For once, I really like the Pope right now!

[usenetposts]

He told the world some TRUTH about the nature of Islam. Yes ISLAM not "bad
Islam". What he said struck at the heart of the "good Islam, bad Islam" myth,
which he evidently has not been suckered into believing like people even
shouldknowbetterable as Bush seem (emphasis on seem) to be.

At present it's the Muslim world that have gotten up in arms about it, rather
than dissenting Catholics and liberal Protestants, although their voice will
not be long in bleating. I just hope he sticks to his opinion and doesn't
backpedal and subscribe to the media lie that only extreme Islam is
aggressive, violent Islam. The Pope told it like it is - it all is. The
religion of Mohammed is spread by the sword. And thatwas true from the word
go to the end. Yes Catholics an yes protestants have spread their views by
the sword during the darkest moments of our history, but it was where we
failed. Where they do it is where they succeed. They succeed in doing
Mohammed's stated will, and if we spread the Gospel that way, we go against
what Jesus said.

To remind them of that greatly offends them, but TOUGH. I like B16's
readiness to tell the truth. If I were a Catholic, I would be very proud of
him right now.

[nasza_maggie]

hmmmm

news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13542784,00.html

Breaking News
Protests in Pakistan Pope 'Sorry For Offence'
Updated: 13:11, Saturday September 16, 2006

The Pope is said to be "extremely upset" that his comments about Islam have
caused offence to Muslims and is sorry they have led to such controversy.

Vatican secretary of state Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone said in a statement: "The
Holy Father is very sorry that some passages of his speech may have sounded
offensive to the sensibilities of Muslim believers.

"The Pontiff respects followers of Islam and hopes the true meaning of his
speech is understood."

The statement came amid mounting anger from Muslims over remarks by the Pope in
a speech in his native Germany on Tuesday that was seen as critical of their
faith.

Calls for him to apologise had spread beyond the Islamic world.

In the speech, the Pope appeared to endorse a Christian view, contested by most
Muslims, that the early Muslims spread their religion by violence.

Islamic fury erupted on Thursday and cast doubt on a visit the Pope plans to
Turkey in November.


The Pope has been asked to apologise Sky sources have learnt that Catholic
bishops in the country are due to hold a meeting on Monday to discuss the row.

In Srinagar, India, police detained nearly two dozen Muslim protesters after
minor clashes on Saturday. Effigies of the Pope were burnt in the street.

Two churches in the West Bank city of Nablus were fire bombed while in Gaza
there was a small explosion outside a Greek Orthodox Church. No one was hurt.

Pakistan's Foreign Ministry summoned the Vatican's ambassador to express regret
over the comments.

The Pakistan parliament also passed a resolution condemning the comments while
radicals held protests across the country.

The Muslim Brotherhood, the Arab world's largest group of political Islamists,
called on the governments of Islamic countries to break relations with the
Vatican.

But there was support for the Pope from German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

She told the Bild newspaper that the German-born Pontiff had been calling for
dialogue with other religions.

[babiana]

They must be insane. They hate Christian's guts. Religion of hatred.
news.independent.co.uk/europe/article1603761.ece

[nasza_maggie]

If they carry on like this....
Do we have a full scale war on our doorstep??

[usenetposts]

nasza_maggie napisała:

> If they carry on like this....
> Do we have a full scale war on our doorstep??

I was actually hoping that the words of Benedikt would finally become the open
acknowledgement of war that we need to actually sort out the problems that we
have that are not going to go away by redressing it as a "war against terror"
and putting ourselves at terrific disadvantages by trying to make chummy chum
chums out of nations that not only hate us, but have infiltrated our own
societies in order to murder us in our beds.

Unfortunately we have Cardinal Climbdown getting up on his hindlegs saying "His
holyfatherness never meant nuttin' by it, so don't you bruvvers pay him no
mind", which is precisely what I was hoping Rome might possibly have the balls
to avoid.

I see that GW has done one of their sondazes on the lead story, with the
question "do you think the apologies of the Vatican were adequate?" the
options, sadly, are yes/no/don't know. There was no option for "more than
enough, I wish he hadn't even gone that far". Seeing that the YES camp had 90%
of the vote after 100 odd votes, I wouldn't be surprised if the majority
feeling among users (and let's not forget that GW is attracting arguably a left-
of-center core user) was that B16 should have stuck to his guns and that the
Latin for "get lost, towelheads" should have been all his apology.

