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The Sudan today

01.03.04, 20:16
czy jest nadzieja dla dzisiejszego Sudanu?
jakie uwazasz, chaladia, powinny tam nastapic zmiany, zeby miec jakakolwiek
nadzieje na przyszlosc?

Sudan forces 'attacking refugees'

Refugees fleeing fighting in Sudan say government forces are attacking them
to get information on rebels.
Some of the 25,000 refugees who fled the conflict two weeks ago told the BBC
that militiamen and government forces drove them from their homes.

About 600,000 people have fled from Darfur, western Sudan into Chad during a
year of intense fighting.

Rebels accuse the Arab-dominated government of ignoring the black African
inhabitants of Darfur.

The BBC's Grant Ferrett in Chad's capital Ndjamena says the testimonies
flatly contradict the Sudanese government announcement earlier this month
that peace and security had been restored after a year of fighting.

'Refugees unsafe'

Refugees close to the town of Adre - some of whom arrived only at the
weekend - say militia accompanied by uniformed government forces were
involved in the latest attacks.


"I came yesterday from my village because the Arab militia attacked us, stole
our cattle, money and everything else. Some of them came by military
helicopter, some came on horses. Some of them were in government uniforms"
Sherif Ahmed said.
The militiamen demanded information about the rebels who have been fighting
the Sudanese government.

Our correspondent says the Sudanese refugees are not completely safe, even
once they have crossed the dry river bed which marks the border with Chad.

Alphonse Malanda, who heads the Chad mission of UNHCR, the UN refugee agency,
says it is simply not safe enough to follow the Sudanese government's advice
to encourage the refugees to go back home.


Story from BBC NEWS:
news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/africa/3523619.stm
Published: 2004/03/01 18:20:28 GMT

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    • chaladia Re: The Sudan today 02.03.04, 13:43
      Witaj!

      Nigdy nie należy tracić nadziei, zwłaszcza jeśli chodzi o duże państwo, a nie
      pojedynczego człowieka. Osobiście dziwię się, że do dziś jakaś siła zewnętrzna
      nie zrobiła tam porządku – pomimo ewidentnego wspierania terroryzmu światowego
      przez rząd w Chartumie, pomimo ostentacyjnego popierania przez Sudan Saddama
      Hussajna w czasie inwazji na Kuwejt, na koniec, pomimo ogromnych (a i tak wciąż
      słabo zbadanych, zapewne jest tego dużo więcej) zasobów naturalnych na
      południu.

      Myślę, że w końcu ktoś wpadnie jednak na taki pomysł, że to się opłaci i
      agresorowi, i tej nieszczęsnej ludności wplątanej w bezsensowną wojnę i
      wkroczy, wytłucze co agresywniejszych po obu stronach, wojsko i lokalne milicje
      pośle do domu. Wtedy wystarczy otworzyć Sudan dla inwestycji kapitału
      światowego. Najlepiej by było, gdyby tym peace-makerem był Egipt. Dożo gorzej,
      gdyby to była Libia. Reszta sąsiadów się nie nadaje.

      Taki model był już w historii ćwiczony, nazywał się „Anglo-Egyptian Soudan” i
      bardzo dobrze funkcjonował. W Chartumie montowano nawet Land-Rovery na całą
      Afrykę przy udziale elementów wytwarzanych lokalnie gdzieś ok. 20%.
      • erwas no, i co dalej 28.05.04, 05:47
        piszesz, chaladia, o inwestycji kapitalu swiatowego.
        caly Sudan czeka na swojego Balcerowicza? dosyc jest chyba tam Lepperow, zeby
        to uniecywistniec. w obecnej sytuacji interwencja zbrojna z zewnatrz Sudanu
        jest niemozliwa (no, na razie), a w wewnatrz dzialaja te same czynniki, ktore
        byly odpowiedzialne za ostatne dwadziescia+ lat horroru. szaria na polnocy
        liberana demokracja na poludniu? hm.
        bogactwa naturalne poludnia dla tubylcow poludnia? watpie.
        zamkniety front na poludniu = dopiero poczatek horroru w Darfur.
        no, pisze pesymistycznie, bo swiat wyglada raczej okropnie ostatnio. czy Egipt
        stac na cokolwiek? moze nawet nie byloby tak zle (dla Sudanczykow) gdyby nawet
        nowo rehabilitowana Libia...?
        zalaczam fragmanty z reportarzu w BBC:
        newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3752693.stm

        Joy at historic Sudan peace deal

        Scenes of jubilation greeted the signing in Kenya

        There has been a warm welcome for Sudan's peace deal paving the way for an end
        to Africa's longest-running war.
        But concerns are being raised that there will be no peace until a separate
        conflict in the Darfur region is ended.

        Joy and relief met the signing of key deals ending months of wrangling between
        the Islamic government and Christian and animist rebels.

