Is Poland most underestimated country in theWorld?

[waldek1610]

Some may say that; "I desperate for attention, and I'm hungry for
recognition, and generally something's wrong with me", when I bring up this
subject. But why not discuss something that seems so obvious? I don't know
about you but me as Pole, always seem to notice little things such;

1. what there's a lot of noise in the World media about Miss World Finals if
it takes place in China or in Puerto Rico, but when this year MF finals was
in Warsaw, Poland....nothing

2. when US President visits Germany, all world media headlines say; "George
Bush is in Germany!" but when he visits Poland; "George Bush is in Eastern
Europe"....

3. Poland contributs troops to Iraq, but world media choses not to mention
Poland by name, curiously nameing Holland... which have send half of the
number of troops....Hmm, I wonder what's the deal here


I can only imagine what would happen if it wasn't Polish volleyball side that
played in the finals with Brasil... but the football team in the biggest
sport event in the World....I guess CNN, BBC and Deutsche Welle would have to
pretend that their transmitors suddenly went dead

[ianek70]

waldek1610 napisał:

> Some may say that; "I desperate for attention, and I'm hungry for
> recognition, and generally something's wrong with me", when I bring up this
> subject.

When you brought it up 100 times it did seem that way.

> But why not discuss something that seems so obvious?

If it's so obvious, why bother discussing it?
Poland's completely great and there's a huge international conspiracy to keep
this fact from the front pages of the world's newspapers.
End of discussion.

you don't believe in special interest groups?

[waldek1610]

ianek70 napisał:

> If it's so obvious, why bother discussing it?
> Poland's completely great and there's a huge international conspiracy to keep
> this fact from the front pages of the world's newspapers.
> End of discussion.

Conspiracies are somethimes real things, and not only in the heads of paranoid
people

It only takes to look at the Litvinienko murder case, Russian gov said he was
never a KBG agent, but a simple prison guard, and according to them he killed
himself.

But it is easy to prove that he was a KBC agent who infiltrated to the west,
and such people sometimes become "inconvenient" get killed. But some people
will do anything to deny the truth. You don't suspect Russia of the fair play,
why would you think western media is all clean and honest?

[ianek70]

waldek1610 napisał:

> But it is easy to prove that he was a KBC agent who infiltrated to the west,
> and such people sometimes become "inconvenient" get killed.

Well, that certainly proves that Poland's underappreciated.

yeap, the "underappreicated" it the right word....

[waldek1610]

ianek70 napisał:

> waldek1610 napisał:
>
> > But it is easy to prove that he was a KBC agent who infiltrated to the
> > west, and such people sometimes become "inconvenient" get killed.

> Well, that certainly proves that Poland's underappreciated.


I take it back, maybe Poland is not the most underestimated, but certaintly as
you put it; "underaprecitated"

[hardenfelt]

Welcome back Waldek. I missed you!

[usenetposts]

hardenfelt napisał:

> Welcome back Waldek. I missed you!

He's done his "time", and now he's a free man!

[waldek1610]

usenetposts napisał:

> He's done his "time", and now he's a free man!


Well, I sort of feel like a Nelson Mandela or Lech Walesa, who's was let out of
prison... and was handed over power and asked to rule in the very same day
Yes, the history knows a lot of paradoxes.

Still my "prison" was quite a beautifull place

[usenetposts]

waldek1610 napisał:

> Some may say that; "I desperate for attention, and I'm hungry for
> recognition, and generally something's wrong with me", when I bring up this
> subject. But why not discuss something that seems so obvious? I don't know
> about you but me as Pole, always seem to notice little things such;
>
> 1. what there's a lot of noise in the World media about Miss World Finals if
> it takes place in China or in Puerto Rico, but when this year MF finals was
> in Warsaw, Poland....nothing
>
> 2. when US President visits Germany, all world media headlines say; "George
> Bush is in Germany!" but when he visits Poland; "George Bush is in Eastern
> Europe"....
>
> 3. Poland contributs troops to Iraq, but world media choses not to mention
> Poland by name, curiously nameing Holland... which have send half of the
> number of troops....Hmm, I wonder what's the deal here
>
>
> I can only imagine what would happen if it wasn't Polish volleyball side that
> played in the finals with Brasil... but the football team in the biggest
> sport event in the World....I guess CNN, BBC and Deutsche Welle would have to
> pretend that their transmitors suddenly went dead
>

It certainly seems that the only time Poland gets its fair share of coverage is
when something negative is going on.

Like the Shoah, for instance. Then it's not "Nazi death camps" it's "Polish
death camps". I was one who wrote to the Economist over that one and didn't
even get a bare acknowledgement of my complaint.