Maybe GW might like to add that option in just to test the hypothesis?

[usenetposts]

babiana napisała:

> They must be insane. They hate Christian's guts. Religion of hatred.
> news.independent.co.uk/europe/article1603761.ece

The funny thing is that even in the way they have taken offence at his words,
they only go to show how true it is, what he said.

But the irony is lost on them.

I saw another beautifully ironic image on the www.telegraph.co.uk on the
article entitled "Pope apologises to Muslims". There is someone holding up a
sign, in psychopath's handwriting with letters all different sizes:

"ALAS PoPE
BENEDICT HAS
LoST HIS MENTAL
AND MORAL BALANCE"

And this is being held aloft by someone dressed in black from head to toe, even
with black leather gloves on, with two holes cut out for eyes.

Oh, the sweet and sour sauce of unwitting irony.

I nominate it for Picture of the Year.

[babiana]

I send you the following Memri video of a sermon given in a
Palestinian mosque in May in which the true agenda of the Palestinians
and their authentic voice can be heard in all its hatefulness, which
would have put the Nazis to shame.
Please watch it until the end.


tinyurl.com/aymkj

Pope Benedict XVI has to apologize? I have no words to describe my feelings.

[usenetposts]

babiana napisała:

>
> I send you the following Memri video of a sermon given in a
> Palestinian mosque in May in which the true agenda of the Palestinians
> and their authentic voice can be heard in all its hatefulness, which
> would have put the Nazis to shame.
> Please watch it until the end.
>
>
> tinyurl.com/aymkj
>
> Pope Benedict XVI has to apologize? I have no words to describe my feelings.
>
>

Damn right. I salute this post.

[nasza_maggie]

As far as the apology goes
all that coems to my mind is
'mądry głupiemu ustępuje'.

[minimus]

> 'mądry głupiemu ustępuje'.
hear hear
We are not ready for the war yet.

[usenetposts]

minimus napisał:

> > 'mądry głupiemu ustępuje'.
> hear hear
> We are not ready for the war yet.

Will we be more ready when Iran already has its warhead?

Or when the demographics mean that they start to outnumber us? Or at least
match us more closely so that both sides need to fight to the last man standing?

All we need to start the war is to secure the neutrality of China. We should do
so asap, and then get on with it.

WWIII will certainly happen, and will certainly happen along the Islam/Non
Islam fault line. The longer it takes before we get it over and done with, the
worse it will be.

I can understand that this sentiment looks less humanitarian than the sentiment
of those who are trying at all costs to put off the war in the hope there is
some other way, but that is in fact not the case. If I thought it was I would
speak differently.

[minimus]

> and their authentic voice can be heard in all its hatefulness, which
> would have put the Nazis to shame.
> Please watch it until the end.
>
> tinyurl.com/aymkj

I expected something bit more dramatic. This is more or less what you can hear
from "guest speakers" on our very own Radio M.

[babiana]

minimus napisał:

> > and their authentic voice can be heard in all its hatefulness, which
> > would have put the Nazis to shame.
> > Please watch it until the end.
> >
> > tinyurl.com/aymkj
>
> I expected something bit more dramatic. This is more or less what you can hear
> from "guest speakers" on our very own Radio M.


That's a very interesting and imaginative comparison.

[mniklas5]

na jezyk angielski, wszyscy ktorzy tu napisali to Polacy ktorzy myslea ze znaja
jezyk, dlaczego , dlatego ze zaden Anglik lub Amerykanin nie napisze zdania
ktore ma 5 orzeczen i 10 rzeczownikow. Zdanie w j.angielskim ma jedno
orzeczenie , jest krotkie i ma sens, Polacy tlumacza swoja mysle uzywajac
polskiej mentalnosci a wiec duzo mowienia i niczego nie powiedzenie, to jest
typowe szczegolnie u politykow, ktorzy do perfekcji opanowali tzw perfumowania
gowna

I'm sick and tired

[brookie]

of non Muslims being forced to apologise to Muslims every time
something "wrong" is said. And "wrong" doesn't mean inappropriate in our mind
or speach, but obviously offends them. And thy're damn sensitive.

[nasza_maggie]

really? That's a very interesting analysis...
not.

[babiana]

"Po sie silic" pisac po polsku? Did you mean 5 orzeczen i 10 podmiotow? "Swoje
mysle" trzeba wyrazac precyzyjnie i najlepiej nic nie pisac jak nie ma sie
"niczego nie powiedzenie".

