Masowe groby w Iraku

[Gość: Nihil]

www.rense.com/general45/mrua.htm
> Oststnio propaganda wojenna USA trabi na wszystkie strony o masowych
grobach w Iraku.

> Podobnie jak sie to mialo z bronia 'masowej zaglady'- cassus belli
przeciwko Saddamowi, tak sie ma teraz z masowymi grobami, ktore, jak sie
okazuje sa tez...Made in America!!!


> Kiedy to sie przydarzylo Bushowi ... sklamac jednym slowem prawdy?

[Gość: jarek]

Dla twojej informacji, juz je znaleziono zaraz po wyzwoleniu ( sami Iraqieni
pokazali miejsca), ale ty w tym czasie nie miales czasu tego czytac, pisalo sie
o tym tez na tym Forum, ale ty jak zwykle uwazales, to za niegodne twojego
komentarza.

[Gość: a]

to wlasnie on sfilmowal masowe groby zolnierzy USA ( tych ktorzy nie posiadali
obywatelstwa USA) i za to zostal zabity w Iraku. Amerykanie traktuja ionaczej
swoich obywateli. Zolnierze bajemni z innych krajow nie sa objeci statystyka.
Pare dni temu amerykanie zakazali zbierania danych o ofiarach irackich. Jak
wynika z tego to nie sa ludzie. Do tego armia amerykanska jest trenowana przez
Izraelczykow w zabijaniu partyzantow czyli terrorystow.

[Gość: reuters]

Published on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 by the Guardian/UK
Israel Trains US Assassination Squads in Iraq
by Julian Borger in Washington

Israeli advisers are helping train US special forces in aggressive counter-
insurgency operations in Iraq, including the use of assassination squads
against guerrilla leaders, US intelligence and military sources said yesterday.

This is basically an assassination program...It is bonkers, insane. Here we
are - we're already being compared to Sharon in the Arab world, and we've just
confirmed it by bringing in the Israelis and setting up assassination teams.



Former senior US intelligence official
The Israeli Defense Force (IDF) has sent urban warfare specialists to Fort
Bragg in North Carolina, the home of US special forces, and according to two
sources, Israeli military "consultants" have also visited Iraq.

US forces in Iraq's Sunni triangle have already begun to use tactics that echo
Israeli operations in the occupied territories, sealing off centers of
resistance with razor wire and razing buildings from where attacks have been
launched against US troops.

But the secret war in Iraq is about to get much tougher, in the hope of
suppressing the Ba'athist-led insurgency ahead of next November's presidential
elections.

US special forces teams are already behind the lines inside Syria attempting to
kill foreign jihadists before they cross the border, and a group focused on
the "neutralization" of guerrilla leaders is being set up, according to sources
familiar with the operations.

"This is basically an assassination program. That is what is being
conceptualized here. This is a hunter-killer team," said a former senior US
intelligence official, who added that he feared the new tactics and enhanced
cooperation with Israel would only inflame a volatile situation in the Middle
East.

"It is bonkers, insane. Here we are - we're already being compared to Sharon in
the Arab world, and we've just confirmed it by bringing in the Israelis and
setting up assassination teams."





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"They are being trained by Israelis in Fort Bragg," a well-informed
intelligence source in Washington said.

"Some Israelis went to Iraq as well, not to do training, but for providing
consultations."

The consultants' visit to Iraq was confirmed by another US source who was in
contact with American officials there.

The Pentagon did not return calls seeking comment, but a military planner,
Brigadier General Michael Vane, mentioned the cooperation with Israel in a
letter to Army magazine in July about the Iraq counter-insurgency campaign.

"We recently traveled to Israel to glean lessons learned from their
counterterrorist operations in urban areas," wrote General Vane, deputy chief
of staff at the army's training and doctrine command.

An Israeli official said the IDF regularly shared its experience in the West
Bank and Gaza with the US armed forces, but said he could not comment about
cooperation in Iraq.

"When we do activities, the US military attaches in Tel Aviv are interested. I
assume it's the same as the British. That's the way allies work. The special
forces come to our people and say, do debrief on an operation we have done,"
the official said.

"Does it affect Iraq? It's not in our interest or the American interest or in
anyone's interest to go into that. It would just fit in with jihadist
prejudices."

Colonel Ralph Peters, a former army intelligence officer and a critic of
Pentagon policy in Iraq, said yesterday there was nothing wrong with learning
lessons wherever possible.