[kylie1]

Hi Waldek. Good to see you back! )

Waldek, I oftentimes wondered why a lot of Canadians and Americans don't know
where Poland/Romania/Hungary/the Chech Republic (etc.)are. I think that if you
tell them they belong in Eastern Europe, that's probably all they can handle. I
am sure you must know what they teach in schools here. They know about the "bad"
Germans and the nasty looking swastikas but if you ask anyone where exactly
Germany is, they are lost.

I think it will change with time. So far, Poland with all its beauty and great
people has been a relatively unknown country on the plains of central Europe.

oh dear

[nasza_maggie]

oh well..

hello marvelous :)

[waldek1610]

nasza_maggie napisała:

> oh well..

Sure, it doesn't make a difference to Wasza_Maggie because she pretends to be
British anyways, so why would she care wheater Poland's image in western media
is positive or not?

What counts to her is that she's all posh, fantastic gal and she serves the
Queen

[kylie1]

Waldek, I really don't think it is the same Maggie any more. Literally.

[waldek1610]

kylie1 napisała:

> Waldek, I really don't think it is the same Maggie any more. Literally.\

Are you implying, she has grown up and moved on pass her fascination with
everything British and western? I noticed her signature has changed...How
exactlly did she changed?

[kylie1]

I have a feeling it's a different person altogether. Her English is flawless.

[waldek1610]

well, her English was never bad, you got to give it to her. She is the
moderator of the English Only forum, after all. Still there's something about
her I dislike.

[usenetposts]

waldek1610 napisał:

> well, her English was never bad, you got to give it to her. She is the
> moderator of the English Only forum, after all. Still there's something about
> her I dislike.

You can't please everybody. Maggie will just have to learn to live with the
fact that you don't like her.

... that is, you LOVE her.

[minimus]

> Waldek, I oftentimes wondered why a lot of Canadians and Americans don't know
> where Poland/Romania/Hungary/the Chech Republic (etc.)are. I think that if you
> tell them they belong in Eastern Europe, that's probably all they can handle.
I
> am sure you must know what they teach in schools here. They know about
the "bad

Do you think ppl in Poland could name at least some of the states in USA or
Canada? Why should Americans bother about where Poland is? Does it affect their
lives in any significant way?
BTW its Czech not Chech!

[kylie1]

> Do you think ppl in Poland could name at least some of the states in USA or
> Canada?

I don't know, minimus...can they?

>Why should Americans bother about where Poland is?

No other reason other than Poles know where the United States is.

[minimus]

> I don't know, minimus...can they?

No, of course they can't.

> No other reason other than Poles know where the United States is.

Please...

[marcus_anglikiem]

> > Do you think ppl in Poland could name at least some of the states in USA
> or
> > Canada?

They have states in Canada too ?

[queenkong]

marcus_anglikiem napisał:

> > > Do you think ppl in Poland could name at least some of the states i
> n USA
> > or
> > > Canada?


Um, actually they can. show me one pole, who has no idea, where california is.

(me being polish and knowing at being able to name at least 20 states off hand
prolly influences my judgement...)

[usenetposts]

marcus_anglikiem napisał:

> > > Do you think ppl in Poland could name at least some of the states i
> n USA
> > or
> > > Canada?
>
> They have states in Canada too ?

They are called as follows:

Yukos,
British Colombia
Alberto Balsam
Sasquatchy-one
Northwest Terriers
Northeast Terriers (including the Newfoundland terrier and the labrador
retriever)
Nunodat
Matineeba
Antananarivo
Queueback
Prince Edward's Vancover Island
Halifax (also known as Nova Scots terrier) and last but not least
New Bunswick.

[usenetposts]

kylie1 napisała:

> Hi Waldek. Good to see you back! )
>
> Waldek, I oftentimes wondered why a lot of Canadians and Americans don't know
> where Poland/Romania/Hungary/the Chech Republic (etc.)are. I think that if you
> tell them they belong in Eastern Europe, that's probably all they can handle.
I
> am sure you must know what they teach in schools here. They know about
the "bad
> "
> Germans and the nasty looking swastikas but if you ask anyone where exactly
> Germany is, they are lost.
>
> I think it will change with time. So far, Poland with all its beauty and great
> people has been a relatively unknown country on the plains of central Europe.
>


I'm reminded of the scene from Bridget Jones where Dan Cleaver asks Bridget to
name some of the countries Germany has a border with.

Recently I had a candidate for work and I asked her what borders Austria had.
She said it didn't have any borders, as it was an island.

