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Brzezinski o fikcji wojny Busha w Iraku

03.07.05, 04:03
Bush’s hollow fiction of Iraq war
By Zbigniew Brzezinski
Financial Times

Published: Juy 1, 2005

Like a novelist who wishes to inject verisimilitude into his fiction, George
W. Bush, US president, began his speech on Iraq with a reference to a
historical fact all too tragically well known to his audience. The evocation
of the monstrous crime of September 11 2001 served as his introduction to the
spin that followed: that Iraq was complicit in 9/11 and thus, in effect,
attacked the US; that the US had no choice but to defend itself against
Iraq’s aggression; and, finally, that if America does not fight terrorists in
Iraq, they will swarm across the ocean to attack America.

Since fiction is not ruled by the same standards as history, Mr Bush was
under no obligation to refer to his own earlier certitude about
Iraqi “weapons of mass destruction” (or, rather, to their embarrassing
absence), or to the inept sequel of the initially successful US military
campaign; or to the fact that the occupation of Iraq is turning it into a
huge recruitment centre for terrorists. Similarly, there was no need to deal
with the perplexing fact that the Iraqi insurgency does not appear to be
in “its last throes”, or with the complex choices that the US now confronts.

But a more disturbing aspect of the speech was the absence of any serious
discussion of the wider regional security problems and their relationship to
the Iraqi conundrum. That connection poses the danger that America risks
becoming irrelevant to the Middle East – largely through Mr Bush’s own doing.
Much depends on how long the US pursues unrealistic goals in Iraq. And on
whether the US becomes seriously engaged in the Israeli-Palestinian peace
process, on how the US relationship with Iran is managed and on how the
advocacy of democracy in the Middle East is pursued.

The reality in Iraq is that 135,000 American soldiers cannot create a
stable “democracy” in a society rent by intensifying ethnic and religious
conflicts. US military commanders, contradicting Mr Bush, have publicly
stated that the insurgency is not weakening. It is useful to recall in this
regard Henry Kissinger’s wise observation (made in regard to the war in
Vietnam but pertinent here) that guerrillas are winning if they are not
losing. The longer US troops are involved in Iraq, the more victory will
remain “on the horizon” – that is, a goal that recedes as one moves towards
it.

Only the Iraqis can establish a modicum of stability in Iraq, and that can be
achieved only by Shia-Kurdish co-operation. These two communities have the
power to entice or to crush the less numerous Sunnis. Hence the immediate
goal of US policy should be to develop a dialogue with self-sufficient Shia
and Kurdish leaders about the circumstances in which they could issue a
public demand for American disengagement.

All this would be far less risky if accompanied by serious progress in the
Israeli-Palestinian peace process. That progress has to go beyond the Gaza
disengagement or a renewal of reciprocal violence is to be expected. Progress
requires US involvement and a willingness to press both parties with real
resolve and towards clear goals. Equivocation, partiality toward one side and
the temptation to evade this issue are prescriptions for continued conflict.

Similarly, US withdrawal from Iraq could be made more difficult and costly by
any escalation in US-Iranian hostility. Iran has not taken full advantage of
the opportunities for mischief but the temptation to do so would increase if
American policy towards it again conflated the issue of nuclear power with
the pursuit of “regime change”. There is little indication that the White
House is sensitive to this reality.

Democracy in the Middle East is a worthy goal but one that the people of the
region can pursue only on their own terms. Public hectoring by US officials
is likely to promote the emergence of radical populist regimes motivated by
strong anti-American (and anti-Israeli) passions.

The fictionalised account of America’s war against terror in Iraq failed to
take into account the reality that the conflict there mobilises hostility
towards the US, that the persistence of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
stimulates regional anger against America, that continued US threats
of “regime change” in Iran harden Iranian enmity towards the country and that
heavy handed advocacy of democracy poses the risk of legitimising populist
hostility toward the it. In explaining the causes of imperial failure, Arnold
Toynbee ultimately ascribed it to “suicidal statecraft”. Of course, he was
dealing with history and not fiction.

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    • felusiak1 Zbig bije piane 03.07.05, 18:41
      Juz na samym poczatku znajdujemy wierutne klamstwo.
      Nastepnie czytamy ze Rumsfeld i Bush maja racje aby zaraz potem doczytac sie, ze
      racji nie maja.
      Stracilem do Zbiga resztki szacunku za wymachiwanie siekiera z politycznych pobudek.
      • jennifer5 jestes zerem 03.07.05, 19:28
        felusiak1 napisała:

        > Juz na samym poczatku znajdujemy wierutne klamstwo.
        > Nastepnie czytamy ze Rumsfeld i Bush maja racje aby zaraz potem doczytac sie,
        z
        > e
        > racji nie maja.
        > Stracilem do Zbiga resztki szacunku za wymachiwanie siekiera z politycznych
        pob
        > udek.

