iamhotep Re: PNAC ucieka 05.03.06, 19:23 Bill Kristol said this morning on Fox that regardless of whether or not many conservatives agree with Bush’s policies, his administration is too incompetent in the execution of government to carry them out. Kristol also admitted that he noticed the sun comes up almost every day. "I think it’s become in people’s minds an emblem of the administration that just isn’t as serious about the competent execution of the functions of government as it should be. And even — I’m struck talking to conservatives and Republicans — they agree with the president on basic political philosophy, the they agree with his basic policy agenda, but they are worried that they just don’t seem to be able to execute as well as they should be." It took Kristol six months after Katrina and nearly three years of a botched occupation of Iraq to notice this, not to mention the fiasco that is the Medicare Part D program. I guess little Billy wasn’t paying attention when John Dilulio correctly diagnosed this over three years ago with the “Mayberry Machiavellis” line. Never let it be said that little Billy is the sharpest tool in Ma Kristol's shed. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
felusiak1 I can't take it at a face value 05.03.06, 21:03 I have a suspition you twisted his words and disconnected them from the context. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
iamhotep Re: I can't take it at a face value 05.03.06, 21:49 So it looks like it's getting increasingly difficult for Bush followers like yourelf to shift the blame for disastrous war project onto "liberals" when so many conservatives (Kristl, Will, Buckley, Bennett) are declaring the whole thing to be a smashing defeat? Obviously, that won’t stop you from trying – facts never do – but these defections and heresies will make doing so much more difficult. P.S. Oh, no here goes another conservative, National Review’s John Derbyshire in his post; "Well, I'm with Bill Buckley and George Will. This pig's ear is never going to be made into a silk purse, not by any methods or expenditures the American people are willing to countenance. The only questions worth asking about Iraq at this point are: How does GWB get out of this with the least damage to US interests, and to his party's future prospects? I wish I had some answers." corner.nationalreview.com/06_02_26_corner-archive.asp#091471 Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
felusiak1 Re: I can't take it at a face value 05.03.06, 23:42 You've gotta be kidding. It is you who politicize everything day in day out. Your guys voted for the war only to abandon the ship when the deck got a little to hot from Dean's rants. facts never do? Get real. They never do for you. By the way I don't follow Bush and I don't write flowery pieces about the war. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
iamhotep Re: I can't take it at a face value 06.03.06, 19:40 No, felusiak, it isn't me that does the politicizing. I simply can't for, in case you hadn't heard, my side DOES NOT RUN ANYTHING ANYMORE. Strategic and relentless poisoning of the public well (pliticizing) is done by Republican Ruch Limbaugh, Republican Karl Rove, Republican Ann Coulter, Republican Michelle Malkin, The list goes on. What's with this - "Your guys voted for the war only to abandon the ship when the deck got a little to hot from Dean's rants" - bilge? From what I remeber Dean and about half of the American people, begged and pleaded and screamed for your side NOT TO INVADE IRAQ, or if we were stuck trusting the good intentions of bad people, at least for extreme caution and sober judgement to be exercised when taking the nation to war, including a rock- solid cause and exit plan. And what happened? Your Republican party went ahead and UNLEASHED A DISASTER BORN OF LIES. They made matters worse, not better, they continue to piss away our nation's blood and treasure reclessly - to the tune of how many trillions now? Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
felusiak1 Re: I can't take it at a face value 06.03.06, 20:57 Sober up. It was Dean running ahead of the pack during primaries on anti war rant. That forced Kerry to flip the script. These are your guys who voted for the war, 29 of them: Baucus (D-MT) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Breaux (D-LA) Cantwell (D-WA) Carnahan (D-MO) Carper (D-DE) Cleland (D-GA) Clinton (D-NY) Daschle (D-SD) Dodd (D-CT) Dorgan (D-ND) Edwards (D-NC) Feinstein (D-CA) Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC) Johnson (D-SD) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Landrieu (D-LA) Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) Miller (D-GA) Nelson (D-FL) Nelson (D-NE) Reid (D-NV) Rockefeller (D-WV) Schumer (D-NY) Torricelli (D-NJ) Here are the quotes *** "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 *** "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
explicit Re: I can't take it at a face value 06.03.06, 21:54 "The Buck Stops Here" ,... At my desk , my friend - It was a sinking ship from the begining , felusiak - Kristol & Co czyt. PNAC , to nie jest towarzystwo z ktorym bys poszedl na wiejska zabawe i na ktorych bys liczyl ze beda ci pilnowac plecy w razie zadymy . Szczury opuscily tonaca lajbe rok temu , dedykowalem ci post na ten temat , wspomnialem rowniez , ze trio , GW , Rove i senior maja karte w rekawie ,... Wspomnienia z przeszlosci , Baker : "Fuck'm they don't vote for you anyway" i nagonka na Bush'a after that statement - Pamietasz ? Poczekamy , zobaczymy , uklony ============================================================================== Your guys voted for the war only to abandon the ship when the deck got a little to hot from Dean's rants. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
felusiak1 Re: I can't take it at a face value 06.03.06, 22:22 split, nagonka na busha trwa od poczatku listopada 2000 a cytat "fuck'em..." pochodzi skad? Bo przyznam, ze nie pamietam. Widzisz split ja mam swoje ugruntowane przekonania niezaleznie od tego co mowi bush, kristol czy rove i rowniez zdaje sobie sprawe ze alternatywa jest clinton, begala i carville. Wobec czego wole z bushem. zawsze mowilem, ze tego typu wybor jest wyborem mniejszego zla a owo mniejsze zlo w moim przekonaniu to ta pierwsza trójka. Twoje porownanie do wiejskiej zabawy jest wysoce nieadekwatne. Politics inside the belt is a cutthroat business not a dance party. Z drugiej strony krytyka jest zawsze porzadana i sama w sobie reprezentuje wartosc obca demokratom. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
explicit Re: I can't take it at a face value 06.03.06, 23:03 Nie rznij glaba , felusiak , chodzi o kontrakt wartosci 30 milliardow dolcow (done deal) komentaz na sprzedaz AWAC's i najnowszych wtedy F15 fighters dla Saudies , ktore skutecznie zablokowala zydowska lobby ,... Baker , wtedy , sekretarz Stanu w prywatnej rozmowie z prezydentem (Bush'em) tak to okreslil i od tego momentu zaczela sie nagonka na niego w mediach ,... Analiza jak to robia w linku ,... www.aaiusa.org/wwatch_archives/081693.htm ============================================================================== cytat "fuck'em..."pochodzi skad? Bo przyznam, ze nie pamietam. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
explicit Re: I can't take it at a face value 06.03.06, 23:20 Jeszce jedno , felusiak , w tym okresie Boeing wychodzil z kryzysu , $ 30 miliardow nie jest a chump change w tej sytuacji , kupa ludzi stracila prace ,.. uklony Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś
felusiak1 Wez ty split pigulke 07.03.06, 00:14 AWACS zostaly sprzedane saudyjczykom po zatwierdzeniu przez Senat w 1981 roku. Kontrakt opiewal na 5 mld dolarow. A ten Baker to nie James a Howard. A ten Zogby blog pie_doli farmazony w szczegolnosci na temat Senatora Percy. Tego typu nowomowy w necie nie brakuje a ty zdajesz sie to kupowac w worku. Odpowiedz Link Zgłoś