Guess, what country is the author of this article

[chickenshorts]

...talking about? (Sort of trying to debate EU thing...)

"(...)...a host of priest-ridden poverty-stricken backward nations into
democratic modernity."

I love the "Priest RIDDEB AND POVERTY STRCKEN" bit...

and then:
"A former boxer and pig farmer from the Self-Defence party who compares the
EU to Nazi invasion may win a third of ......? seats."

www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1229424,00.html


Forget 'christianity' with... dentures

[Gość: ale_madre_pytanie]

a ty durniu zgadnij gdzie ja ostatnio palilem papierosa

[chickenshorts]

Gość portalu: ale_madre_pytanie napisał(a):

> a ty durniu zgadnij gdzie ja ostatnio palilem papierosa

Well, are you a lady, sir? Lady Renata Beger, perhaps? Or just a priest?

[Gość: pg]

Mr. chicken ...good job !!! what is wrong with these people?

p.s by the way, the article was very interesting :)

[chickenshorts]

Gość portalu: pg napisał(a):
what is wrong with these people?

well, nothing wrong per se...

Look, there you are, wherevee you are,

...but... and then... you start ... talking rubbish, I mean, Hobbes was
relevant when an idea of a king/King made any sense... And so was any monogod
religion!

Do you really buy into an idea that what we (people) need in order to function
is... fear? He was OK (was he?) in...kingdom-creation's time...


> p.s by the way, the article was very interesting :)

[Gość: pg]

Dear chicken...sorry, maybe it's me...but I dont't get your point !!


Of course !! It's all about fear !! Without it, me and you would do anything we
wanted to do !!...society plays with our fears, wheather it's a fear of going
to jail, or dying a terrible death, it's still a fear. hobbes makes it clear,
no fear from a "terrible sea monster" such as society(a strong centralized
govt.) and it will be choas and anarchy !!! what else is there?

[Gość: pg]

I forgot...i am at DePaul Univ, Chicago...:)

[chickenshorts]

Gość portalu: pg napisał(a):

> I forgot...i am at DePaul Univ, Chicago...:)

Fantastic!!

... but how relevant is your A/B m :) to the debate about EU... (BTW< I find it
difficult to read "your" ... you know.

[Gość: pg]

ooo no doubt !!! I find if difficult to read it myslef !!! It's just a draft of
a "stupid" paper ...and I was hoping someone would tell me if's good...or if's
crap !!!

Chicken...really...my english is that bad? Common' I've seen much worst writing
from native speakers !!! Besides...what do you expect from a 19-year-old
college freshman !!!:)))

[erwas]

I was hoping someone would tell me if's good...or if's
> crap !!!

I hope you'll pay more attention to detailed comment than a general one. of
course it is crap. still, it is no worse than what passes for sage comment in
most media. just a draft of a stupid paper? why dwell on Hobbes?

...what do you expect from a 19-year-old
> college freshman !!!:)))

a little less gloom.
or is that stupid?
perhaps that's when gloom still rides high from adolescent hormone-storms
(that'll teach you to reveal your age on-line).
in answer to your probing I reckon that Europe is in a different phase of post-
christandom than Hobbes could ever imagine. social contract in horrendous
detail, yes (that is one reason I avoid living in Europe). an authoriterian
version of this, no (one reason I might be back soon).

[chickenshorts]

erwas napisał:
(...)... in a different phase of post-
> christandom than Hobbes could ever imagine. social contract in horrendous
> detail, yes (that is one reason I avoid living in Europe). an authoriterian
> version of this, no (one reason I might be back soon).

Welcome back, cousin!
You've been missed, you know...

[chickenshorts]

Gość portalu: pg napisał(a):

> Chicken...really...my english is that bad?

Yep!!! American, are you?

>Common' I've seen much worst writing

Have you? Much WORST?!? Don't think so...

Look, forget him, listen to Starsi Panowie o T. Hobbs'ie
Fontanna informacji, Starsi Panowie!!! Really!

> from native speakers !!! Besides...what do you expect from a 19-year-old
> college freshman !!!:)))

Yeah!
If you were a fresh pair of young tits...