        Juz Pan Brzezinkski jest ostatnim czlowiekiem ktoremu zalezy zeby
        miec 'szacunek' u takiego felusiaka, chyba kpisz, w porownaiu z panem
        Brzezinskim
        • misterpee Re: Brzezinski planowal Afganistan 04.07.05, 06:23
          na kilka lat lat prze 9/11 czyli co bylo przyczyna 9/11?
          www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm
      • kyle_broflovski Re: Zbig bije piane 04.07.05, 14:02
        pomoz znalesc to wierutne klamstwo
        • felusiak1 Re: Zbig bije piane 04.07.05, 16:49
          Brzezinski pisze na samym poczatku, ze administracja obwiniala regime Husseina
          za atak na WTC i Pentagon. Jest to wierutne klamstwo i Brzezinski doskonale o
          tym wie. Nastepnie Zbig insynuuje, ze Bush wiedzial, iz w Iraku nie ma BMR.
          Gdyby napisal to student medycyny nie mialbym pretensji. Pisal to czlowiek,
          ktory mial dostep do najtajniejszych z najtajniejszych informacji, czlowiek,
          ktory doskonale wie, ze wywiad to nie nauka scisla.

          Zbigniew Brzezinski, The Washington Post, 8-18-02

          * The US may have to go to war to oust Saddam Hussein because of the
          potential nexus between conspiratorial terrorism and the weapons of mass
          destruction that Hussein is said to be producing.

          * The focus of the U.S. actions must be on weapons of mass destruction, not
          on Saddam Hussein personally. The case for military intervention in order to
          address the threat of Iraqi WMD should address why deterrence no longer suffices.

          * The US should formulate a tight inspection plan; its European allies would
          find it difficult not to go along, while Iraq's outright refusal or efforts to
          sabotage the process would provide a highly legitimate casus belli for military
          action.
          =======================
          * I find it appalling that when we went into Iraq we did not know if they
          had weapons of mass destruction. We thought they had weapons of mass destruction
          based largely on extrapolation.

          A jesli zadasz sobie trud przeczytania co Brzezinski napisal w 1997 w ksiazce
          " The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and its Geostrategic Imperatives "
          to zrozumiesz dlaczego Zbig jest politycznym koniunkturalista.
          • kyle_broflovski Re: Zbig bije piane 04.07.05, 17:00
            felusiak

            alez oni wszyscy gonia za koniunktura bo z tego zyja. jak to Mitterand raz
            powiedzial ze najwazniejszym dla polityka jest utrzymanie sie przy wladzy.
            uzywaja do tego sztuk iluzionerskich (takie wyciaganie kroliczkow z kapelusza).

            reszta zajme sie po powrocie z wakacji, siedze wlasnie na walizkach.
    • mirmat1 Brezniew triumfowal jak Brzezinski urzedowal 04.07.05, 06:53
      Nie jestem entuzjasta prezydenta Czyraka ale jego rada by nie tracic okazji by
      siedziec cicho idealnie stosuje sie do Brzezinskiego. Okres jego urzedowania w
      Bialym Domu za czasow prezydentury Cartera to pasmo sromotnych klesk Ameryki.
      Kraj po kraju (Etiopia, Erytrea, Mozambik, Angola, Nikaragua, Afganistan) na
      oczach Brzezinskiego wpadal pod kontrole Kremla a Zbisiu jako doradca Cartera
      nic na to nie umial wymyslec. W pewnym momencie pamietam jak ten polityczny
      pigmejek - Carter tlumaczyl Amerykanom, ze czas ich swietnosci sie skonczyl i
      nalezy negocjowac najlepsze warunki ukladu z Sowietami. Po przegranej Cartera
      zajelo Prezydentowi Reaganowi 8 lat plus dwa lata Busha seniora by ten potezny
      w oczach Carterka ZSRR zniknal z powierzchni ziemi. Zbysiu nigdy nie krytykowal
      Carterka ale nie szczedzil swoich polajanek prezydentowi Reaganowi. Dzis jego
      wypociny smiesza i bawia. On jest zerem i kazdy to w Ameryce wie.
    • merrigold dzieki sa swietny tekst Zbiga 04.07.05, 07:02
      • misterpee Re: Zbigniew Brzezinski 04.07.05, 13:27
        Rzad amerykanski prowadzi polityke jako balans wszystkich sil politycznych w
        USA. Za czasow Cartera sily te byly kierowane przez rozmaite osrodki
        reprezentujace polityczne centra ktorych glownym celem byla eleminacja silnych
        narodowych tendencji i podporzadkowanie swiata ideologi sjonizmu.
        Brzezinski byl i jest wielkim mamnipulatorem strategi politycznej i jego idee
        przenikaly wiele nurtow amerykanskiej polityki od dawna az do dnia
        dzisiejszego. Kazdy kto stara sie pomniejszyc jego role jest albo slepy, albo
        wrogiem Brzezinskiego.
        • misterpee Re: Zbigniew Brzezinski - formula neoconow - zla 04.07.05, 13:35