[brookie]

Yep, every time any discussion goes off, there is always a person diverting
people's attention towards b......t.

"Po sie silic" pisac po polsku? Did you mean 5 orzeczen i 10 podmiotow? "Swoje
mysle" trzeba wyrazac precyzyjnie i najlepiej nic nie pisac jak nie ma sie
"niczego nie powiedzenie".

[nasza_maggie]

British Telecom??? Have the french taken them over too?))))

[babiana]

brookie napisała:

> Yep, every time any discussion goes off, there is always a person diverting
> people's attention towards b......t.
>

Agitators?
wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,60935,2743273.html

[usenetposts]

mniklas5 napisał:

> na jezyk angielski, wszyscy ktorzy tu napisali to Polacy ktorzy myslea ze
znaja
>
> jezyk, dlaczego , dlatego ze zaden Anglik lub Amerykanin nie napisze zdania
> ktore ma 5 orzeczen i 10 rzeczownikow. Zdanie w j.angielskim ma jedno
> orzeczenie , jest krotkie i ma sens, Polacy tlumacza swoja mysle uzywajac
> polskiej mentalnosci a wiec duzo mowienia i niczego nie powiedzenie, to jest
> typowe szczegolnie u politykow, ktorzy do perfekcji opanowali tzw perfumowania
>
> gowna

So you think...

In fact I use long sentences because I am educated. The media use short ones
because they are about appealing to the lowest common denominator. I am a
native speaker of English, but I am talking, in the main, to an intelligent
audience here, and so I use the sentence length which suits my purposes.

[kylie1]

I like B16's
> readiness to tell the truth. If I were a Catholic, I would be very proud of
> him right now.

That's true, Dave but if he keeps it up, the Vatican will be burying another
pope real soon.

Sermo Ratisburgiae recantandus? Nole!

[usenetposts]

kylie1 napisała:

> I like B16's
> > readiness to tell the truth. If I were a Catholic, I would be very proud
> of
> > him right now.
>
> That's true, Dave but if he keeps it up, the Vatican will be burying another
> pope real soon.
>
>

This guy has already given his life for what he believes is the truth, and
getting assassinated by a muslim fanatic would not spoil what he has done so
far, quite the opposite, in fact.

We don't need Church leaders who retract and recant their views out of fear of
death. there never would have been a reformation had the protestants did that,
and if now and again the catholics need to do it, well, you know, that's what
we do. I could also be putting myself at risk from what I say, but I really
prefer to tell the truth. If we do get killed for it, then everyone will know
that we were right.

It is just a junk

[szahtut]

Hey guys, you are really funny. I have read most of your statement, beleive me,
a you have a great talent to do a TVshow, theater, or movies...
Are you thinking that people are dump? or maybe it is just emontion; and you
forgot that Jesus was terrorized by other community at that time, I think it is
clear that so called Islam didn't exist at that moment, and every one know that
the holy spirit was tortured on the cross, and of course every one knows the
story so what is new what is going on nowdays.
So if someone want to tell the truth, he must not think that in other side of
the river is crap, but perhaps someone who is watching him.
I am sure no one can do his toilet and shows his ass to another person, and as
reaction it would be vomiting. That a human nature. Keep in your mind if you
knock on the door gentilly the person will open the door with big smil, and vis-
versa.

[kylie1]

szahtut, I honestly don't have a clue what you are rambling about...


> the holy spirit was tortured on the cross.

It was a lot more than just the Spirit. It was Christ's body...in physical form,
don't forget THAT szahtut.

>he must not think that in other side of
the river is crap,

what's that supposed to mean?
or

> I am sure no one can do his toilet and shows his ass to another person,

Are you talking about Benny's ass or what?

I think you tried to cram a lot of your own emotions into your post. The only
thing is I don't have a clue what you are yapping about...

Can you rephrase it for us, please?

thnax,

kylie

[usenetposts]

kylie1 napisała:

> szahtut, I honestly don't have a clue what you are rambling about...
>

You're not the only one. Szahtut needs to take a deep breath and give us
his/her ideas more slowly and simply.

>
> > the holy spirit was tortured on the cross.
>
> It was a lot more than just the Spirit. It was Christ's body...in physical
form
> ,
> don't forget THAT szahtut.

I am not sure that I have ever read a scripture that supports the idea that the
other persons of the Trinity other than the Son also participated in his
propitiatory sufferings. I think that what Szahtut has suggested is actually
seriously heterodox, as far as Nicene-creed based Christianity is concerned.

