Take it easy guys

[szahtut]

I should reminber some of sick mind:
Universal declaration:
Article1:

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are
endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a
spirit of brotherhood.
Article 2:
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this
Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex,
language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin,
property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on
the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the
country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent,
trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

please stop your XXXX-phobia

keep smille

[babiana]

Australia and sharia law.

Good thinking on the Aussies part.

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get
out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off
potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia at
a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his ministers made it
clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as
heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to
leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state and
its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a
country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for
you," he said on national television. "I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching
that there are two laws governing people in Australia, one the Australian law
and another the Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with
parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law
and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps,
then, that's a better option," Costello said. Asked whether he meant radical
clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could
possibly be asked to move to the other country.

Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not
want to accept local values should "clear off". "Basically, people who don't
want to be Australians, and they don't want to live by Australian values and
understand them, well then they can basically clear off," he said. Separately,
Howard angered Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy
agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.

[usenetposts]

Crikey!

Those cobbers are talking fair dinkum.

I would say that Australia has given us a "ray of hope", but that would be like
a sick joke anytime this month.

[babiana]

usenetposts napisał:

> Crikey!
>
> Those cobbers are talking fair dinkum.
>
> I would say that Australia has given us a "ray of hope", but that would be like
>
> a sick joke anytime this month.

Good news from Australia.

Friday September 22, 2006
Guardian Weekly

Oz to get tough with immigrant test
Migrants to Australia who fail a new English language test could have their
right to claim citizenship withdrawn, under new proposals announced last week.
The new measures are part of a discussion paper put forward by parliamentary
secretary for immigration Andrew Robb and backed by Prime Minister John Howard.

"I am very keen on everybody learning the English language as soon as possible,"
said Howard, who flagged up his concerns about English skills last month. He
called on Muslim immigrants to learn and speak English better and to integrate
into Australian society. "Fully integrating means accepting Australian values,
it means learning as rapidly as you can the English language, if you don't
already speak it."

The latest proposals would also increase the waiting period for people to become
citizens from three years to four years.

[usenetposts]

They are showing us the way. It was good that Australia abandoned the "whites
only" policy, but it should in exchange have a "no Islamicists" policy. If a
person has sharia is his head then that person is not fit to live with decent
human beings even if he or she looks like Goldilocks or Goldilocks'es brother.

Dumb-Dumber-Dumbest

[szahtut]

usenetposts napisał:

> They are showing us the way. It was good that Australia abandoned the "whites
> only" policy, but it should in exchange have a "no Islamicists" policy. If a
> person has sharia is his head then that person is not fit to live with decent
> human beings even if he or she looks like Goldilocks or Goldilocks'es brother.

if that true, that mean all foreigners in Rwanda are speaking: Kinyarwanda or
Swahilli, no, no. this is very (poor country). In Japan So cllaed English
teacher are they speaking Japanese, or maybe in Irak those armada are they
speaking Arabic or those armada of journalist are they speaking Arabic or they
are paying some people to translate the craps.
or they learned foreigne languges before attacking North Koera, Syria, Iran...

to be or not to be this truth,

[babiana]

szahtut napisał:

> usenetposts napisał:
>
> > They are showing us the way. It was good that Australia abandoned the "wh
> ites
> > only" policy, but it should in exchange have a "no Islamicists" policy. I
> f a
> > person has sharia is his head then that person is not fit to live with de
> cent
> > human beings even if he or she looks like Goldilocks or Goldilocks'es bro
> ther.
>
> if that true, that mean all foreigners in Rwanda are speaking: Kinyarwanda or
> Swahilli, no, no. this is very (poor country). In Japan So cllaed English
> teacher are they speaking Japanese, or maybe in Irak those armada are they
> speaking Arabic or those armada of journalist are they speaking Arabic or they
> are paying some people to translate the craps.
> or they learned foreigne languges before attacking North Koera, Syria, Iran...
>
> to be or not to be this truth,

Neither of these foreigners are determined(or eager) to become citizens of
Rwanda, Iraq, North Korea, Syria etc.

[szahtut]

babiana napisała:

> > or they learned foreigne languges before attacking North Koera, Syria, Ir
> an...
> >
> > to be or not to be this truth,
>
> Neither of these foreigners are determined(or eager) to become citizens of
> Rwanda, Iraq, North Korea, Syria etc.
>

so why they are there?

[szahtut]

thanks, it was interesting,
but you shoul remember that in Australia, there is a lot of preachers in the
parlement, so like you they are always against other, they don't want that
other exist, regarding Presid H, it is enough to see what he did in Timor, so
what do u think about that?

[usenetposts]

szahtut napisał:

> thanks, it was interesting,
> but you shoul remember that in Australia, there is a lot of preachers in the
> parlement, so like you they are always against other, they don't want that
> other exist, regarding Presid H, it is enough to see what he did in Timor, so
> what do u think about that?
>

Szahtut, is it that there no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet or is
this not the case?