          Zbigniew Brzezinski: "The Neo-Conservative Formula Doesn't Work"
          By Marie-Laure Germon
          Le Figaro

          Monday 18 October 2004

          An interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Advisor to
          Jimmy Carter in the White House from 1977 to 1981 and today an expert at the
          Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington. A great
          foreign policy strategist, he is credited with the success of the first Camp
          David summit. He is the author of several works, including Le Grand Echiquier
          (Bayard) [The Big Chessboard] and Le Vrai Choix: l'Amérique et le reste du
          monde (Odile Jacob) [The Real Choice: America and the Rest of the World], in
          which he presents a critical vision of today's global stakes and the role of
          the United States and pleads for a reinforcement of the Transatlantic
          Partnership.
          Le Figaro - How do you judge George W. Bush's first term presidential
          record?

          Zbigniew Brzezinski -The Bush Administration has not kept its promises, as
          much on the domestic as the foreign policy front. Domestically, Bush committed
          himself to elaborating a compassionate social policy. On the diplomatic front,
          he promised to reinforce alliances with foreign powers in order to improve
          international cooperation so as to make it more efficient and effective. I do
          not believe that Bush has fulfilled either of these fundamental commitments. On
          the contrary, the Administration has chosen domestic policies that benefit
          those who are already the best provided for and has not troubled itself at all
          about the fate of the most destitute. With regard to foreign policy, the United
          States has chosen a unilateral policy that has only become more radicalized
          since the September 11 attacks.

          Do you think that Senator Kerry's election to the White House could
          substantially modify the American diplomatic approach?

          I am convinced that it could. If George W. Bush were reelected, he would
          make use of this new popular mandate to prolong the action to which he has
          committed the whole country, and do it bringing a new level of attention to the
          Middle East and Iran. If, on the other hand, Kerry wins the White House, there
          is little doubt that he will take allied countries' opinion more into account,
          particularly that of Europe - which must contribute to resolution of the crises
          shaking the planet, including the Israeli-Palestinian problem.

          You've written in Le Grand Echiquier that Europe was having difficulty
          finding its place in the new world order...

          There is no doubt but that Europe constitutes an essential economic and
          cultural entity in the heart of the contemporary world. That said, the Union at
          present is still far from representing an adequate political and a fortiori
          military power. This lack considerably limits its margin of maneuver, as well
          as its influence on the international scene, and prevents it from fulfilling
          the role that could, however, be its own.

          Could the Union's recent enlargement to 25 countries change the balance?

          An effort as substantial as it is fundamental must be agreed upon with
          regard to military matters for Europe to constitute a defense worthy of the
          name. And that effort rests on one of the most crucial, critical, and simple of
          criteria: money. If Europe is not prepared to invest considerable amounts in
          the military, it is to be feared that this dissuasive and defensive force will
          never see the light of day. In the present state of affairs, not a single
          member country, unfortunately, seems ready to meet this financial requirement,
          the keystone to growth in Europe's power on the international scene.

          Are you saying that the United States is bound to maintain its hegemonic
          status?

          The whole world is confronted with a crisis of unprecedented scope. This
          vast portion of the world stretching from Russia's southern borders to the
          Indian Ocean and Suez to Sinkiang is crisscrossed with tremendous political
          tensions. This territory describes an ideological fault line that opposes it,
          not only to the United States, but to the whole Western world, and I believe
          that the most adequate response to the crisis this fault line imposes can only
          come from the United States in the first place and also from Europe. In fact,
          as the Iraq crisis demonstrates, America alone cannot settle all these
          conflicts.

          So you give credence to Samuel Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations"
          theory...

          I don't believe in it, but I do fear that we are running a great risk of
          seeing this dark prophecy realized. The only way to avoid this deadly outcome
          is to improve the cooperation between the United States and Europe. That's why
          I maintain and repeat that the Union's military inadequacies are key to the
          global dilemma. The EU's critical attitude towards the American decision to
          declare the war on Iraq has proved itself partially justified to the extent
          that the United States has proven to have managed the crisis badly. However
          criticism alone cannot constitute a valid position, unless it is accompanied by
          an alternative option. If Europe wants to really be able to influence the
          United States, it must be willing and able to fully participate in the
          conception and implementation of an effective plan for the resolution of the
          crisis in Iraq.