There is such a thing as modalism, which is an over-reaction against Arianism,
which would probably be able to accommodate the idea, but like I say, there's
no Bible verse he can quote to back up his assertion.

to be or not to be this is the question

[szahtut]

kylie1 napisała:

> szahtut, I honestly don't have a clue what you are rambling about...
>
>
> > the holy spirit was tortured on the cross.
>
> It was a lot more than just the Spirit. It was Christ's body...in physical
form
> ,
> don't forget THAT szahtut.
>
> >he must not think that in other side of
> the river is crap,
>
> what's that supposed to mean?
> or
>
> > I am sure no one can do his toilet and shows his ass to another person,
>
> Are you talking about Benny's ass or what?
>
> I think you tried to cram a lot of your own emotions into your post. The only
> thing is I don't have a clue what you are yapping about...
>
> Can you rephrase it for us, please?
>
> thnax,
>
> kylie
In John 14;26 (Bible), we can find:
"The Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, whom the Father will send in my name, he
shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto
you.""

with respect to our father, life must continue in peace and love,we should love
the others, why all the shits and cabagge about other faith, does one of us
know something about there culture or faith?
why are you mixing them and screwing them. to the best of aknowledge, they are
peaceful people,
I suppose guys that you are embarrassing our Jesus by aggressing other faith
meanly the muslim's faith. why, shame on you

[usenetposts]

szahtut napisał:

> In John 14;26 (Bible), we can find:
> "The Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, whom the Father will send in my name, he
> shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said
unto
> you.""

In what way does this verse say that the Holy Spirit suffered on the cross?

That is what you claimed and what you are being asked to prove from scripture.

>
> with respect to our father, life must continue in peace and love,we should
love
>
> the others, why all the shits and cabagge about other faith, does one of us
> know something about there culture or faith?
> why are you mixing them and screwing them. to the best of aknowledge, they
are
> peaceful people,

You obviously live on a different planet to the rest of us. Of course they are
not peaceful people. They are only peaceful when the rock is in your hand, not
theirs. You only need to follow current events to see the truth.

> I suppose guys that you are embarrassing our Jesus by aggressing other faith
> meanly the muslim's faith. why, shame on you

Faith in Jesus has only meaning when the choice to have faith or not is free.

This is why we oppose the Islamo-fascists, to get rid of their bullying and
duress. Then the people in those countries will be free to decide what they
really think about religion, whether to be a believer in Mohammed, in
christianity, or in nothing at all.

Jesus didn't go around poking swords in people's faces making them believe. He
challenged them to believe, but He didn't force them to state that they
believed if they couldn't care less, by using violence.

If you are concerned about Jesus, and not Islam as I suspect, then you should
be in favour of doing things His way. And that means opposing religious
fascism, be that the Pharisees of His time or the Islamists of today.

[usenetposts]

szahtut napisał:


> I am sure no one can do his toilet and shows his ass to another person, and
as
> reaction it would be vomiting. That a human nature. Keep in your mind if you
> knock on the door gentilly the person will open the door with big smil, and
vis
> -
> versa.

I'll remember that if I ever need to use one at the same time as someone else.

Thanks.

[babiana]

Enough apologies!

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/18/AR2006091800992.html?sub=new

[babiana]

A Corriere della Sera journalist stated that Oriana Fallaci, who passed away few
days ago, discovered the true face of Islam and she alone would be able to
comment on the current crisis and attacks on Pope Benedict XVI.
He underlines that in the current situation, she would have probably encouraged
the pope not to concede.

[marimax]

For the first time I agree with USENETPOSTS
B16 I am proud of you and please do not apologize

[ianek70]

He did the right thing by clarifying what he meant, and not apologising for his
words (being sorry for causing offence is something else).

Dialogue between religions is pointless.
In order to prove that a god supports one set of primitive superstitions and
wacky rituals rather than another, they would first have to prove that that god
existed. Nobody ever has, nobody ever can, nobody ever will.

