Terry Lloyd - killed by US Army

[varsovian]

You might remember him from many ITN reports.
Well, mystery surrounded his death until Friday - when a British soldier
testified to seeing his car being targeted and hit by an American tank.
Why couldn't they say this earlier?

[nasza_maggie]

Conspiracy theory?

[varsovian]

No conspiracy.
Bang bang, you're dead.
Wasn't me, guv!

verdict

[nasza_maggie]

news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13546907,00.html
The daughter of ITN reporter Terry Lloyd has said his death in Iraq three years
ago "amounts to murder".

Chelsey Lloyd was speaking after a coroner found that Mr Lloyd was "unlawfully
killed".

She said: "We have waited for three and a half years to hear the truth of how
and why my father died whilst trying to report the war for millions of viewers
back home.

"The killing of my father would seem to amount to murder which is deeply
shocking."

Oxfordshire Assistant Deputy Coroner Andrew Walker said he would write to the
Director of Public Prosecutions to call for the US perpetrators to be brought
to justice.

Summing up the inquest, Mr Walker said: "It is only now that the sequence of
events that led to this tragedy can be discovered, for a tragedy it is when the
lives of innocent civilians are lost.

"I am certain that the world is a lesser place following their sad death."


Chelsey Lloyd and cameraman Daniel Demoustier Derby-born Lloyd died on March
22, 2003 near the Shatt Al Basra Bridge in southern Iraq after his four-man
team got caught in the crossfire between American and Iraqi forces.

His body was recovered and returned to his family in Cuddington,
Buckinghamshire, while the remains of his Lebanese interpreter Hussein Osman
were later found and buried.

French cameraman Fred Nerac is still officially classed as missing.

Belgian cameraman Daniel Demoustier survived to tell the coroner how "all hell
broke loose" on the road to Basra.

The eight day-long Oxford inquest heard how Lloyd and his team had crossed from
Kuwait into Iraq as one of ITN's few unilateral teams, where journalists work
independently of the armed forces.

They crossed over the front line in the fierce battle for Basra, and ran into
Iraqi soldiers.

Ballistics expert Dr Thomas Warlow confirmed in the inquest that Lloyd was
first hit by an Iraqi bullet fired from a mounted machine gun on the pick-up
truck, which he could have survived with rapid medical treatment.

But he was then hit in the head by an American bullet as he was taken for
medical treatment in a civilian minibus, which killed him outright.

[kylie1]

They don't see it as murder. This goes by a new term nowadays called "friendly
fire". Like if there is anything friendly about the fire from a gun...??

enemy fire

[szahtut]

about 65O000 Iraqi deaths as a consequence of the war in IRAK, which
corresponds to 2·5% of the population.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6045112.stm
www.thelancet.com/webfiles/images/journals/lancet/s0140673606694919.pdf
2.5% of USA population is about 7 mill;on,

what should we call this war, Darwinism, Evangelism?

to be or not to be this is revolution, Oppression

[usenetposts]

szahtut napisał:

> about 65O000 Iraqi deaths as a consequence of the war in IRAK, which
> corresponds to 2·5% of the population.

War is like that. Could you clean up the appearance of that figure, as I'm not
sure whether you have six hundred and fifty thousand or sixty five thousand.

> news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6045112.stm
> www.thelancet.com/webfiles/images/journals/lancet/s0140673606694919.pdf
> 2.5% of USA population is about 7 mill;on,
>
> what should we call this war, Darwinism, Evangelism?

Self-defence.

Everybody knows the tender mercies you lot will give us, if God forbid you ever
get the upper hand. Well we're not your dhimmies.

[szahtut]

> Self-defence.
you are right, all armada in Irak they are protecting Iraki population, that
CLEAR enough.

> Everybody knows the tender mercies you lot will give us, if God forbid you
ever get the upper hand. Well we're not your dhimmies.

I like your reponse, always we diccover new words, so let make definition of
DHIMMIES,:
"In modern terminology, dhimmies are "citizens" of the Islamic state. From the
earliest period of Islam to the present day, Muslims are in unanimous agreement
that they enjoy the same rights and carry the same responsibilities as Muslims
themselves, while being free to practice their own faiths".

www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/Q_LP/ch4s5pre.htm
thanks for that

>

[babiana]

The Plan!

Robin Williams, wearing a shirt that says "I love New York" in Arabic.
You gotta love Robin Williams......
Even if he's nuts! Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect
plan. What US needs now is for its UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this
message.

Robin Williams' plan...(Hard to argue with this logic!)

"I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for
peace. So, here's one plan."
1) "The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their
affairs, past & present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo,
Noriega, Milosevic, Hussein, and the rest of those "good 'ole' boys", we
will never "interfere" again.

2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with
Germany, South Korea, the Middle East, and the Philippines. They don't want
us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one allowed sneaking
through holes in the fence.

3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave.
We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be
gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of whom or where they are.
They're illegal!!! France will welcome them.

4) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days
unless given a special permit!!!! No one from a terrorist nation will be
allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide
here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab
drivers or 7-11 cashiers.

5) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If
they don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home baby.

6) The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise.
This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but will
require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou
will have to cope for a while.

7) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for
their oil. If they don't like it, we go someplace else. They can go
somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling
up the storage sites would be enough.)

8) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will
not "interfere." They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain,
cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen
or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.

9) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island someplace. We don't need
the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a
good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.

10) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can
call us "Ugly Americans" any longer. The Language we speak is
ENGLISH...learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that a winner of a plan?

"The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying "Give me your tired, your poor,
your huddled masses." She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'you want
a piece of me?' "

[varsovian]

Well said.
First things first - cut 80% of your aid program.
Then start thinking about your aid program to countries other than Israel.
Then stop killing Arabs in oil-producing countries - if you're feeling kinda
protective, slaughter a few Hutus instead.
Europe says thank you for helping out in South America - we really didn't know
what to do with our Nazis in the late Forties and are grateful you gave them
gainful employment. As we're Poland-based, we give special thanks for the help
given to Kobylanski ... we've been paid back with LPR, Lepper and Radio Maryja.
As an anti-imperialist Brit I sure am glad you bankrupted us throughout and
following the second world war, but why did you have to enter into economic
imperialism yourselves?
I do happen to believe in "American" values, it's just I wish American govts
pursued them a little 'religiously'.

[usenetposts]

Nice sarcasm by Varsovian. "I sure am glad you bankrupted us". Heh heh. Don't
say that too loud, though, or Soros might take another run at the pound.