        An estimated two million people have died in the war, which erupted between the
        north and south in 1983.


        There were scenes of jubilation at the signing in Naivasha, Kenya, late on
        Wednesday evening as last-minute delays were overcome after two years of
        discussions.


        THREE PROTOCOLS

        Power-sharing, Sharia in Khartoum
        Status of Abyei
        Status of Nuba Mountains, Southern Blue Nile


        Peace balancing act
        Q&A: Peace in Sudan

        US Secretary of State, Colin Powell, praised the agreement and urged the two
        sides to work out quickly how to implement it but added a warning about the
        fighting in western Sudan.

        "Sudan will not be at peace until the problem of Darfur is resolved," he said.

        United Nations Secretary General, Kofi Annan, described the agreement as a
        major step forward and said the UN was ready to help put it into practice.

        'No more hills'

        The deal involved protocols on power-sharing and the administration of three
        disputed areas in central Sudan.

        The Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA) leader John Garang said: "We have
        reached the crest of the last hill in our tortuous ascent to the heights of
        peace. There are no more hills ahead of us, the remaining is flat ground."

        Sudan's Vice President, Ali Osman Taha, expressed equal determination to make
        the deal work.

        "It's our duty in Sudan to put these words into action with the same degree of
        determination to make peace," he said.

        A major rally is being held in Khartoum later on Thursday.

        The framework brings together the mainly Muslim Arab government of the north
        with the black African Christian and animist rebels of the south.

        Hundreds of Sudanese and Kenyan officials and foreign diplomats, including US
        Acting Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Charles Snyder, were
        kept waiting for several hours as the signing ceremony in the Kenyan lakeside
        resort of Naivasha was delayed for several hours.

        Talks had stalled on how power would be shared in a transitional
        administration; on whether the Sudanese capital, Khartoum, would be governed
        under Islamic law; and how Abyei, the Nuba Mountains and Southern Blue Nile
        regions would be administered.

        In the end, it was agreed that the north would have 70% of jobs in the central
        government, with 30% filled by southerners.

        In the three disputed regions, the government will have 55% of the positions
        and the rebels 45%.

        The two sides have already established that the south should be autonomous for
        six years, culminating in a referendum on the key issue of independence, with
        Sharia law remaining in the north.

        Protocols have also been signed on how to share out oil revenues, the
        establishment of separate monetary systems in the north and south, and security
        arrangements involving the two armies.

        All that remains for the two sides to work out are procedural matters to end
        the 21-year civil conflict.

        It is hoped that a final peace treaty could be signed in Washington as early as
        next month.

        The US said the deal paved the way for normal relations to be revived with
        Sudan, providing certain conditions were met.

        Darfur cloud

        But the fanfare witnessed at the signing in Kenya has not been seen across
        Sudan itself.

        Sudan will not be at peace until the problem of Darfur is resolved.

        The BBC's Alfred Taban in Khartoum says southern Sudanese were happy about the
        deal, but those in the north are more concerned about the situation in the
        troubled western Darfur region.

        "They feel the problems in Darfur are getting worse so how can they celebrate
        victory in the south," he told the Network Africa programme.

        Sudan analyst Gill Lusk says the arrival of peace in the south has enabled the
        government to switch military resources to Darfur.

        Black Africans in the region say Arab "Janjaweed" militias are chasing them
        from their homes and are working with government forces.

        Some one million people have fled since the conflict began in February 2003.

        The international monitoring group, Human Rights Watch, said the peace deal was
        a huge step forward, but came as the Sudanese government have been taking a
        terrible step backward in Darfur.

        It said Khartoum was carrying out a campaign of ethnic cleansing in the region,
        which raised questions about whether it was really willing to comply with the
        agreement for the south.
















        • chaladia Dalej będzie tak samo jak dotychczas 28.05.04, 20:23
          Problem wygląda tak: w Sudanie są całe pokolenia młodych ludzi (starsi
          wyginęli), którzy urodzili się w stanie wojny partyzanckiej, w takich warunkach
          się wychowali i stan taki uważają za normalny. Jedyną drogą kariery jest
          kariera partyzanta lub żołnierza, zależnie od wyznania i przynależności
          plemiennej.
          Tego nie zmieni żaden rząd ani organizacja międzynarodowa. I rząd w Chartumie
          ani myśli tego zmieniać - po prostu pozwala tym ludziom się mordować, bo oni to
          lubią. A że przy okazji cierpi jakaś nielicząca się garstka pacyfistycznie
          nastwaionych odmieńców, no i kobiety z dziećmi - maa'lisz.
          • pam_pa_ram_pam Re: Dalej będzie tak samo jak dotychczas 18.03.05, 08:51
            Rok mija, a oni rżną się dalej...
            Wygląda na to, że przestaną dopiero jak skończą, czyli już jak zostanie tylko
            jeden i nie będzie miał kogo zarżnąć.

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