The only reason they stopped settling theological arguments with swords was
that they invented guns.

it is not fun

[szahtut]

ianek70 napisał:

> He did the right thing by clarifying what he meant, and not apologising for
his
>
> words (being sorry for causing offence is something else).
>
> Dialogue between religions is pointless.
> In order to prove that a god supports one set of primitive superstitions and
> wacky rituals rather than another, they would first have to prove that that
god
>
> existed. Nobody ever has, nobody ever can, nobody ever will.
>
> The only reason they stopped settling theological arguments with swords was
> that they invented guns.

maybe he is right, but it is shameful that he couldn't tell the answer of the
other part;
I do believe that Islam is growing faster that we think because for the moment
the muslims don't use swore any more, but the B16, intelligent bomb,
phosphorics bombs, laser ans others,.... to show our real democracy prawda,
poczekaj, tell me who throw the nuclear bombs in Japan? Dose any one from
islamic country say christian or Jesus, of couse they say USA simply.

just look to the news, who is killing people in Ivory cost , in Rwanda,congo,
and others,
so I believe that we are christian in deep water. we should spread Love.

[babiana]

You garble all facts and information. You distort to such an extent that it is
impossible to comment or discuss. Muslims don't use swords anymore? Stop your
sputter because it's not funny.

[szahtut]

babiana napisała:

> You garble all facts and information. You distort to such an extent that it
is
> impossible to comment or discuss. Muslims don't use swords anymore? Stop your
> sputter because it's not funny.
>
Just one time, look to yourself in the mirror.
Dumb-freedom

[babiana]

Amen

[ianek70]

babiana napisała:

> You garble all facts and information. You distort to such an extent that it
is
> impossible to comment or discuss.

So I'll clarify:
All the so-called 'great' religions were spread by violence or the threat of
violence.
Medieval Christians and Muslims used swords, later they had guns, now they have
missiles (swords now have mainly symbolic value).
These things are essential for them, since they obviously can't conquer
people's hearts and minds with logic or common sense. No religious leader has
ever even bothered trying to prove the existence of their gods.
So if there is no constructive dialogue within religions, there is obviously no
point trying to have a debate between different religions, or between religious
leaders and people in the real world.
Either they make/keep people Christian or Muslim using violence, or they argue
that it's our/their tradition, because 1,000 years ago they converted our
ancestors using violence.

www.sundayherald.com/57953

Whether people believe nice lies about angels and love and magic paintings, or
nasty lies about having to kill the infidel, it's all lies.

washington post

[nasza_maggie]

Enough Apologies

By Anne Applebaum
Tuesday, September 19, 2006; Page A21

Already, angry Palestinian militants have assaulted seven West Bank and Gaza
churches, destroying two of them. In Somalia, gunmen shot dead an elderly
Italian nun. Radical clerics from Qatar to Qom have called, variously, for
a "day of anger" or for worshipers to "hunt down" the pope and his followers.
From Turkey to Malaysia, Muslim politicians have condemned the pope and called
his apology "insufficient." And all of this because Benedict XVI, speaking at
the University of Regensburg, quoted a Byzantine emperor who, more than 600
years ago, called Islam a faith "spread by the sword." We've been here before,
of course. Similar protests were sparked last winter by cartoon portrayals of
Muhammad in the Danish press. Similar apologies resulted, though Benedict's is
more surprising than those of the Danish government. No one, apparently, can
remember any pope, not even the media-friendly John Paul II, apologizing for
anything in such specific terms: not for the Inquisition, not for the
persecution of Galileo and certainly not for a single comment made to an
academic audience in an unimportant German city.

But Western reactions to Muslim "days of anger" have followed a familiar
pattern, too. Last winter, some Western newspapers defended their Danish
colleagues, even going so far as to reprint the cartoons

[usenetposts]

The article you quoted by Anne Applebaum is very good indeed. A good blast on
the trumpet for us to stop apologising and start uniting.

We've had enough ... of muzzlim guff.

[babiana]

Islam, like Christianity, is not above criticism
(Filed: 18/09/2006)

The Pope quotes a barbed medieval criticism of Islamic violence in the course of
a scholarly discourse, and Muslims all over the world go into uproar; churches
are firebombed. The Prime Minister's wife delivers a playful slap to a cheeky
teenager, and six detectives rush to question her.

We are living in a world that has lost not only its sense of proportion but also
its ability to discriminate.

