opinion on pilsh people

[evediogo]

Hi everyone
I am just working on a project of sociological research about polish people
seen through foreigner's eyes. if anyone could suggest me what is worth of
mentioning in the project, i'd be eternally gratefull. I am going to find out
how people coming from all over the world see poles, what are stereotypes of
poland and which of them are right and which are wrong. Any opinion would be
very precius to me. My email is [e-mail] Thanks everybody. Eve

[minimus]

if u do a forum search its all there

[sobieski010]

From somebody who thinks the Poles are basically the centre and saviours of the
Milky Way I would expect a more informative answer really.

[minimus]

sobieski010 napisał:

> From somebody who thinks the Poles are basically the centre and saviours of
the
> Milky Way I would expect a more informative answer really.

Every time I read something you wrote I remember all the Belgian jokes I heard
when I was working with some Dutch ppl.
I am far from thinking that Poland is the centre and saviours of the Milky Way.
I just think you don't have a clue whats going on and why. Thats all.

[sobieski010]

You only forgot to mention your LPR membership card number, you troll.
I visited last weekend a very informative expo in Warsaw about totalitarian
societies (meaning commie and nazi fyi) and there was a section about the LPR
jugend befoe the war and their brilliant actions and ideas, and suddenly I had
to think of you. I wonder why? Were you in any of the pictures perhaps?

[minimus]

sobieski010 napisał:

> You only forgot to mention your LPR membership card number, you troll.
> I visited last weekend a very informative expo in Warsaw about totalitarian
> societies (meaning commie and nazi fyi) and there was a section about the LPR
> jugend befoe the war and their brilliant actions and ideas, and suddenly I had
> to think of you. I wonder why? Were you in any of the pictures perhaps?

Ok, I see I have to say it to you directly: YOU ARE AN IDIOT, if you think I
have any opinions that are even close to LPRs. I never said anything that would
make me look like their sympathiser to anyone even HALF INTELLIGENT.
GOOD BYE

[nasza_maggie]

minimus - has someone sobieski got you confused with maximus perhaps?
why argue?
mmmmmmm ok -to show that Poles love to argue even if they have the same point
of view, they'll still argue

we also like to complain a lot and tell others we can do things better, without
actually doing it
we are very patriotic in front of others, but not between ourselves
we usually are the most organized during a national crisis
we're very outspoken, to everybody, even our mothers.
forget political corectness in Poland ("nikt nam nie powie że czarne jest
czarne a białe jest białe" )))) )

our cooking is great
our drinking even better
our weddings the craziest

we're intelligent and are happy to share/sell any knowledge, (especially in
foreign universities)
we're friendly and love to show our country off
we tend to get stabbed in the back
we love our history
we love our mothers
we love to party
we love to critisize anything and everything
we're short tempered


we just want to be loved)))))))))))))))


ok, this is just my private opinion
And it's quite late

[babiana]

The silence of Belgium:Taboo and Trauma in Belgian History

links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0044-0078%282002%29102%3C34%3ATSOBTA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-G&size=LARGE
The author of this book mentions two reasons of uneasiness that comes with being
Belgian.
However, there is a third very shameful factor. Congo became a great scandal
and a disaster for Belgium as the world witnessed the worst atrocities ever
committed on the African continent.
The Belgians forced the local people into slavery. Anyone who didn’t want to
work for them had their hands cut off. These hands were then preserved and sent
to Belgium as collectible items for the upper classes. How horrible!
My daughter discovered their gruesome hobby while writing her research paper
about the Congo. It was described in a very old book.
It must be a taboo and trauma in Belgian history. Leopold of Belgium attempted
to destroy the evidence of the genocide, by ordering the CFS archives in
Belgium and in Congo burnt (despite trying to erase all evidence a book still
existed in Montreal ) It is very sad that Belgium’s prosperity should have come
at the expense of approximately 10-15mln Congolese victims.

www.boondocksnet.com/congo/congo_crime_frontis.html

[sobieski010]

1. The brutal treatment of the Congo people is not a trauma nor a secret. I
learnt about it in school. There are multiple books written about it. However, I
want to point out that this happened when Congo was a Free State = Personal
property of Leopold II. There was at that time widespread protest in the papers
about the ongoing atrocities. Besides of this, Leopold was a deeply unpopular king.
Belgium took over Congo when Leopold died and then it became a regular colony,
conmparable with the French and English colonies in Africa. And as for that,
Congo was not one of the worst colonies.
Leopold, during the Free State, was very succesful in hiding which riches he got
out of his personal property.
2. Belgium was already in the 1850's one of the wealthiest countries in the
world and one of the most industrialised. On that moment most of Africa was
still a white spot on the map.
3. The most horrible events in Congo - and indeed in Central Africa as whole -
were done by blacks against blacks, such as the whole slave trade.

[babiana]

The brutal treatment of the Congolese is not traumatic? So how do you describe
your feelings about this matter? It couldn't be a secret any more because the
whole world was outraged and shocked.