[Gość: wombat]

My guess is Poland, but this is not the matter here. The big one is where the fuck did your mother dropped you chickenshit?
BTW; I'm not a supporter of the quoted gentelman but a person who believes that in order to critize something you should have a better solution to offer. What is yours? My is that the country was not the author ...or is this too much to understand being such a master of English.....

wombat; eats roots & leaves

[chickenshorts]

Gość portalu: wombat napisał(a):

> My guess is Poland, but this is not the matter here.

Why?

The big one is where the f
> uck did your mother dropped you chickenshit?

Do you mean that?

> BTW; I'm not a supporter of the quoted gentelman but a person who believes
that
> in order to critize something you should have a better solution to offer.
What
> is yours? My is that the country was not the author ...or is this too much
to
> understand being such a master of English.....
>
> wombat; eats roots & leaves

Are you a priest?

[chickenshorts]

> Gość portalu: wombat napisał(a):
>
> > My guess is Poland, but this is not the matter here.

> What
> > is yours? My is

You ought to have used posessive pronoun "mine" here and not the
adjective 'my'...




that the country was not the author ...or is this too muc
> h
> to
> > understand being such a master of English.....

I have never said, stated, pretended .... to know English better than you
do....
However, I shall go on being noisy on what I consider 'profound stupidity'&
you are beginning....

Well. you've been warned!

> > wombat; eats roots & leaves
>
> Are you a priest?

And perhaps a change of diet might help, intelligence-wise

[Gość: wacko jacko]

dear pg,
whatever chickenshorts has written is nothing more than gibberish.
Time to time he treats us with his comments, usually by pasting entire pieces
from The Guardian. I have lerned not to give a flying fuck about it. You just do
the same.

PS. Chickenshorts is an expert on English language and he'a always rite, ain't
you, chickenshorts?
Пролетарии всех стран соединяйтес!
Гуардян

[chickenshorts]

Gość portalu: wacko jacko napisał(a):

> dear pg,
> whatever chickenshorts has written is nothing more than gibberish.

Unlike whack, the man (or woman) with iron logic...
For instance, Mr Havel mentioned Sadam,,, ergo, let's invade Iraq

> Time to time he treats us with his comments, usually by pasting entire pieces
> from The Guardian. I have lerned not to give a flying fuck about it. You just
d
> o

You have learnt nothing, idiot!
> the same.
>
> PS. Chickenshorts is an expert on English language and he'a always rite, ain't
> you, chickenshorts?
> Пролетарии в&
> #1089;ех стран сое&
> #1076;иняйтес!
> Гуардян

?

[Gość: pg]

thanx wacko !!!! I think I needed that !!!!

mr. chicken...plz tell me what in the world are you talking about? Yes, I see
that you are smart and your language "ain't" bad either...but common' man...cut
the crap !!! pozdrawiam

[Gość: wacko jacko]

What the fuck are you talking about? What Havel, what Iraq? Who cares.
The life goes on with you or without you. How about the situation in Sudan right
now? What about all those prisoners around the world being tortured day in and
day out? What about the crime rate in South Africa? There are millions of people
slowly starving to death in North Korea?
You see chickenshorts I'd rather be an idiot than a snotty, touchy-feely
doofus like you.

PS. My iron logic gets under your skin, ain't it?

[chickenshorts]

Gość portalu: wacko jacko napisał(a):

> What the fuck are you talking about? What Havel, what Iraq? Who cares.
> The life goes on with you or without you.

It would 'go on' differently with different attitude...

How about the situation in Sudan righ

> t
> now?

Don't you f-ing touch Africa!!! Humanitarian is mine, r-r! You are bad and
stupid!

What about all those prisoners around the world being tortured day in and
> day out? What about the crime rate in South Africa? There are millions of
peopl
> e
> slowly starving to death in North Korea?
> You see chickenshorts I'd rather be an idiot than a snotty, touchy-feely
> doofus like you.
>
> PS. My iron logic gets under your skin, ain't it?

You mean oil prices, don't you...?

[Gość: wacko jacko]

It's one of two things. Either you do thinking with your dick or you're a
certifiable moron.

[erwas]

Either you do thinking with your dick or you're a
> certifiable moron.

wacko, this is perhaps not the greastest of forums, but some things do get
discussed, ideas exchanged, information passed on, etc.
flaming, raging insults are not a substitute for arguing a case on its merits.
look back on some of your recent posts.
over and over you substitute argument with obsene gesture. argue the case,will
you. I have seen you do it once in a while and you do appear to have that
skill. you devalue your opinions and positions with this kind of action.

