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In order to believe

22.11.05, 04:13
Zeby uwierzyc iz bush wygral wybory w 2004 roku legalnie, rowniez trzeba
wierzyc w to co nastepuje ponizej:

1) A big turnout and a highly energized and motivated electorate favored the
GOP instead of the Democrats for the first time in history.2

2) Even though first-time voters, lapsed voters (those who didn’t vote in
2000), and undecideds went for John Kerry by big margins, and Bush lost
people who voted for him in the cliffhanger 2000 election, Bush still
received a 3.4 million vote surplus nationally.3

3) The fact that Bush far exceeded the 85% of registered Florida Republicans’
votes that he got in 2000, receiving in 2004 more than 100% of the registered
Republican votes in 47 out of 67 Florida counties, 200% of registered
Republicans in 15 counties, and over 300% of registered Republicans in 4
counties, merely shows Floridians’ enthusiasm for Bush. He managed to do this
despite the fact that his share of the crossover votes by registered
Democrats in Florida did not increase over 2000 and he lost ground among
registered Independents, dropping 15 points.4

4) The fact that Bush got more votes than registered voters, and the fact
that by stark contrast participation rates in many Democratic strongholds in
Ohio and Florida fell to as low as less than 8%, do not indicate a rigged
election.5

5) Bush won re-election despite approval ratings below 50% - the first time
in history this has happened. Harry Truman has been cited as having also done
this, but Truman’s polling numbers were trailing so much behind his
challenger, Thomas Dewey, pollsters stopped surveying two months before the
1948 elections, thus missing the late surge of support for Truman. Unlike
Truman, Bush’s support was clearly eroding on the eve of the election.6

6) Harris' and Zogby’s last-minute polling indicating a Kerry victory was
wrong (even though Harris and Zogby were exactly on the mark in their 2000
election final polls).7

7) The “challenger rule” - an incumbent’s final results won’t be better than
his final polling - was wrong;8

8) On election day the early-day voters picked up by early exit polls
(showing Kerry with a wide lead) were heavily Democratic instead of the
traditional pattern of early voters being mainly Republican.

9) The fact that Bush “won” Ohio by 51-48%, but this was not matched by the
court-supervised hand count of the 147,400 absentee and provisional ballots
in which Kerry received 54.46% of the vote doesn’t cast any suspicion upon
the official tally.9

10) Florida computer programmer Clinton Curtis (a life-long registered
Republican) must be lying when he said in a sworn affidavit that his
employers at Yang Enterprises, Inc. (YEI) and Tom Feeney (general counsel and
lobbyist for YEI, GOP state legislator and Jeb Bush’s 1994 running mate for
Florida Lt. Governor) asked him in 2000 to create a computer program to
undetectably alter vote totals. Curtis, under the initial impression that he
was creating this software in order to forestall possible fraud, handed over
the program to his employer Mrs. Li Woan Yang, and was told: “You don’t
understand, in order to get the contract we have to hide the manipulation in
the source code. This program is needed to control the vote in south
Florida.” (Boldface in original).10

11) Diebold CEO Walden O’Dell’s declaration in a August 14, 2003 letter to
GOP fundraisers that he was "committed to helping Ohio to deliver its
electoral votes to the president next year" and the fact that Diebold is one
of the three major suppliers of the electronic voting machines in Ohio and
nationally, didn’t result in any fraud by Diebold.

12) There was no fraud in Cuyahoga County, Ohio where they admitted counting
the votes in secret before bringing them out in public to count.

13) CNN reported at 9 p.m. EST on election evening that Kerry was leading by
3 points in the national exit polls based on well over 13,000 respondents.
Several hours later at 1:36 a.m. CNN reported that the exit polls, now based
on a few hundred more - 13,531 respondents - were showing Bush leading by 2
points, a 5-point swing. In other words, a swing of 5 percentage points from
a tiny increase in the number of respondents somehow occurred despite it
being mathematically impossible.11

14) Exit polls in the November 2004 Ukrainian presidential elections, paid
for in part by the Bush administration, were right, but exit polls in the
U.S., where exit polling was invented, were very wrong.12

15) The National Election Pool’s exit polls13 were so far off that since
their inception twenty years ago, they have never been this wrong, more wrong
than statistical probability indicates is possible.