And only after the Brits began to investigate the atrocities in Congo, did the
Belgians start to write about this subject. As long as they could, they tried to
hide the truth. Joseph Conrad and Marc Twain got involved. It couldn't be hidden
any more. The self criticism did not originate from the Belgians.

In 1876 Leopold's goal was the "propagation of civilization among the people by
means of scientific exploration, legal trade and war against the 'Arabic' slave
traders ". Yes, Arabic slave traders. How ironic is this statement? I find your
point of view does not differ too much from that of Leopold II. Did you ever see
a preserved cut-off hand as an exhibit in the Royal Museum of Central Africa? I
doubt it.

travel2.nytimes.com/2005/02/09/arts/design/09colo.html?ex=1158465600&en=96c3ddca818e8cc6&ei=5070

And I don't think that Poles, constantly described as an almost barbaric nation,
would ever consider having such a collectible item among their upper class.
Also, in our 1000 year history we never had a ruler who is on the list of the
World killers along with Hitler, Idi Amin, Goebells etc.


www.moreorless.au.com/killers/leopold.html

As for Belgium, the wealthiest country in the world, you forgot to mention the
famine in Flanders (1846-50) and the declining textile industry. Rubber from
Congo was very helpful to establish its wealth.

Congo as a colony compared to the French and English colonies is another false
statement. Forced labour in Congo did not end until 1930.

The fact that Africa was a white spot on the map, doesn't justify the horrible
implementation of the so called civilization. The worst for Congo is the
inheritance of Belgian colonial rules. Read more about this in Ryszrad
Kapuscinski's books. At least he was there.
In the face of the history of your own country I really do not understand the
element of superiority in your opinions about Poles.
In addition, on the list of 20th century heroes i don't see anybody from
Belgium. At least Poles have their Walesa.
www.moreorless.au.com/heroes/

[sobieski010]

You mean, as in the Irish famine? When Britain ws the richest country in the
world and stopped all aid to a starving nation?
Or as in the extermination of the Indians by the Americans?
Or the extermination of the Namibian tribes by the Germans in the 1890's ?

Yes... we did not have Wałęsa, not many countries did have one, perhaps only the
Czechs with Havel. We were lucky (and that is not meant to be superior) that we
did not need a Wałęsa.
By the way I am not superior towards the Poles. I am married to one for a beginning.
My Flemish village was liberated by General Maczek's tanks.
But I object to te slavish (no pun intended) pro-American policies of the
present government.
And a last word about heroes. Not ever hero gets a Nobel Price.
The only time during the entire war that a deportation train to Auschwitz was
stopped was in Belgium in 1943 in Boortmeerbeek by three young resistance fighters.
Not any of the escaping Jews was betrayed by a fellow Belgian.
And that is something which I damn proud of.

[minimus]

> And that is something which I damn proud of.
LOL, why? Were YOU one of those three?

[usenetposts]

minimus napisał:

> > And that is something which I damn proud of.
> LOL, why? Were YOU one of those three?

Obviously it is a national pride not a personal pride.

Is there anything wrong with that?

[minimus]

Being damn proud of something someone else did many years ago?? No, not really
I guess.

[mala_obludnica]

> As for Belgium, the wealthiest country in the world

Eeeeeh...what?

[usenetposts]

babiana napisała:

> In the face of the history of your own country I really do not understand the
> element of superiority in your opinions about Poles.
> In addition, on the list of 20th century heroes i don't see anybody from
> Belgium. At least Poles have their Walesa.
> www.moreorless.au.com/heroes/

This is not true. It is anti-belgicist propaganda. They have made absolutely no
mention of Rinatintin, Hercules Pierrot, Stella Artois and Jack Brel.

There is also a body of academic opinion that believes Rumpelstitskin may also
have had Flemish blood. Probably.

[babiana]

usenetposts napisał:

> babiana napisała:
>
> > In the face of the history of your own country I really do not understand
> the
> > element of superiority in your opinions about Poles.
> > In addition, on the list of 20th century heroes i don't see anybody from
> > Belgium. At least Poles have their Walesa.
> > www.moreorless.au.com/heroes/
>
> This is not true. It is anti-belgicist propaganda. They have made absolutely no
>
> mention of Rinatintin, Hercules Pierrot, Stella Artois and Jack Brel.
>
> There is also a body of academic opinion that believes Rumpelstitskin may also
> have had Flemish blood. Probably.
>
))))
There is another list of famous Belgians:
www.famousbelgians.net/kings.htm
Let's be serious:
www.famousbelgians.net/categories.htm
The list is by no means complete and the author is finding more Famous Belgians
every week!

List of Poles:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famous_Poles

[usenetposts]

You see you've gone ad hominem again here, and you haven't even been accurate.
You could do with curbing that aspect of your debating because a lot of the
rest of it is of such high quality.

[babiana]

George Chapman (December 14, 1865 - April 7, 1903) was the English name taken by
serial killer Seweryn Antonowicz Kłosowski. He was originally from Poland but
later relocated to England, where he committed his crimes. He was convicted and
executed after poisoning three women, but is remembered today mostly because
some authorities suspected him of having been the notorious serial killer Jack
the Ripper.