[Gość: wombat]

To the resident clown-wanna be, jack of all supposedly intelligent & witty, yet master of nothing.
Dear ChickenSHIT, this should stand for your nick, as shorts are usually worn by humans not low lives as you. You warn me? And what are you going to do if I am not scared? Are you going to quote long articles from Guardian and bore me to death? Oh I know you think so highly of yourself but sadly it?s all delusion grandeur.
What if I am a priest or a nun or a brickie? Does it give you the right to poke fun at others hidden safely under your slimy rock? Do you take this rag you quote so often to be the infallible and all knowing? If so I pity you. If you have a bone to pick with some politician, or you don?t like his/her style enter the political arena and show us all what you have got?..or maybe YOU ARE SCARED? After all being hidden in some hole is safe isn?t it?
I do not give a flying f*** if you answer this or not, I do not intend to enter your sewer and swim with the likes of you. But if you want to really warn me or better scare me feel free to try. Don?t expect me to play the part.

Wombat eats roots & leaves

[chickenshorts]

Gość portalu: wombat napisał(a):

> To the resident clown-wanna be, jack of all supposedly intelligent & witty,
yet
> master of nothing.

Master of...?



> Dear ChickenSHIT, this should stand for your nick,

You are a priest!

as shorts are usually worn b
> y humans not low lives as you. You warn me? And what are you going to do if I
a
> m not scared? Are you going to quote long articles from Guardian and bore me
to
> death? Oh I know you think so highly of yourself but sadly it?s all delusion
g
> randeur.
> What if I am a priest or a nun or a brickie? Does it give you the right to
poke
> fun

Yes, it does!
It's 21!st century, sir!

at others hidden safely under your slimy rock?

Tell us more 'bout your "light".

Do you take this rag you qu
> ote so often to be the infallible and all knowing? If so I pity you. If you
hav
> e a bone to pick with some politician, or you don?t like his/her style enter
th
> e political arena and show us all what you have got?..or maybe YOU ARE
SCARED?
> After all being hidden in some hole is safe isn?t it?
> I do not give a flying f*** if you answer this or not, I do not intend to
enter
> your sewer and swim with the likes of you. But if you want to really warn me
o
> r better scare me feel free to try. Don?t expect me to play the part.
>
> Wombat eats roots & leaves

[Gość: waqcko jacko]

Mea culpa. I do get unhinged sometimes, I'm sorry.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that insults are not a substitute for arguing
the case on its merits provided there is the case with merits.

The excerpts presented by chickenshorts are not what the Guardian piece is all
about. They rather reflect his tunnel vision understanding of the world.
Today he has a problem with the christianity and the dentures.
The christianity doesn't bother me a bit and I have bridges.
The gas prices don't bother me either.
After all who really cares. The life goes on. In 10 years time you look back and
laugh.

[chickenshorts]

Gość portalu: waqcko jacko napisał(a):

> Mea culpa. I do get unhinged sometimes, I'm sorry.
>
> I wholeheartedly agree with you that insults are not a substitute for arguing
> the case on its merits provided there is the case with merits.


Wooow!!!!
>
> The excerpts presented by chickenshorts are not what the Guardian piece is all
> about. They rather reflect his tunnel vision understanding of the world.

Now, here I ' d like to take an an.... issuue.... uNDERStanda a diFFuranCe, if
not, ask erwas, & ...


> Today he has a problem with the christianity and the dentures.
> The christianity doesn't bother me a bit and I have bridges.
> The gas prices don't bother me either.
> After all who really cares. The life goes on. In 10 years time you look back
an
> d
> laugh.
>

Yeah, remember my being seriouus with you, cretin?

[chickenshorts]

chickenshorts napisał:

after a botle of Jamasen

I LIKE WACK!!!

[Gość: wacko jacko]

chikenshorts napisalo:
> Yeah, remember my being seriouus with you, cretin?

Yes, all the time. You're dead serious. Do I get under youe skin?