"When we turn to anyone for insights, it doesn't mean we blindly accept it,"
Col Peters said. "But I think what you're seeing is a new realism. The American
tendency is to try to win all the hearts and minds. In Iraq, there are just
some hearts and minds you can't win. Within the bounds of human rights, if you
do make an example of certain villages it gets the attention of the others, and
attacks have gone down in the area."

The new counter-insurgency unit made up of elite troops being put together in
the Pentagon is called Task Force 121, New Yorker magazine reported in
yesterday's edition.

One of the planners behind the offensive is a highly controversial figure,
whose role is likely to inflame Muslim opinion: Lieutenant General
William "Jerry" Boykin.

In October, there were calls for his resignation after he told a church
congregation in Oregon that the US was at war with Satan, who "wants to destroy
us as a Christian army".

"He's been promoted a rank above his abilities," he said. "Some generals are
pretty good on battlefield but are disastrous nearer the source of power."

[Gość: globalresearch]

www.globalresearch.ca
Centre for Research on Globalisation
Centre de recherche sur la mondialisation


Assassination of Reuters Cameraman, who had uncovered evidence of Mass US
Casualties in Iraq

Recipe for Terror
by Felicity Arbuthnot
Common Dreams, 20 November 2003
www.globalresearch.ca 27 November 2003
The URL of this article is: globalresearch.ca/articles/ARB311A.html


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"He also told me that he found U.S. troops covered in plastic bags in remote
desert areas and he filmed them for a TV program. We are pretty sure that the
American forces had killed Mazen knowingly to prevent him from airing his
finding."

If Tony Blair is making a list of topics to discuss with President
Bush, 'accountability' should be well near the top. The lack of it, at US
Administration level, is stunning.

"It is just not worth characterizing by numbers", said Brigadier General
Vincent Brooks, when asked how many Iraqis had died during the invasion. But
from Guantanamo Bay to America's own casualties, 'life, liberty' - yet alone
the 'pursuit of happiness' has become frighteningly endangered under the neo-
cons pulling George W's strings.

At the recent World Uranium Weapons Conference in Hamburg, Dr Doug Rokke,
former senior Pentagon advisor charged with the 1991 uranium clean up of
Kuwait, described how injured US troops are being flown 'in their hundreds, in
the dead of night' back to US bases 'throughout Europe', in order to disguise
the magnitude of casualty figures. Public photographs of coffins of the dead
have been proscribed and in stark contrast to the public honoring and grief of
the Italian nation for their nineteen soldiers and carabinieri, killed in a
suicide bombing in Nassiriyah, southern Iraq last week, the US military
shuffles its fallen as quietly as possible into their final resting place.

With the death toll of US soldiers having exceeded, in just seven months, that
of the first three years of Vietnam it is worth asking if even these figures
are the full truth. Many of those who have joined the military in Iraq, do not
hold American passports, but were, broadly, promised that they would be given
them on return, for their efforts against the 'war on terrorism'. According to
Dr Rokke, should they die, their deaths are not factored in to 'U.S.'
casualties. Further, Mazen Dana, the Award winning Reuters camera man, shot
dead by US troops whilst filming outside Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison in August -
with full permission and press accreditation from the US Authorities in
Baghdad - told his brother Nazmi, a chilling tale days before he died.

"Mazen told me by phone few days before his death that he discovered a mass
grave dug by U.S. troops to conceal the bodies of their fellow comrades killed
in Iraqi resistance attacks," Nazmi said.

"He also told me that he found U.S. troops covered in plastic bags in remote
desert areas and he filmed them for a TV program. We are pretty sure that the
American forces had killed Mazen knowingly to prevent him from airing his
finding."

"All international and local news agencies sent cables of condolences to his
family, lauding his ...... determination to uncover the truth wherever it was",
recorded veteran Middle East correspondent Awed Al Ragoub.

Truth is becoming increasingly difficult for journalists to record in Iraq.
Last week, reported the Boston Globe, thirty major news gathering outlets wrote
to the Pentagon complaining of intimidation, arrest, destruction of note books,
video tape, recorders and film. The circumstances of the death of ITN's Terry
Lloyd and disappearance of his colleagues is still obscured by the US
Administration as has been the US tank attack on the Palestine Hotel with
deaths of three journalists. Journalists' protection, under the Geneva
Convention is absolute.

Iraq is now a vast Guantanamo Bay, with the disappeared unaccounted for, which
was why Mazen Dana was filming outside Abu Ghraib. Even prisoners under Saddam,
were more accounted for. The full number of both prison camps and prisoners are
simply unknown. With the bombing of the Red Cross building in Baghdad and
resultant pull out of staff, the last shred of accountability for the detained
has been removed. The Red Cross is enshrined in the Geneva Convention as the
neutral body who can interview and account for prisoners in war, held as
hostage or in conflict zones. The tragedy of the Red Cross attack had a
coincidental convenience for a U.S. human rights time bomb.