16) In every single instance where exit polls were wrong the discrepancy
favored Bush, even though statistical probability tells us that any survey
errors should show up in both directions. Half a century of polling and
centuries of mathematics must be wrong.

... zabawne, i czy jest ktos kto w to wszystko wierzy? Minal rok, poparcie
spadlo na pysk, nikt o zdrowych zmyslach juz nie twierdzi ze to co wyczynia
administracja ma jakikolwiek sens podparty bezpieczenstwem i poprawa
ekonomiczna kraju. Wiec o co w tym wszystkim idzie? Trzy punkty wyjasniaja
calosc:

1. dominacja dolara
2. kontrola zloz ropy
3. bezpieczenstwo izraela
Obserwuj wątek
    • dan34bratdany33 Re: In order to believe 22.11.05, 04:23


      1. dominacja dolara
      2. kontrola zloz ropy
      3. bezpieczenstwo izraela

      Tak,tylko ze w innym porzadku.

      1.bezpieczenstwo Izraela
      2.kontrola zluz ropy
      3.dominacja dolara(chociaz z tym to roznie bywa bo Euro jest silniejsze co ich
      przyprawia o prawdziwa panike wiec za wszelka cene chca zdestabilizowac EU
      miedzy innymi wojna w Iraku miala temu celowi posluzyc)
      • felusiak1 Jezu Chryste, zmiluj sie 22.11.05, 04:52
        Naprawde wam odbilo
        www.harrisinteractive.com/harris%5Fpoll/index.asp?PID=507
        • jennifer5 Re: Jezu Chryste, zmiluj sie 22.11.05, 08:46
          felusiak1 napisała:

          > Naprawde wam odbilo

          Jak to bylo felusiak, pamietasz jeszcze? ..."zbawieni ci co nie widzieli a
          uwierzyli".

          ps: dzisiaj trudno doprawdy jest nie widziec, ale jak widac, sa tacy co nie
          widza,... wiec?
          • felusiak1 Re: Jezu Chryste, zmiluj sie 22.11.05, 13:10
            W punkcie 6 tego tragicznie infantylnego wypotu doktora Loo czytamy:
            6) Harris' and Zogby’s last-minute polling indicating a Kerry victory was
            wrong (even though Harris and Zogby were exactly on the mark in their 2000
            election final polls).
            Z tym, ze i Harris i Zogby dawali zwyciestwo Bushowi.
            Harris 49:48 a Zogby 48:47. Jedynie Fox i Marist dawali zwyciestwo Kerry'emu.
            Zatem punkt 6 wypotu doktora Loo zosta obalony.
            Punkt 12 dotyczy Cuyahoga County. Doktor Loo zarzuca oszustwo. Zatem kto kogo
            oszukal skoro w Cuyahoga County caly election board zlozony jest wylacznie z
            demokratow a Kerry wygral tam 67% do 33%. Clinton w 1996 uzyskal tam 60% glosow
            a Gore w 2000 niespelna 63%. Porownujac rok 2004 z 2000 na Kerry'ego glosowalo w
            Cuyahoga County o 88 tys wiecej wyborcow co stanowi wzrost o 24% podczas gdy na
            Busha o 29 tysiecy wiecej co daje wzrost o 15%.
            Punkt 12 wlasnie zostal obalony.
            Punkt 11 i 13 do 16 sa niedorzeczne.
            Szczegolnie punkt 11 zarzucajacy Diboldowi oszustwa. Ciekawe jak to sie stalo,
            ze te maszyny oszukuja jedynie wtedy gdy wygrywa republikanin a nigdy kiedy
            wygrywa demokrata. W ostatnich wyborach niemal wszedzie wygrali demokraci
            korzystajac z tych samych maszyn. Ciekawe, naprawde ciekawe.
            No i ten Kennedy z EO 11110.
            • jennifer5 klawiatura 22.11.05, 16:28
              felusiak1 napisała:

              > Szczegolnie punkt 11 zarzucajacy Diboldowi oszustwa. Ciekawe jak to sie stalo,
              > ze te maszyny oszukuja jedynie wtedy gdy wygrywa republikanin a nigdy kiedy
              > wygrywa demokrata. W ostatnich wyborach niemal wszedzie wygrali demokraci
              > korzystajac z tych samych maszyn. Ciekawe, naprawde ciekawe.