Debout les damnés de la terre

Debout les forçats de la faim
La raison tonne en son cratère
C'est l'éruption de la fin
Du passe faisons table rase
Foules, esclaves, debout, debout
Le monde va changer de base
Nous ne sommes rien, soyons tout

C'est la lutte finale
Groupons-nous, et demain (bis)
L'Internationale
Sera le genre humain

Il n'est pas de sauveurs suprêmes

Ni Dieu, ni César, ni tribun
Producteurs, sauvons-nous nous-mêmes
Décrétons le salut commun
Pour que le voleur rende gorge
Pour tirer l'esprit du cachot
Soufflons nous-mêmes notre forge
Battons le fer quand il est chaud

L'état comprime et la loi triche

L'impôt saigne le malheureux
Nul devoir ne s'impose au riche
Le droit du pauvre est un mot creux
C'est assez, languir en tutelle
L'égalité veut d'autres lois
Pas de droits sans devoirs dit-elle
Egaux, pas de devoirs sans droits

Hideux dans leur apothéose

Les rois de la mine et du rail
Ont-ils jamais fait autre chose
Que dévaliser le travail
Dans les coffres-forts de la bande
Ce qu'il a crée s'est fondu
En décrétant qu'on le lui rende
Le peuple ne veut que son dû.

Les rois nous saoulaient de fumées

Paix entre nous, guerre aux tyrans
Appliquons la grève aux armées
Crosse en l'air, et rompons les rangs
S'ils s'obstinent, ces cannibales
A faire de nous des héros
Ils sauront bientôt que nos balles
Sont pour nos propres généraux

Ouvriers, paysans, nous sommes

Le grand parti des travailleurs
La terre n'appartient qu'aux hommes
L'oisif ira loger ailleurs
Combien, de nos chairs se repaissent
Mais si les corbeaux, les vautours
Un de ces matins disparaissent
Le soleil brillera toujours.

Debater!!! ;-)))

[Gość: Bodzu]

Gentelmen, pleaseeeeeeee...........!!!
Don't argue here...!
Don't cast the crap to yourself...!
Is it worth offending each other...???
YOU behave like kids in sandpit...
I know that's funny to say that someone is idiot, cretin, etc...
I have a lot of fun reading this... ;-)))
But I've thought that people talking here are adults, maybe I was wrong...
I don't want to interrupt your party but I think that we can discuss (not make
quarrels)...
Maybe I am right maybe I am wrong...
Don't answer to this post ... just think before you'll try to offend someone...
Maybe that's not worth the trouble...
Maybe I am right maybe I am wrong... TIME WILL TELL!!!
Cheers!!!
;-)))

[Gość: pg]

I think I started the whole thing !!!

[Gość: Bodzu]

That's not important...
The fact is that everyone has dark side...
And when this person goes on forum...
sometimes his dark side win... ;-)
We should discuss, not fight...
That's my opinion...
Bye!!!
;-)))

[chickenshorts]

Gość portalu: Bodzu napisał(a):

> That's not important...

Well, I I di....sagree to use Your favourite.... expression. Oh, shit, Bodzu, I
certainly, share your emotional.... lll

> The fact is that everyone has dark side...

That's fuuuckinn' rubbish, unless you are wana creep!

[erwas]

> The fact is that everyone has dark side...
> And when this person goes on forum...
> sometimes his dark side win... ;-)
> We should discuss, not fight...
> That's my opinion...
> Bye!!!
> ;-)))

thanks for the advice.
(but listen Bodzu, don't forget: you're an optimist)

[Gość: Bodzu]

Sometimes I'm also realist... especially when I see such an interesting
discussion...
Now I'm starting to lose my belief in power of mankind...
When I read it I see behaviour very similar to animals that's why I wouldn't
argue even if chickenshort wrote that I was talking rubbish...
That's his opinion, mine is diffrent... ;-)))
But I won't try to convince him, I needn't do it...
That don't make me happier than I am...
I advise to think sometimes (not you but chickenshort) before he writes
something...
Because everyone has dark side what chcickenshort proves by his comments...
But now he convinced me ...
He doesn't have dark side... That's ffffffffuckin' rubbish... YEAAH, right ;-)
His side is just black... ;-)))
But I'm an optimist and believe that his second (whiter) side still exists and
he can show us in near future...
But I know that he will wrote:
You're talking rubbish... tratata......speech grass...etc. without any
arguments...
And how can I discuss with someone who will tell you:
'Talking rubbish' ???
That's the simplest way to make quarrels...
But... he has too many times to do that ???
Because I respect my time and my colleauges also...
OK That's why I finish talking rubbish what I will hear from chickenshort...
Hehehehe ;-)))
Don't Care about that ;-)))
Don't Care about anything ;-)))
That's not worth the trouble!!!
Bye!!!