She was also adamant that David Brown wrote the da Vinci Code, and only yielded
when I did a quick internet search in front of her and saw it was Dan all
along.

She didn't get the job.

[minimus]

Obviously she was American

[usenetposts]

minimus napisał:

> Obviously she was American

I'm afraid not. She actually was the product of a fine Polish university, and
had the average of a 4.

But she was very attractive, attractive enough to get the grades despite being
mucho stewpida. But I'm afraid we don't employ on that basis.

[minimus]

> But she was very attractive, attractive enough to get the grades despite
being mucho stewpida.

I dont think being attractive has got anything to do with it. From what I've
heard at least. Also I met quite a few graduates of such a prestigous
University as WSE who were not only 'mucho stewpida' but also ugly.

> But I'm afraid we don't employ on that basis.
Shame. Next time u think of redecorating your office ring her again.

BTW, I hope you spoke clearly enough for her to hear that your saying Austria
not Australia. But even than she would have been wrong as Australia is not an
island.

[usenetposts]

minimus napisał:

> > But she was very attractive, attractive enough to get the grades despite
> being mucho stewpida.
>
> I dont think being attractive has got anything to do with it. From what I've
> heard at least. Also I met quite a few graduates of such a prestigous
> University as WSE who were not only 'mucho stewpida' but also ugly.
>
> > But I'm afraid we don't employ on that basis.
> Shame. Next time u think of redecorating your office ring her again.
>

If I feel like sending us all bankrupt, then I'll start suggesting jobs for
pretty airheads in our company, and she'll be right up the list.

> BTW, I hope you spoke clearly enough for her to hear that your saying Austria
> not Australia. But even than she would have been wrong as Australia is not an
> island.

Well, I said it three times very clearly.

[waldek1610]

kylie1 napisała:

> Hi Waldek. Good to see you back! )

Thank you, and likewise

> Waldek, I oftentimes wondered why a lot of Canadians and Americans don't know
> where Poland/Romania/Hungary/the Chech Republic (etc.)are. I think that if you
> tell them they belong in Eastern Europe, that's probably all they can handle.

Sure, for many Americans country doesn't exist unless they have drove a car, or
used some other prominent product made in that country....Or unless they have
seen it on TV, for example Russia doesn't produce nothing advanced and average
consumer doesn't care where the oil and other energy suplies come from, but
every American or Brit have heard of KBC agents, Ivan Drago, and other pop
culture names.



> I am sure you must know what they teach in schools here. They know about
> the "bad" Germans and the nasty looking swastikas but if you ask anyone where
> exactly Germany is, they are lost.


Well, that was not a good example, because Germans were in fact bad and
swasticas was the symbol of the nasty ideology and German regime that have
killed milion of Poles and others.


> I think it will change with time. So far, Poland with all its beauty and great
> people has been a relatively unknown country on the plains of central Europe.
>


It still sounds like an understatement...as if everything Poland had to offer
was its natural beuty and its people. Believe me what you just said is somewhat
biased, because Poland in fact has much more to offer, than just what was
created by nature

[kylie1]

In Canada most folks associate Poland with the Pope. And that's probably all
they really know about Poland. So if I say I am originally from Poland, they
would say: "Oh,yeah,I know...there is a Polish Pope". Well, yes, he is dead now,
you know.

In any case, what happens on the other side of the pond is never big news here,
unless it directly affects us in some way. If it's the cars we drive or anything
else for that matter.

Of course, there is more to Poland than trees and flowers. There is magnificent
art, architecture, cultural traditions, Polish cuisine, not to mention the
wonderful hospitality of its people. I think it remains largely unknown and
unappreciated because of the long lasting communist regime. Poland is just
staring to open its doors to the world and - like I said - it will take time.

[waldek1610]

Sure, we can't expect that others will give us prominance, we Poles have to
shove it in their faces, only then they will aknowlege us

fenomenon of bias against Poland in the Euro media

[waldek1610]

usenetposts napisał:

> It certainly seems that the only time Poland gets its fair share of coverage
> is when something negative is going on.

And why is that?.. what's your take on that?
Well, at least borders are open and many Brits and other Western Europeans come
to Poland for vacation and even on weekends, so I would rather have them
positively suprised, and understand that their media is rather unfair and
biased in portraing Poland.


> Like the Shoah, for instance. Then it's not "Nazi death camps" it's "Polish
> death camps". I was one who wrote to the Economist over that one and didn't
> even get a bare acknowledgement of my complaint.


I guess your complaint was not helpfull to the special interest groups standing
behind The Economist.....