              felusiak umiesz poslugiwac sie klawiatura, przynajmniej tyle. Czy doszlo do
              ciebie cos takiego ja 'oprogramowanie'? Wiesz co to jest? Komputer, to tylko
              maszyna, zrobi tak jak sie go zaprogramuje, tak jak ty, felusiak.
              • felusiak1 Re: klawiatura 22.11.05, 18:18
                very good. to mowisz, ze ten sam program preferowal Busha a teraz preferuje
                demokratow? A w Indianie preferowal i Busha i demokratow jednoczesnie.
                Przestan dziewczyno prawic dyrdymaly. A pan "profesor" powinien wymazac PhD
                przy swoim nazwisku gdyz argumentacja zawarta w jego wypocie jest pozalowania
                godna nowomowa i ktos moze zaczac podejrzewac, ze tytul kupil za pieniadze.
                • jennifer5 Re: klawiatura 22.11.05, 18:42
                  felusiak1 napisała:

                  > very good. to mowisz, ze ten sam program preferowal Busha a teraz preferuje
                  > demokratow? A w Indianie preferowal i Busha i demokratow jednoczesnie.

                  program nikogo nie preferowal, program jest poprostu program,... felusiak. Czy
                  ty rozumiesz ta roznice?
                  • felusiak1 Re: klawiatura 22.11.05, 19:27
                    W Ohio tylko w dwoch powiatach uzyto maszyn Diebolda.
                    W powiecie Lucas wygral Kerry 60 do 39, a w powiecie Hardin wygral Bush 63:36.
                    Na Kerry'ego w powiecie Lucas padlo 132715 glosow a na Busha w powiecie Hardin
                    padlo 8441 glosow.
                    Cos mi sie wydaje, ze Diebold slabo zaprogramowal.
    • felusiak1 I ostatni cios. 22.11.05, 20:51
      W Ohio w 7 powiatach uzyto touch-screen (2 Diebold i 5 ES&S), maszyn gdzie
      glosujacy dotyka ekranu dokonujac wyboru. Te maszyny nie wydaja pokwitowan
      i nie zapisuja glosow kazdego wyborcy na papierze. Jedyne potwierdzenie znajduje
      sie na twardym dysku. jenifer twierdzi, ze wlasnie uzycie tego typu sprzetu
      zaprogramowanego w specjalny sposob dalo zwyciestwo Bushowi.
      Jest to o tyle ciekawa teza, ze w tych siedmiu powiatach Kerry zdobyl niemal 452
      tys glosow a Bush nieco ponad 406 tys. Natomiast w powiatach gdzie glosowano na
      papierze Bush zdobyl 2,39 mln glosow a Kerry 2,21 mln glosow.
      A zatem teza, ze elektronika oszukala Kerry'ego jest bledna. W takim razie
      oszustw dokonano na papierze, Tylko z pomoca jakiego oprogramowania?
      • jennifer5 Re: I ostatni cios,... jestes boxer...? 22.11.05, 20:58
        felusiak1 napisała:

        > A zatem teza, ze elektronika oszukala Kerry'ego jest bledna. W takim razie
        > oszustw dokonano na papierze, Tylko z pomoca jakiego oprogramowania?

        ---

        felusiak ja sie z toba nie sprzeczam, ja tylko twierdze ze nalezysz do tych co
        wierza w to co nastepuje ponizej:

        1) A big turnout and a highly energized and motivated electorate favored the
        GOP instead of the Democrats for the first time in history.2

        2) Even though first-time voters, lapsed voters (those who didn’t vote in
        2000), and undecideds went for John Kerry by big margins, and Bush lost
        people who voted for him in the cliffhanger 2000 election, Bush still
        received a 3.4 million vote surplus nationally.3

        3) The fact that Bush far exceeded the 85% of registered Florida Republicans’
        votes that he got in 2000, receiving in 2004 more than 100% of the registered
        Republican votes in 47 out of 67 Florida counties, 200% of registered
        Republicans in 15 counties, and over 300% of registered Republicans in 4
        counties, merely shows Floridians’ enthusiasm for Bush. He managed to do this
        despite the fact that his share of the crossover votes by registered
        Democrats in Florida did not increase over 2000 and he lost ground among
        registered Independents, dropping 15 points.4

        4) The fact that Bush got more votes than registered voters, and the fact
        that by stark contrast participation rates in many Democratic strongholds in
        Ohio and Florida fell to as low as less than 8%, do not indicate a rigged
        election.5

