Past tenses

[Gość: BRONEK]

Hi!
I wnna ask if somebody of you - dear readers, whenever thought about tenses
in English. I bet you did! But I wanna know, do you really feel differences
using Past tenses while speaking? I wonder if Poles can really use proper
tense in proper conditions. For example. I know how to say a sentence:
Dzisiaj kupiłem gazetę - I have bought a newspaper today. But when you say -
Kupiłem gazetę dziś rano, you must say - I bought a newspaper today morning.
In the first case the time is not finished, so we must use Present Perfect.
But in the second one we must use Simple Past, the time is finished! But both
cases refer to the same day! Isn't that a little bit weird?
I think it's really tough for Poles. I wonder what're your ways to learn
these tenses? But for me it's really hard!
Regardz, Bronek.

[Gość: erwas]

Gość portalu: BRONEK napisał(a):

> Hi!
> I wnna ask if somebody of you - dear readers, whenever thought about tenses
> in English. I bet you did! But I wanna know, do you really feel differences
> using Past tenses while speaking? I wonder if Poles can really use proper
> tense in proper conditions. For example. I know how to say a sentence:
> Dzisiaj kupiłem gazetę - I have bought a newspaper today. But when you say -
> Kupiłem gazetę dziś rano, you must say - I bought a newspaper today morning.
> In the first case the time is not finished, so we must use Present Perfect.
> But in the second one we must use Simple Past, the time is finished! But both
> cases refer to the same day! Isn't that a little bit weird?
> I think it's really tough for Poles. I wonder what're your ways to learn
> these tenses? But for me it's really hard!
> Regardz, Bronek.

I bought a paper THIS morning. "today morning" is never used.
Wanna is spelt want to.
erwas

[Gość: BRONEK]

Hello!
O.K. nobodys's perfect and people sometimes make mistskes. But the problem is:
you didn't answer my question! So I WANNA know your opinion!
Greetings!

[Gość: namonik]

First of all erwas was right. Stop using wanna in written language.
Proper form is "want to".
I have bought a newspaper today. The point in time is not specified. You are
refering to the past about present state.
I bought a newspaper this morning. The point in time is specified. You are
describing what you did this morning.
Indeed Present Perfect is hard to grasp. I guess if you read a lot and listen
to a radio ( or books on tapes )........... Probably the best way is
to go to UK or US.
I must say I have no teaching background, just trying to help.

I ............(go) home since April.
I ............(go) home for three months.

[Gość: barbo]

Of course, you could say "I've bought a paper this morning", if "this morning"
is still not finished, e.g. it is half past eleven a.m., but "I bought a
newspaper this morning" while describing e.g. in the evening what you did in
the morning that finished some hours earlier.
Isn't that clear enough ?

[Gość: cc]

Gość portalu: namonik napisał(a):

> I have bought a newspaper today. The point in time is not specified. You are
> refering to the past about present state.
OK
> I bought a newspaper this morning. The point in time is specified. You are
> describing what you did this morning.
Only if it isn't this morning any more, but then you'd better use:
I bought a newspaper in the morning.
while when using 'this morning' it is more correct to use the perfect (I've
bought a newspaper this morning' to avoid confusion.

[Gość: Krys]

Here's what the main difference between the past and the present perfect tense
is:

- if the effect of the action is important and/or known (e.g.: you have the
news paper in your hands) but the moment in the past is not defined then you
should use the present perfect tense. The same is true when you say “I’ve
heard this song before” (it sounds familiar), or “somebody has opened a window”
(and it’s cold in this room now). In all cases the moment in the past may be
close (a few minutes ago) or very remote as in “I’ve been to London before”.

If you specify the moment in time your action took place, you should use the
past tense as in “I bought a news paper this morning” (although I don’t do it
too often) or “I opened this window at noon” (it could as well be closed again
by now).

I hope it helps

Krys

[Gość: BRONEK]

Hello!
I'd like to thank you all for support. It's really very, very helpful to me.
But the next problem that has occured during our discussion is a word "wanna".
What's wrong with it? Is it really so incorrect to use it while writing? I ask
because I saw a lot of lyrics, texts etc. where people use it. So maybe the
same problem is with a word "gonna" that occures in lyrics, too. Do these words
belong to a kind of slang or something like that?
I'd like to know what type of language people really speak (I mean
unofficially, daily).
If you could explain me that I'd be very grateful.
Regards.

[mouchi]

Gość portalu: BRONEK napisał(a):

> Hello!
> I'd like to thank you all for support. It's really very, very helpful to me.
> But the next problem that has occured during our discussion is a word "wanna".
> What's wrong with it? Is it really so incorrect to use it while writing? I
ask
> because I saw a lot of lyrics, texts etc. where people use it. So maybe the
> same problem is with a word "gonna" that occures in lyrics, too. Do these
words
>
> belong to a kind of slang or something like that?
> I'd like to know what type of language people really speak (I mean
> unofficially, daily).
> If you could explain me that I'd be very grateful.
> Regards.