In the case of Cherie Blair – who aimed a slap at a 17-year-old fencing champion
while both of them giggled – it is hard not to conclude that it served her
right. In her role as a trendy human rights lawyer, she has helped foster the
nosy paranoia that led the Child Protection in Sport Unit to call the police.
That said, however, Mrs Blair was clearly guilty of nothing more than a sense of
humour.
advertisement

By contrast, it is not immediately apparent how much blame to attach to Benedict
XVI for the worldwide furore over last week's lecture. On reflection, the answer
must be: not very much. Presumably, the Pope regrets quoting the Byzantine
emperor's opinion that aspects of Islam were "inhuman". Moderate Muslims have
been upset by it, and Benedict reiterated yesterday that he was sorry that they
had taken offence. But he is even more sorry that this offence has been
exacerbated by the deliberate manipulation of his words by Islamic firebrands
and their slick media operation.

The combination of grievance-nurturing multiculturalism and instant headlines is
having a disastrous effect on the worldwide Muslim community. There seems to be
no limit to its spokesmen's willingness to voice outrage; and their messages are
then picked up by fanatics who mount appalling attacks on Christians in Muslim
countries. When was the last time a Muslim leader apologised for such atrocities?

The truth is that barbaric attacks happen weekly. No wonder that Benedict
favours an urgent dialogue with Muslims on the subject of religious violence,
rather than the usual touchy-feely exchange of compliments.

Well, he has started a dialogue now, albeit not quite in the way that he
intended. And it is essential that it continue. A self-abasing apology from the
Pope would have postponed that discussion yet again.

We suspect that Western public opinion is not displeased that Benedict has said
the unsayable. Now it is time for other churchmen to tell their Muslim
counterparts that, in addition to dishing out criticism, they must learn how to
take it.

to be or not to be this is what?

[szahtut]

usenetposts napisał:


>
> At present it's the Muslim world that have gotten up in arms about it, rather
> than dissenting Catholics and liberal Protestants, although their voice will
> not be long in bleating. I just hope he sticks to his opinion and doesn't
> backpedal and subscribe to the media lie that only extreme Islam is
> aggressive, violent Islam. The Pope told it like it is - it all is. The
> religion of Mohammed is spread by the sword. And thatwas true from the word
> go to the end. Yes Catholics an yes protestants have spread their views by
> the sword during the darkest moments of our history, but it was where we
> failed. Where they do it is where they succeed. They succeed in doing
> Mohammed's stated will, and if we spread the Gospel that way, we go against
> what Jesus said.
>
> To remind them of that greatly offends them, but TOUGH. I like B16's
> readiness to tell the truth. If I were a Catholic, I would be very proud of
> him right now.
>
Dear, as I said before, you are attaking Islamic faith on purpose or not, and
that depends on your consciense,
If the Islam was spread by sword as you said, NO one would be a muslim till
today, and that waas proved by your example related to Christian faith in mifle-
age, and as you said it a blak page in christian faith history. other example
to prove that any faith can not be followed using Sword or Bombs or F-16.
just look to the missionary in Afrika, even in Islamic countries didn't work to
bring people the christianity why? because they give them some litters of milk
and bread but in the same time others group were stollen their countries (
petrol, Dimond, copper, distroying theier nature, putting the chemical
waste,...). and so on.
I condemn 100% the 9/11 aggression, but look to the american people who
accepted islam as new faith, why? is Mohammed spreading his faith using sword,
IDOUBT YOU DARE TO SAY YES. because mohammed dead, but why he brought tothe
human being is true, and of course the Koran was notfrom him but from God as as
Bible was from God.
and before to be proud of some one just read between the lines of the holly
pope speech.
Mark 12:28-30
28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and
perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first
commandment of all?
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O
Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first
commandment.

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> usenetposts napisał:
>
> Dear,

Actually, I'm not that way inclined, but thanks anyway

> as I said before, you are attaking Islamic faith on purpose or not, and
> that depends on your consciense,
> If the Islam was spread by sword as you said, NO one would be a muslim till
> today, and that waas proved by your example related to Christian faith in
mifle
> -
> age, and as you said it a blak page in christian faith history. other example
> to prove that any faith can not be followed using Sword or Bombs or F-16.
> just look to the missionary in Afrika, even in Islamic countries didn't work
to
>
> bring people the christianity why? because they give them some litters of
milk
> and bread but in the same time others group were stollen their countries (
> petrol, Dimond, copper, distroying theier nature, putting the chemical
> waste,...). and so on.
> I condemn 100% the 9/11 aggression, but

"I condemn 9/11 BUT" it's always that way with you people isn't it?

> look to the american people who
> accepted islam as new faith, why? is Mohammed spreading his faith using
sword,
> IDOUBT YOU DARE TO SAY YES. because mohammed dead, but why he brought tothe
> human being is true, and of course the Koran was notfrom him but from God as
as
>
> Bible was from God.