        5) Bush won re-election despite approval ratings below 50% - the first time
        in history this has happened. Harry Truman has been cited as having also done
        this, but Truman’s polling numbers were trailing so much behind his
        challenger, Thomas Dewey, pollsters stopped surveying two months before the
        1948 elections, thus missing the late surge of support for Truman. Unlike
        Truman, Bush’s support was clearly eroding on the eve of the election.6

        6) Harris' and Zogby’s last-minute polling indicating a Kerry victory was
        wrong (even though Harris and Zogby were exactly on the mark in their 2000
        election final polls).7

        7) The “challenger rule” - an incumbent’s final results won’t be better than
        his final polling - was wrong;8

        8) On election day the early-day voters picked up by early exit polls
        (showing Kerry with a wide lead) were heavily Democratic instead of the
        traditional pattern of early voters being mainly Republican.

        9) The fact that Bush “won” Ohio by 51-48%, but this was not matched by the
        court-supervised hand count of the 147,400 absentee and provisional ballots
        in which Kerry received 54.46% of the vote doesn’t cast any suspicion upon
        the official tally.9

        10) Florida computer programmer Clinton Curtis (a life-long registered
        Republican) must be lying when he said in a sworn affidavit that his
        employers at Yang Enterprises, Inc. (YEI) and Tom Feeney (general counsel and
        lobbyist for YEI, GOP state legislator and Jeb Bush’s 1994 running mate for
        Florida Lt. Governor) asked him in 2000 to create a computer program to
        undetectably alter vote totals. Curtis, under the initial impression that he
        was creating this software in order to forestall possible fraud, handed over
        the program to his employer Mrs. Li Woan Yang, and was told: “You don’t
        understand, in order to get the contract we have to hide the manipulation in
        the source code. This program is needed to control the vote in south
        Florida.” (Boldface in original).10

        11) Diebold CEO Walden O’Dell’s declaration in a August 14, 2003 letter to
        GOP fundraisers that he was "committed to helping Ohio to deliver its
        electoral votes to the president next year" and the fact that Diebold is one
        of the three major suppliers of the electronic voting machines in Ohio and
        nationally, didn’t result in any fraud by Diebold.

        12) There was no fraud in Cuyahoga County, Ohio where they admitted counting
        the votes in secret before bringing them out in public to count.

        13) CNN reported at 9 p.m. EST on election evening that Kerry was leading by
        3 points in the national exit polls based on well over 13,000 respondents.
        Several hours later at 1:36 a.m. CNN reported that the exit polls, now based
        on a few hundred more - 13,531 respondents - were showing Bush leading by 2
        points, a 5-point swing. In other words, a swing of 5 percentage points from
        a tiny increase in the number of respondents somehow occurred despite it
        being mathematically impossible.11

        14) Exit polls in the November 2004 Ukrainian presidential elections, paid
        for in part by the Bush administration, were right, but exit polls in the
        U.S., where exit polling was invented, were very wrong.12

        15) The National Election Pool’s exit polls13 were so far off that since
        their inception twenty years ago, they have never been this wrong, more wrong
        than statistical probability indicates is possible.

        16) In every single instance where exit polls were wrong the discrepancy
        favored Bush, even though statistical probability tells us that any survey
        errors should show up in both directions. Half a century of polling and
        centuries of mathematics must be wrong.

        ---

        to wszystko chlopcze.
        • felusiak1 Re: I ostatni cios,... jestes boxer...? 22.11.05, 21:14
          Wstydz sie dziewczyno. Powtarzasz te same dyrdymaly co na poczatku.
          Obalilem bez trudu ten caly wywod pseudonaukowca.
          • jennifer5 Re: I ostatni cios,... jestes boxer...? 22.11.05, 22:50
            felusiak1 napisała:

            > Wstydz sie dziewczyno. Powtarzasz te same dyrdymaly co na poczatku.
            > Obalilem bez trudu ten caly wywod pseudonaukowca.

            Nie obaliels tylko sam sobie cos z przekonaniem udowadniasz. Nie bede sie z
            toba 'boxowac' poniewaz mam wazniejsze sprawy. Przytoczylam ci pare zdan z
            nadzieja ze cos zrozumiesz ale jak widac jestes bardzo oporny i odporny na
            zrozumienie. Tak wiec obalaj dalej i lej ile popadnie.

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