It seems that you are looking for a "cool language". do not take it from
lyrics, never, ever.
movies are a bit better.
re. wanna/ gonna - yes, never use it in writing. it's a "speaking" form, but
still it is not so common.
anyway, usually foreigners speaking even very well the language that is foreign
to them sound silly when they use slang language. it's a part of culture and
society you live in, it's rather a matter of feeling the words than just
knowing their meaning.

[pawel78]

I think you should be very careful about learning English from lyrics. Very
often they are not just slang, but simply gramatically incorrect (perhaps Sting
is an exception). "Gonna", "wanna", or "gotta" may be used often in speech (I
have even heard G. W. Bush using "gonna" in a fairly formal speech) , but I
think you should never use them in writing. Even "normal" abbreviations such
as "it's", "don't", "won't" etc. are usually not used in writing, especially in
letters; instead, you should use "it is", "do not" etc. At least, that is what
I have been taught and it seems to be true.
As far as tenses are concerned, I do not think Present Perfect is used very
often, even if you talk about events that happened just a while ago and do not
specify time. If you hear an unexpected noise, you are more likely to ask "what
was that" than "what has that been", aren't you? I believe no one says "I have
bought a newspaper today". I think Present Perfect is more suitable in
sentences such as "I've heard this song before" or "I've been a teacher for 4
years now" etc.

[blb]

Ok, you wouldn't write "kupiłem se bułkę (or bułke)" you wouldn't
write "poszłem do kina" or"pojszłem do kina". Why? Try and you will know.
BTW. "explain me" means "explain my behaviour". It is "explain to me"

[Gość: together]

In US wanna, gonna and gotta used in spoken language is generally OK.
Never ever on the paper. Got that?

[Gość: barti1]

It's a matter of using a formal or an informal language and situation. On no
account use "wanna" and similar forms on any examination, but in an informal
note to friend there's nothing wrong in it.What's more, person using such
slang , but without fluency in language sounds sometimes a bit dull...so be
carefull. Cheers!

[jamesbond007]

wanna and gonna are universally used around the English-speaking world. But as
the previous post suggests SHOULD NEVER BE WRITTEN DOWN.

Song lyrics are rarely grammatically correct.

[Gość: Sir Mixalot]

Why not? What are you getting so uptight about? Isn't the idea of a language to
communicate with other people? This bloke had a serious question about tenses
and getting his meaning across and all some of you lot can do is bring up pissy
criticisms of the way people write a word, or misspell when they're typing. How
many of the posts include criticisms of people's spelling?

[Gość: J]

OK, I would never use Dubya bush as an example to learn english (referring to pawel78's post about bush using wanna in a speech)... maybe to snort blow off some hooker's back or something, but that's about it. or drive drunk.
Although the speech must have been written without slang such as wanna, it's just bush's reading and pronunciation. I mean, look at him! he's a freakin monkey running a country!

In writing, wanna shouldn't be used, unless it's in chat or maybe some sort of informal email or something like that. but in general it's probably to stay away from that.

[Gość: erwas]

Gość portalu: J napisał(a):

> (...) bush's reading and pronunciation. I mean, look at him! he's a freakin
> monkey running a country!

check out:
www.smirkingchimp.com/
erwas

[Gość: Sir Mixalot]

Fair point about 'wanna' in chat. Depends if it's appropriate to the audience,
not the form. It just gets on my tits a bit when people try to lay down the law
about what you can and can't write and get on their high horse about what's
right and wrong in English

[norge75]

I think it's quite grammatical to say, "I bought a
newspaper today", especially when you mention several
activities you did on that day; however, when you negate
it, you should use Present Perfect, "I haven't bought a
newspaper today."

[Gość: hub]

Gość portalu: BRONEK napisał(a):

> Hi!
> I wnna ask if somebody of you - dear readers, whenever thought about tenses
> in English. I bet you did! But I wanna know, do you really feel differences
> using Past tenses while speaking? I wonder if Poles can really use proper
> tense in proper conditions. For example. I know how to say a sentence:
> Dzisiaj kupiłem gazetę - I have bought a newspaper today. But when you say -
> Kupiłem gazetę dziś rano, you must say - I bought a newspaper today morning.
> In the first case the time is not finished, so we must use Present Perfect.
> But in the second one we must use Simple Past, the time is finished! But both
> cases refer to the same day! Isn't that a little bit weird?
> I think it's really tough for Poles. I wonder what're your ways to learn
> these tenses? But for me it's really hard!
> Regardz, Bronek.

the main role is!!! If the situation that happend have some impact or relates
to the present you use Present perfect.
If it happand and it dosn't inflence the present - use past simple
Is this simple??

it is always good to ask

[Gość: HADZIAJ]

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