The Geneva Convention also has emotive words regarding environmental
destruction. Viet Nam with Agent Orange, torching of villages, rapes and even
the decapitation of a baby by a US soldier to steal her necklace, has been
recently chillingly revisited by a stunning, painstaking two year investigation
by journalists at the extraordinarily committed but relatively small town
Toledo Blade newspaper.

'Will this be another Viet Nam?' has been a frequent haunting, relating to
American body bags. Maybe. But little addressed is : environmentally, it is.
Distraught reports have come out of Iraq of fauna, flora, wheat, barley,
agriculture, bushes being torched by US soldiers with, like Viet Nam, music
blaring and redolent of Palestine's olive groves, Iraq's great dates palms
being mown down. Iraq has maybe six hundred different kinds of dates, is the
worlds biggest producer. Nothing is wasted: sugar syrup is made, the stones are
polished and made into beads, the fronds become anything from brooms to
intricate, evocative bird cages. The date harvest (about now) is a vivid,
beautiful celebration; towns and cities display them in markets in their
vibrant colors: from sand and gold to brown and near vermillion, in great,
intricately woven baskets - made of the fronds. Date palms are near sacred.
Asking the way to a home, people will deliberate the location of the house and
then , invariably say: "the garden has the tallest (smallest, most twisted etc)
palm ..."

The full horror and lack of accountability is outside the scope of an article,
but was starkly outlined by an Iraqi academic - old friend, rabidly anti-
Saddam - I met recently. She told me of a beloved alter-ego, the sister she
never had, who had gone to find medication for one of her two children. The two
kids were in the back of the car and she trawled the pharmacies for the
medicine. (Hospitals are now , say Iraqi doctors, worse equipped than after the
1991 war, but under the new freedom no journalists are allowed to visit to
record.) Finally, she found what she was needing. Driving back over the 14th of
July Bridge (hugely emotive and named after another revolution against the
British) she was shot at by US troops, the car burned out and she and her
children burned to the unrecognizable. Baghdad, being a village of five million
people, her husband quickly learned what had happened and ran across the town
with friends and blankets, to cover and succor them in death. They were shot
at, as they returned repeatedly, for three days, by the troops as wife and
childrens' remains stayed in the car, before they could be collected and
interred.

"For telling you this, I await the knock at the door, any day, like all
academics do who speak out in this occupation", said my friend. Academics are
being disappeared at stunning speed in Iraq. "You know" she said quietly, her
eyes meeting mine: "many of us say we want Saddam and our country back."


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[Gość: ap]

sytuacja w tym kraju stala sie tak niebezpieczna ze UN kontempluje mozliwosc
opuszczenia Afganistanu. Podobnie Niemcy.

[Gość: ap]

U.N. May Have to Abandon Afghan Effort
(AP) - The United Nations may be forced to abandon its two-year effort to
stabilize Afghanistan because of rising violence blamed on the resurgent
Taliban, its top official here warned Friday in an interview with The
Associated Press. Lakhdar Brahimi said his team could not continue its work
unless security improves. He called for more foreign troops to halt attacks
that have killed at least 11 aid workers across the south and east since March.
More...
No Speedy

[Gość: Nihil]

> W oststnich dniach tutaj trabi sie to, jakby to bylo nowym odkryciem. Dla
odwrocenia uwagi od tego, co sie tam dzieje. Dlatego masz moj post i komentarz.

[Gość: U]

Z calym,najwyzszym szacunkiem dla tych w grobach-dlaczego mialbym byc bardziej
zaszokowany grobami w Iraku,niz tymi z Katynia,Vietnamu,Salvadoru,Syberii,
(oh,tam niema grobow.Tam wykonczeni byli wywlekani zwyczajnie,na strone).
Manipulacja dziecmi,manipulacja grobami...ulfowitz i jego swinskie stado, grabarze

[Gość: U]

Co wiecej-ci sami,ktorzy boleja nad tymi grobami planuja wlaczyc do akcji
oddzialy mordercow-Phoenix.Zapoznajcie sie z osiagnieciami tych zulikow i Tiger
Force w Wietnamie.

W Kosowie serbowie zabili coś ze dwa miliony Alban

[Gość: mefet]

...sumując dane o podobnej wiarygodności. Znaleziono niecałe 1,5 tys. ciał.