (Interestingly the US don't get
> criticised for having the pledge of allegiance to the flag as a popular daily
> routine in America's public schools.)

The US is often criticised for this. Personally, though, I think forcing
children to see themselves not as individuals but as citizens of the republic
(any republic, American or French) is as pointless and empty as the papist
symbols on the school walls of the clerical Polish state.
Romek claims that national anthems are sung in all state schools in every
country in the world. I wouldn't like to live in his little world, but the
planet where I went to school is called "Earth", and in my country there are no
flags in schools, no singing of national anthems and (obviously) no religious
brainwashing.

If this f**kwit Giertych genuinely believes that his stupid ideas are so clever
and great, he should encourage children to think for themselves. Then the kids
will all individually come to the obvious (jego zdaniem) conclusion that
cowardly conformism and dull greyness are cool and funky ideas, in the same way
that Romek did.

Cowardly buffoon

[ianek70]

Some kids demonstrated this week against Romek, demanding a Minister of
Education who knows something about education.
Fortunately for little Romuś, some of the teens involved also demonstrated
recently against the Polish state's draconian anti-marijuana laws, so he had an
excuse not to meet them.
His logic: "Some of the people who want a competent Education Minister also
want sensible drug laws, I'm against sensible drug laws, so I refuse to talk to
people who want a competent Education Minister."

He's now decided that Polish history should be taught as a separate subject
from general history, talking out his arse by claiming once again that that's
how it is "na całym świecie".
People with a basic knowledge of education or history disagree, of course.

serwisy.gazeta.pl/kraj/1,34308,3419671.html

[marimax]

Instead of teaching children the history they should hire all these foreign
useless beaurocrats sent to Poland from Bruxelles and they could teach kids
how to properly make a joint, the best positions for the faggots to gain an
easy entry, how to organize fagott's march and so on.

[ianek70]

marimax napisał:

> Instead of teaching children the history they should hire all these foreign
> useless beaurocrats sent to Poland from Bruxelles

You mean there are a lot of useless foreign bureaucrats sent to Poland from
Brussels who are unemployed and need to be hired?

and they could teach kids
> how to properly make a joint, the best positions for the faggots to gain an
> easy entry

It's true that most Poles are hopeless at rolling joints, but only a small
percentage are as passionate as you about the subject of faggots, and anyway,
why employ eurocrats to teach kids about homosexuality when Polish schools are
already full of priests?

[sobieski010]

Of which half were working for the SB but have short memories (and now should be
excellent informers for the LPR)

Prawda nas wyzwoli

[ianek70]

sobieski010 napisał:

> Of which half were working for the SB but have short memories (and now should
b
> e
> excellent informers for the LPR)

"The truth will set you free", said Woytyła.
Revealing the truth about the clergy (even the painful truth, as happened in
Boston and Dublin) would free Poles from their clutches.
But of course the job of the Polish church is to spread the "truth" among
others, and keep its own dirty little secrets to itself. Polish priests who
worked for the SB will remain as untouchable as priests who drink and drive,
shag their housekeepers or molest children.

[usenetposts]

ianek70 napisał:

> sobieski010 napisał:
>
> > Of which half were working for the SB but have short memories (and now sh
> ould
> b
> > e
> > excellent informers for the LPR)
>
> "The truth will set you free", said Woytyła.

Actually, he was just quoting someone Else. And it wasn't Mr Khoury, either.

Come on now Ted, it's just a bit of fun

[ianek70]

usenetposts napisał:

> > "The truth will set you free", said Woytyła.
>
> Actually, he was just quoting someone Else. And it wasn't Mr Khoury, either.

You'll be telling us next that nobody loved their neighbour before 1978, or
that Carol Wojtyła Królowa Polski didn't invent forgivingness and ubolewanie.
You should waste less time on rational discussion with Polish Catholics and
spend more time saying "Yeah, whatever, oh is that sernik?"

[ja_karola]

Maulana Azad who was independent India’s first Education Minister, a renowned
scholar, poet, freedom fighter and leader of the Indian National Congress, a
close friend of Ghandi warns against the lessons of Christian history:

“Even the Christians have neglected to fulfill their covenant with God and
strayed away from the right path. They have divided themselves into numerous
sects, each hostile to every other. So acute is the hostility among them that it
hardly promises ever to terminate…. The Qur’an has drawn the attention of the
Muslims lest there should be any such developments among them.”

Excerpt from “Ghandi’s responses to Islam” by Sheila McDonough

[b00g13]

> You should waste less time on rational discussion with Polish Catholics and
> spend more time saying "Yeah, whatever, oh is that sernik?"

OMG rotfl rotfl rrrrrrrrrrotfl

He's going grey!

[ianek70]

Since Romek was stupidly given a position of responsibility, his hair has been
rapidly turning grey.
Or maybe he's been dyeing it to try and look like a grown-up, or a blond Aryan
type.