Let's hear what this holy Book says at Sura 111, then, where we see mohammed
getting in a strop at his uncle, because his uncle listened to his aunty to
said "prophet, my ass, and don't you go giving him any of our money":

"Let the hands of Abu Lahab perish, and let himself perish!
His wealth and his gains shall avail him not.
Burned shall he be at the fiery flame
And his wife laden with fire wood,-
On her neck a rope of palm fibre." (Sura 111)

Wookh takoy maladyets. And we see similar nonsense and threats on almost every
page of that nasty little kitaab.

Open your eyes, matey.

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> "I condemn 9/11 BUT" it's always that way with you people isn't it?

As human being NO one accept that action but open your mind? How many Vietnamse
dead???
Irak???
Palestine???
Libanone???
So Mister Blar "liar" Dimocracy Dumb,
But Petrol Guys,
I condemn 9/11, could you condemn the evengilist christian liberal actions In
Afganistan, Irak, Palestine Libanon and so on. even not you prove that you
believe to Darwinism's theory
> > Bible was from God.

I think the Bible never said I am from God and the only book who said that book
(Bible) is from God is Koran.
> Let's hear what this holy Book says at Sura 111, then, where we see mohammed
> getting in a strop at his uncle, because his uncle listened to his aunty to
> said "prophet, my ass, and don't you go giving him any of our money":

Wow, I appreciate your interest to that man:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Masadd
Once Abu Lahab asked the Prophet: "If I were to accept your religion, what
would I get?" The Prophet replied: "You would get what the other believers
would get." Abu Lahab responded: "Is there no preference or distinction for
me?" In which the Prophet replied, "What else do you want?" Abu Lahab replied
back: "May this religion perish in which I and all other people should be equal
and alike!"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Lahab

> On her neck a rope of palm fibre." (Sura 111)
However, Surat 109 is saying something else:
Surat: The Disbelievers
KORAN
In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

Say (O Muhammad(peace be upon him) to these Mushrikun and Kafirun):"O Al-
Kafirun (disbelievers in Allah, in His Oneness, in His Angels, in His Books, in
His Messengers, in the DAy of Resurrection, and in predistination, etc.)!
"I worship not that which you worship, Nor will you worship that which I
worship And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping. Nor will you
worship that which I worship. To you be your religion, and to me my religion
(Islamic Monotheism)."


> Open your eyes, matey.

I should do, but what about this:
Whereas, The Bible is a collection of writings by many different authors, the
Quran is a dictation (or recitation). The speaker in the Quran - in the first
person - is God Almighty (Allah) talking directly to man. In the Bible you have
many men writing about God and you have in some places the word of God speaking
to men and still in other places you have some men simply writing about history
or personal exchanges of information to one another (ex: Epistle of John 3).
The Bible in the English King James Version consists of 66 small books. About
18 of them begin by saying: This is the revelation God gave to so and so… The
rest make no claim as to their origin. You have for example the beginning of
the book of Jonah which begins by saying: The word of the Lord came to Jonah
the son of Elmitaeh saying… quote and then it continues for two or three pages


to be or not to be this is the truth,?

[babiana]

Muslims challenging the idol worship of Hinduism

"I wrote to the sangkancil and akandabaratham forum group about the
truth of Hinduism.
Some Muslims got upset. They threatened me with
lynching, blackmail, and reporting to the infamous Malaysian Police.

First, read what I had written - ” All must know that Hindu ritual
practice were done in the earliest stages. Only Islam came later by
tailoring some facts. For example, the Hindus will go round a Siva
temple seven times and offer the gifts to the icon God or Goddess. In
the Siva temple, prayers are offered five times daily. It is the
morning, noon, afternoon, evening and late evening by the priest. It
is not compulsory for every Hindu devotee to pray five times daily,
unless they wanted to impress with their holier-than-thou facade.

Why has one to go round seven times, especially in the Temple of Lord
Siva? To reach Lord Siva one had to cross seven seas. The Serpent
Virgin Ladies (Naga Kanni Amman) was guarding each sea. (The seas must
consider as mind waves). Each lady must permit you to the next
destination. Destinations can be considered as seven rooms guarded
heavily by these serpent virgin ladies. After all the seven virgin
ladies gave you the permission, then we can see our Lord Siva. We
Hindu devotees don’t have to travel to Mecca to perform the ritual.=20
One can stay where they are and practice meditation and mantra.