[szahtut]

> Szahtut, is it that there no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet or is
> this not the case?
>

It is not true to assume that our faith is true simply because parents, and
preachers have told us something passed down to them by generations. What I
would invite all of us to do (it is not obligation, freedom)is to do research
for ourselves and what is the origin of modern Christianity and what should be
our perspective on true belief with respect to others.
I believe that u can only achieve this purpose only with open minds and hearts.

regarding(is it that there no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet or is
> this not the case?) you know well that bodism said Buda, Konfoshism the same,
and we are christian the same speech, and why not Muslims and Geova.
Freedom, everyone looks for the refernce so as to have a stability in mind as
well as in his heart.
My point please don't harm others under christianity umbrella, Buda, God ,
Allah and others, are for human being.

[usenetposts]

szahtut napisał:

>
> > Szahtut, is it that there no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet or
> is
> > this not the case?
> >
>
> It is not true to assume that our faith is true simply because parents, and
> preachers have told us something passed down to them by generations. What I
> would invite all of us to do (it is not obligation, freedom)is to do research
> for ourselves and what is the origin of modern Christianity and what should
be
> our perspective on true belief with respect to others.
> I believe that u can only achieve this purpose only with open minds and
hearts.
>
> regarding(is it that there no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet or is
> > this not the case?) you know well that bodism said Buda, Konfoshism the s
> ame,
> and we are christian the same speech, and why not Muslims and Geova.
> Freedom, everyone looks for the refernce so as to have a stability in mind as
> well as in his heart.
> My point please don't harm others under christianity umbrella, Buda, God ,
> Allah and others, are for human being.
>

So is there no God but Allah and Mohammed being his prophet or is that not the
case? Yes or no?

[babiana]

Let's go down-to-earth. Facts can only be true. Who are the toublemakers who
incite riots?

Religious and peaceful Middle Easterners verbally abused and harassed Australian
women on Cronulla beach.The same happened on Paris beaches but France's reaction
was different. How far the tolerance can go?

"As the only Sydney beach easily accessible by train, Cronulla, a middle-class,
predominantly Anglo-Celtic beach suburb, has long been popular with young people
from the working-class western suburbs of Sydney. Different youth cultures and
"tribes" have contested "ownership" of the beach since the 1950s. The 1979 novel
and the subsequent 1981 film, Puberty Blues, captured Cronulla's distinctive
subcultures.

More recently, an ethnic dimension has been added to this mix since many of
those coming to Cronulla by train are of non-English speaking background. Among
these diverse groups have been a few, often of Lebanese background, whose
behavior —verbal abuse and harassment of women and intrusion on peaceful use of
the beach — annoys and offends other beachgoers. These types of incidents rarely
involved the police before the December riots.

After the attack on the lifesavers, locals and beachgoers became more vocal
about the harassment and disturbances. The initial attack on the lifesavers
followed a request (possibly involving verbal abuse on both sides) that the
Middle Easterners stop playing soccer in a way that was disturbing other beach
users."
www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?id=377

No way

[szahtut]

so what your point,
have you ever heard that tourists from europ; or other oversea countries, were
attacked by what you called islamist.

please stop lies, I have been in France, Spain, belguim, Holland, Germany and
others, I have never say any kind of discrimination or harm in beach;s, you
know well that there is some unknown people who put the oil on it and of course
what we read in newspaper is not 100% true. most of the time it is crapy news.

[marcus_anglikiem]

babiana napisała:

> Religious and peaceful Middle Easterners verbally abused and harassed
Australia
> n
> women on Cronulla beach.The same happened on Paris beaches but France's
reactio
> n
> was different. How far the tolerance can go?

> verbal abuse and harassment of women and intrusion on peaceful
> use of
> the beach — annoys and offends other beachgoers. These types of incidents
> rarely
> involved the police before the December riots.
>
> After the attack on the lifesavers, locals and beachgoers became more vocal
> about the harassment and disturbances. The initial attack on the lifesavers
> followed a request (possibly involving verbal abuse on both sides) that the
> Middle Easterners stop playing soccer in a way that was disturbing other beach
> users.

that's crazy! if anyone ever told me how to live my life in my country i'd
f***ing knock them out and spit on them!

[szahtut]

marcus_anglikiem napisał:

> that's crazy! if anyone ever told me how to live my life in my country i'd
> f***ing knock them out and spit on them!

You are right, this is what Irak tried to do whith the Blar liar -bring
democracy!-!!!