[Gość: wacko jacko]

Gość portalu: pg napisał(a):

> I think I started the whole thing !!!

No you did not. It was I who named the names.
I do have the spine and a pair of balls and wherever I see a challenge I get
unhinged. It costs me nothing.
I just realised I might be a cheap person. Fuck.
Let me rewrite the whole thing.
I do have the spine and a pair of balls and wherever I see a challenge I get
unhinged. Despite a great cost to my impecable reputation I will not tolerate
what can't be tolerated. My spine and the pair of balls are not for sale.
They are priceless with an emphasis on THE balls.

[chickenshorts]

Gość portalu: wacko jacko napisał(a):

> Gość portalu: pg napisał(a):
>
> > I think I started the whole thing !!!
>
> No you did not. It was I who named the names.
> I do have the spine and a pair of balls and wherever I see a challenge I get
> unhinged. It costs me nothing.
> I just realised I might be a cheap person. Fuck.
> Let me rewrite the whole thing.
> I do have the spine and a pair of balls and wherever I see a challenge I get
> unhinged. Despite a great cost to my impecable reputation I will not tolerate
> what can't be tolerated. My spine and the pair of balls are not for sale.
> They are priceless with an emphasis on THE balls.

Being a Lady , I rather go For Balls than T...

[Gość: wacko jacko]

I had no idea you're a lady.
Therefore i should use the term "family jewels" instead of boorish, low class
BALLS. I'll improve.

[erwas]

Gość portalu: wacko jacko napisał:

> I had no idea you're a lady.

oh, God! me neither...

[chickenshorts]

Gość portalu: wacko jacko napisał(a):

Un de ces matins disparaissent
> Le soleil brillera toujours.

well, it's not quite true (I meean, science-likke)

BUT then, what the heck?!?
I like you!
But you are wrong, idiot!

[erwas]

Gość portalu: wacko jacko napisał(a):

> I do get unhinged sometimes

well yes, if you get caught in a gust of hot air, no hinge can hold.
anyway, hinges are so restricting.

> christianity doesn't bother me a bit and I have bridges.

I must have missed some posts, but this does seem like a very profound
statament. bridges: as in bridges over troubled waters?

> The gas prices don't bother me either.

then you don't drive a black SUV with tinted windows, and a 4wd pickup with
missing tailgte, muffler and body paint, and all-wheel-drive wagon which feigns
fuel economy, but secretly drips oil.

[Gość: wacko jacko]

erwas napisał:
> hinges are so restricting.
Being hinged is way much better than being bolted or welded like my friend
chick......

> as in bridges over troubled waters?
No. The bridges in my mouth.

In fact I don't drive one of the vehicles described by you. Nevertheless I do
drive a big car ( can't help it) and I factored the cost of that comfort.
So far I can afford it. At about $4 per gallon you'll see me screaming unhinged.

[chickenshorts]

Gość portalu: wacko jacko napisał(a):

> erwas napisał:
> > hinges are so restricting.
> Being hinged is way much better than being bolted or welded like my friend
> chick......

I beg yourrr.... cretitin!

[Gość: Bodzu]

Sorry... chickenshort...
That's another fight but that's not my war...
I don't want to fight with you, wacko jacko, erwas, and with anyone else...
That's wasting time...
I'll be skipping this topic...

You can say: AT LAST!!!

[chickenshorts]

Gość portalu: Bodzu napisał(a):

> Sorry... chickenshort...
> That's another fight but that's not my war...
> I don't want to fight with you, wacko jacko, erwas, and with anyone else...
> That's wasting time...
> I'll be skipping this topic...
>
> You can say: AT LAST!!!

Your Englidish getting better!, Definite!

Ain't it amazing?