          As far as the Neo-Conservatives are concerned, democracy must be exported
          to the world to guarantee peace. What do you say to that?

          Neo-Conservative ideology goes a lot further than that! Its theoreticians,
          like its practitioners, never imagined for a moment that democracy could be
          established in a country like a deus ex machina. They believe in the will to
          action, even to the point of recourse to force to achieve their ends. This
          conception singularly complicates things and experience has demonstrated its
          limits in the Middle East. The Neo-Conservative formula doesn't work.

          You participated in the Israeli-Palestinian-Egyptian 1978 discussions: do
          you think peace in the Middle East depends on American power and arbitration?

          The way to resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian crisis necessarily goes
          through the United States. The Israelis and the Palestinians obviously cannot
          resolve the problem by themselves; such is the bitterness between the two
          peoples, mutual suffering and hatred having accumulated the last few years to
          the point of no return. Only, once again, if the United States publicly states
          the core principles and general outline of a peace plan, it must associate
          Europe to this effort. It is equally indispensable for Europe to agree to
          assume some of the financial and military costs of a formula that will of
          necessity be imposed from the outside on the two peoples. The animosity between
          Israelis and Palestinians is so great that it seems impossible that they should
          devise a peace agreement that does not heavily disadvantage one side or the
          other among themselves, without the intervention of foreign powers.

          So you share Madeleine Albright's idea of the United States as
          the "indispensable country"?

          Is it possible to imagine global security in which the United States does
          not play a predominant role? What problems will the new United States President
          have to address as priorities? The next White House resident will be confronted
          with escalation of the budgetary crisis on the national front and an
          intensification of hostility against the United States on the international
          front.


          • zodiak72 Re: Zbigniew Brzezinski - pasmo klęsk 04.07.05, 13:43
            Do pasma jego politycznych klęsk, wymienionych wcześniej, dodam objecie wladzy w Iranie przez Chomeiniego i dramat amerykanskich zakladników w ambasadzie w Teheranie. Co zresztą przyczynilo sie do klęski wyborczej Cartera i zmiany sternika w USA na aktora z Kalifornii R.R.
            • misterpee Re: Iran- pasmo kretactw i podboju 04.07.05, 16:02
              obalenie szacha mialo na celu stworzenie seri konfliktow na bliskim wschodzie.
              Najpierw wojan z Irakiem, podpuszczono Saddama do tej niszczacej wojny, potem
              przyszedl Kuwejt rowniez za cicha aprobata Washingtonu, desert storm i wlasnie
              jestesmy na kolejnym etapie tej doskonale planowanej strategi tworzenia nowego
              imperium od Nilu az do Teheranu, jak zapowiedziane bylo w ideologicznych
              pismach. Brzezinski mogl byc wykonawca tego programu. Upadek Szacha byl
              przeciwny interesom Ameryki, ale rowniez doskonalym sposobem do rozpoczecia
              ingerencji w tym rejonie i na swiecie.
              • wujcio44 Re: Iran- pasmo kretactw i podboju 04.07.05, 16:42
                misterpee napisała:

                > obalenie szacha mialo na celu stworzenie seri konfliktow na bliskim wschodzie.
                > Najpierw wojan z Irakiem, podpuszczono Saddama do tej niszczacej wojny, potem
                > przyszedl Kuwejt rowniez za cicha aprobata Washingtonu, desert storm i wlasnie
                > jestesmy na kolejnym etapie tej doskonale planowanej strategi tworzenia nowego
                > imperium od Nilu az do Teheranu, jak zapowiedziane bylo w ideologicznych
                > pismach. Brzezinski mogl byc wykonawca tego programu. Upadek Szacha byl
                > przeciwny interesom Ameryki, ale rowniez doskonalym sposobem do rozpoczecia
                > ingerencji w tym rejonie i na swiecie.

                Zasikaniec jest niezłym oszołomem.
                • misterpee Re: Iran- otrzymuje pociski do lodzi podw. z Rosj 05.07.05, 00:56
                  www.kommersant.com/page.asp?id=588627
                • misterpee Re: 4 lipca - podsumowanie 05.07.05, 00:59
                  civillibertarian.blogspot.com/2005/07/harvest-of-pain-and-sorrow.html
                  • felusiak1 Re: 4 lipca - podsumowanie 05.07.05, 01:02
                    Thomas Paine's Corner is a forum for those dedicated to the affirmation,
                    defense, and pursuit of civil liberties, social justice, humanity, and
                    intellectual freedom.
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