[marcus_anglikiem]

szahtut napisał:

> marcus_anglikiem napisał:
>
> > that's crazy! if anyone ever told me how to live my life in my country i'
> d
> > f***ing knock them out and spit on them!
>
> You are right, this is what Irak tried to do whith the Blar liar -bring
> democracy!-!!!

i agree with you szahtut. national sovereignty should not be abused

[usenetposts]

szahtut napisał:

> I should reminber some of sick mind:
> Universal declaration:
> Article1:
>
> All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are
> endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a
> spirit of brotherhood.
> Article 2:
> Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this
> Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex,
> language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin,
> property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on
> the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the
> country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent,
> trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
>
> please stop your XXXX-phobia
>
> keep smille


It is a disgrace to place something which we have control over, such as
religion, in the same category as things we have no control over, such as race.

That is a critical weakness, one of several, in the Universal Human Rights
Declaration, and probably a major reason why it has pretty much never been
adopted as the constitution of any real country, and has remained pretty much
the constitution of Kofi Annan's buttcrack.

[babiana]

:: Foreigners living in Poland


Islamic Love Towards Us - how sad
Autor: ja_karola
Data: 13.06.06, 04:04

I thought you might find it interesting to learn what the Saudi Ministry of
Education is doing to close the cultural / religious gap between Islam and all
other major religions in the world.

The following are only some passages drawn from what are actually the “reformed”
or “rewritten” religion books that were revised following criticism from the
West. These are excerpts that are now being taught to Saudi children and which
were leaked to the Western press:

Grade 1: “Every religion other than Islam is False.”
“Fill in the blanks with the appropriate words (Islam, hellfire): Every religion
other than _______ is false. Whoever dies outside of Islam enters______.”

Grade 5: “It is forbidden for a Muslim to be a loyal friend to someone who does
not believe in God and His Prophet, or someone who fights the religion of Islam.”
”A Muslim, even if he lives far away, is your brother in religion. Someone who
opposes God, even if he is your brother by family tie, is your enemy in religion.”

Grade 8: “As cited in Ibn Abbas: The apes are Jews, the people of the Sabbath,
while the swine are the Christians, the infidels of the communion Jesus.”
“Activity: The student writes a composition on the danger of imitating the
infidels.”

Grade 11: “The greeting ‘Peace be upon you’ is specifically for believers. It
cannot be said to others.”
“If one comes to a place where there is a mixture of Muslims and infidels, one
should offer a greeting intended for the Muslims.”

Grade 12: “Jihad in the path of God – which consists of battling against
unbelief, oppression, injustice, and those who perpetrate it – is the summit of
Islam. This religion arose through jihad was its banner raised high. It is one
of the noblest acts, which brings one closer to God, and one of the most
magnificent acts of obedience to God.”


These are just a few of many quotes. If children are brought up being
brainwashed this way, how else do you expect them to act other than with rage
toward anything Western?


(These were published in the Washington Post by Nina Shea, the director of the
Centre for Religious Freedom and Freedom House.)

best light

[szahtut]

you are right, but don't forget something, wahhabit didn't exist before. so go
back in the history, after colonisation and distruction of Ottoman empire to
who built that doctrine,
don't go away, just yesterday whatthe relation between bin ladin or family of
bin laden with Bush family, who is the ambasador of Arabia in USA, so what?
you know they are just crap, and that doesn't mean that other are monsters,

look to your self, I am shy to say that you are christian, you are full of hate
and closed mind, arabia doesn't present the islamic world, because as you know,
there only King and his family who are ruling and they do what they want, under
the name of islam,
))

[marimax]

Take your islam and islam followers and shove it...
I hope you know where

lolLLLLL

[szahtut]

marimax napisał:

> Take your islam and islam followers and shove it...
> I hope you know where

Unfortunatly, as I have said before to follow your close mind or to be against
me. I want only to help u so as to avoid the misunderstanding you have in your
mind;
I am suggesting to read this book, maybe you will understand why I am so
tolerant with other: ISLAM CHRZESCIJASTWO I ZACHOD

No worries

[szahtut]

marimax napisał:

> Take your islam and islam followers and shove it...
> I hope you know where

You are taking your impression as 100% truths when surely not even all
Christians agree with you!
heyyy, I wonder if christianity teaches us to be aggresiveness with other faith?
I am suggesting to make a difference and it is up to us to do it.
Take time to read this book:
ISLAM CHRZESCIJANSTWO I ZACHOD 5Rollin Amour), I slow down after i read this
book;

evolution or somthing else

[szahtut]

I am looking for an answer to the question of how living things, including
ourself, came into existence?
darwinism and Evolution? or creation?
here we go?

[kylie1]

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are
endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a
spirit of brotherhood.

"Resaon and conscience" you say? I have a little problem with that. Tell that to
families whose sons heads were chopped off by some rag heads.

You deserve respect only if you treat others with respect.

[szahtut]

kylie1 napisała:

> All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are
> endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a
> spirit of brotherhood.
>
> "Resaon and conscience" you say? I have a little problem with that. Tell that
t
> o
> families whose sons heads were chopped off by some rag heads.
>
> You deserve respect only if you treat others with respect.

I do agree with you,
when japaneses blow themselves in US harbor, they have huge rage in their heads.
you are right history is full of examples.
that is;