BTW, we Hindus don’t mind any Muslims praying to the Black Stone in
the Kaabah, because our Almighty Hindu God, Lord Siva Linggam sits
there. Actually Muslims big brother Mohammed knew the truth. He
fasted for forty-eight days (Wow! the Quoran forgot the number of
days!) By fasting his third eye opened, and he had to pass through
seven virgin ladies one by one to open the doors so finally he was
able to meet the Lord Siva.

So with respect to the Lord Siva, Muslims big brother followed the
annual ritual, going round seven times to open the doors. On the final
round instead of meeting Lord Siva, he kissed the stone. That is the
truth. The Arab followers were just following what Muslims big brother
did in his life but know not the true reason.

We Hindus perform the rituals once a year by wearing white loin
clothes over the body and cut or shave the hair. This hair was offered
as devotee’s karma to be forgiven of his / her sin. Did you notice the
Muslim following the same rituals by cutting or shaving the hair and
wearing white loin clothes when they perform the Hajj in Mecca? NO
question should be asked. It is called ritual practice in Islam. It is
alright for Islam to promote ritual practices but the non-Muslims
can’t! What a silly mentality!

Why has Muslims to pray five times a day? The Linggam Stone (Lord
Siva) has five types of power. To represent praying five times by
facing the direction of the black stone to bow and prostrate, asking
the same power from God to bestow towards one who is praying. Muslims
should understand that angel Gabriel gave the black stone. Who is this
angel Gabriel? In Hinduism, angel Gabriel was “Lord Naga
Linggeswarer”. When the Muslims are criticizing non-believers’
worshipping idols / icons as Satan, what is Kaaba, black stone, and
two satan pillars made of?

Later, the same upset Muslims wrote me saying that Hindus, like other
pagans, worship useless, lifeless objects which can be pissed upon,
and has no ability to do anything. If anyone spit on any of the idols
that I worship, they will not move one bit. Besides they criticize my
idol worshipping even to the length of using foul languages. They
label me “kafir” and demand that I should be killed according to
Islam.
I can see life in my idols. But it’s very hard to prove the existence
of God in the idols.

For 1400 years the Muslims showed hatred towards idol worshippers and brand them
as kafirs. This has made Muslims being seen in negative light by the others, and
usually associated with terrorist cults. Islam is not a religion of peace,
because the actions prove they are violent and irrational. Actually we cannot
blame the Muslims from acting this way. It is not their fault that they have
been misled. The only fault in Islam was their stupid book written by
unknown writers 1400 years ago. That book contradicts itself in so
many places. Even the so-called educated Muslims can’t comprehend it.

In this 21st century, all of us must put and end the stupid thinking
of hatred and live in peace. So to this end, I am inviting the Muslims
worldwide to take this challenge. Well, I am calling these Muslims to
come forward to accept the challenge of spitting, kicking and pissing
on one of the temples in Malaysia arranged by myself. In this temple
there are no statues, but only ant-hill, trisulam (iron spear) and one
red brick (as a statue). Now the Muslim must get reality in themselves
and prove to me (and other Hindus) that worshipping is not worth,
lifeless and can’t be harmed by any Hindu God/Goddess from the idols,
by accepting the challenge. It is cowardly writing of the Muslims
showing their stupidity against Hinduism. Prove to the Hindus by
spitting, kicking and pissing on the Hindu Idols. I need twelve true
Islam believers around the globe to come forward and participate in
this challenge."

May the Hindu Gods/Goddesses Bless Everyone!

OM SIVAYA NAMAHA

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> Muslims challenging the idol worship of Hinduism

SUrat: The Disbelievers
KORAN
In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

Say (O Muhammad(peace be upon him) to these Mushrikun and Kafirun):"O Al-
Kafirun (disbelievers in Allah, in His Oneness, in His Angels, in His Books, in
His Messengers, in the DAy of Resurrection, and in predistination, etc.)!
"I worship not that which you worship, Nor will you worship that which I
worship And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping. Nor will you
worship that which I worship. To you be your religion, and to me my religion
5Islamic Monotheism)."

wow guys, it looks clear to me that freedon in religion

[babiana]

Tomasz Lysakowski's article is a summery of the discussion on this forum.
lysakowski.wordpress.com/2006/09/19/papiez-z-jajami/

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Top blog. I wish I could do with the wordpress software what this guy has found
out how to do.