[Gość: wacko jacko]

Comrade chickenshorts is the one spewing explatives and invectives.
I've been called a bad and stupid, an idiot, a cretin and a cretitin(?).
Yet, when I gave comrade chickenshorts a choice between being a dickhead and a
moron, mr. erwas took offense and reprimended me.
Dear erwas shouldn't you be a bit more balanced in your critique?
Please unload on comrade chickenshorts. I think it is in order in light of his
namecalling in the posts directed to wombat, Bodzu and pg.
Do not, I repeat, do not defend me.

Signing off.
wACKO jACKO

[chickenshorts]

Gość portalu: wacko jacko napisał(a):

> Comrade chickenshorts

Hullo!

is the one spewing explatives and invectives.

dO YOU REALLY MEAN THAT?
So, I finally managed to offend you
> I've been called a bad and stupid, an idiot, a cretin and a cretitin(?).
> Yet, when I gave comrade chickenshorts a choice between being a dickhead and a
> moron, mr. erwas took offense and reprimended me.
> Dear erwas shouldn't you be a bit more balanced in your critique?
> Please unload on comrade chickenshorts. I think it is in order in light of his
> namecalling in the posts directed to wombat, Bodzu and pg.
> Do not, I repeat, do not defend me.
>
> Signing off.
> wACKO jACKO


What have you done, erwas, you nasty man!

[erwas]

> I've been called a bad and stupid, an idiot, a cretin and a cretitin(?).

that is true. quite mild, really. especially the cretitin. just shrug it off.

> Dear erwas shouldn't you be a bit more balanced in your critique?

correct. but you have been unhinged (on and off) for years. chickenshorts has
become unhinged only recently. I felt it was my responsibility to to offer my

[erwas]

hm, what happened?

anyway, asss I was saying....

I chose to bestow upon you, my dear wacko jacko, the benefits of my infinitely
profound advice before concentrating on chickenshorts and his recently
developed "condition".

perhaps it is pramature to offer a diagnosis, but could it be that
chickenshorts is experiencing an excess of vitrium gloriosum. a passing phase,
I'm sure.

[chickenshorts]

Ain't it?

The real poignancy is... wacko defending wombat

I mean, the first one telling the world that torturing people American way
isn't a torture and the other one telling me that life begins after death & so
we ought to support Vatican...

Good way to go on... into modernity!

> chickenshorts has
become unhinged only recently. I felt it was my responsibility to to offer
my ...

So, I have...
Yep, erwas, I am getting old!

(continued)

[erwas]

chickenshorts napisał:
> The real poignancy is... wacko defending wombat

I gave up reading wombat's posts. must be a tortured adolescent, or bitter
pensioner, or Polish-Australian, or some-such affliction.

the first one telling the world that torturing people American way
> isn't a torture and the other one telling me that life begins after death &
> so we ought to support Vatican...

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3783869.stm
> I am getting old!

perhaps lashings of lubrication is the only solution.

[Gość: wombat]

Oh dear, what powers of observation you posses......I?ll risk a guess, you are a member of CIA team that offered the ?proof? of those banned weapons in Iraq?wrong? Impossible, who else could have mistaken a wombat for a priest and an adolescent soon to be a bitter pensioner with Polish - antipodean origins. Be original, please?.
And as far as wacko?s defending goes, what is wrong in calling spade a spade? Or is this also a no-no here?
BTW, I?m extremely sorry to find out that reading my 2 previous posts caused such a strain to your feeble mind. After all having a view of the world based on newspapers is not what one calls a work-out for the old gray matter. Try not to exert it too much.

[chickenshorts]

thank you, erwas!
erwas napisał (podeslal):

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3783869.stm
"The report contended that the president, as commander-in-chief, has the
authority to approve almost any physical or psychological actions during
interrogation, including torture, the newspaper reported."

He may yet be declared a saint, may he not?
(By wacko, first?)


> perhaps lashings of lubrication is the only solution.

I decided not to end up like rothko
(I don't mean, self-glory)

[erwas]

this HAS hit the US headlines. perhaps we can stop hearing all this crap
about "a few bad apples". to get the complete picture you need to look at
the "treatment" of people in various US "facilities" around the world and in
the US itself.

meanwhile, the original WSJ piece (via Common Dreams):

www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0607-01.htm

[erwas]

> I decided not to end up like rothko

Rothko:

"silence is so accurate"

is that what you had in mind?