Past Perfect

[matka_chrzestna]

Past Perfect Simple & Past Perfect Continuous, Past Simple, strona bierna

Dlczego jest tak, a nie tak jak ja zrobiłam?

1. We weren’t / hadn’t been allowed to touch anything in the room before
the police had taken / took photos and fingerprints.
Ma być “weren’t” i „had taken”, dlaczego?

2. The last festival wasn’t / hadn’t been very successful, don’t you
think ?
Ma być “wasn’t”, dlaczego tak ma być?

3. I had never ridden / been riding a horse before.
Dlaczego “ridden”

dzięki :)
pozdrawiam :)
Matka Chrzestna

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matka_chrzestna napisała:

> Past Perfect Simple & Past Perfect Continuous, Past Simple, strona bierna
>
> Dlczego jest tak, a nie tak jak ja zrobiłam?
>
> 1. We weren’t / hadn’t been allowed to touch anything in the room b
> efore
> the police had taken / took photos and fingerprints.
> Ma być “weren’t” i „had taken”, dlaczego?

The "before" in that sentence is sloppy. The best way of expressing that
sentence is "We were not allowed to touch anything until the police had taken".
The "had" of "have taken" is the closest we get to the past subjunctive that a
language like Spanish, with its more developed verb, would look for there.
("Antes que la policia HABIA TOMADO las huellas digitales").

Alternative explanation: at the time, we heard "you are not allowed to touch
anything until the police have taken the fingerprints", and with reported
speech you've got a sequence of tenses which moves everything one stage back in
the past.

>
> 2. The last festival wasn’t / hadn’t been very successful, don̵
> 7;t you
> think ?
> Ma być “wasn’t”, dlaczego tak ma być?
>

Because nothing else happens. Let's imagine we have this sentence: "The last
festival had not been very successful, so they decided to change the venue this
year" - in this case there is a reason for the pluperfect. You are comparing a
past event to one that was already finished in the past and that impacts on it.

> 3. I had never ridden / been riding a horse before.
> Dlaczego “ridden”
>

Because the context is your life experience - have you ever ridden a horse?
Have you ever driven an automatic car? Have you ever been DP'd on a wet leather
sofa? Experience gained is always reported with the perfect tense.

"I had been riding the horse for several hours when suddenly the saddle fell
off" - here you use a continuous because you are setting the scene for a past
event to happen suddenly in the midle of an unfinished past action. There is no
such context here.

OK?

[easystreet]

Galopujesz po tych czasach i dlatego (moze) zaczyna sie gmatwac. Pamietaj: past
perfect to czas ZAprzeszly, czyli dla czynnosci wczesniejszej wobec innej
przeszlej.
1. We weren't allowed (nie pozwolono nam) zanim policja nie zrobila zdjec
(hadn't taken), czyli najpierw policja miala zrobic zdjecia, potem wolno bylo
dotykac...
2. The festival wasn't...bo masz tylko jeden czasownik w zdaniu, wiec nie
musisz wykazywac KOLEJNOSCI zdarzen, badz czynnosci i uzyjesz najogolniejszego
Past, czyli simple past. Wszystkie PERFECT czasy oraz wszystkie CONTINUOUS, to
nic innego, jak nadanie ZABARWIENIA, czy aspektu czynnosci (dokonanego i
niedokonanego) a nie umiejscowienie tej czynnosci w czasie, bo do tego
wystarczaja TRZY podstwawowe czasy, najbardziej ogolne: simple present, past,
and future. Wszystkie perfect i continuous to takie wariacje na temat....

3. Nie jezdzilas konno wczesniej a nie "nie ujezdzalas konia"...wystarczy na
dzis. :)

Tak naprawde, to ten nieszczesny past perfect zrozumiesz najlepiej w
nastepujacych przykladach:

By the time we GOT to the airport, the plane HAD already LEFT.
When I CAME to school, the bell HAD already RUNG/the exam HAD just BEGUN, so I
was late.
He felt he HADN't BEEN LOVED (albo had NEVER been loved) until he MET her.

A ty idźże już do szkoły...

[anna-dark]

A ty idźże już do szkoły...

[easystreet]

a tego, co Tobie potrzeba, to zadna szkola nie dostarczy, ani takie forum.
Dla niewyzytych jest takie specjalne miejsce w GW. Gdy wrocisz i sie pobawisz,
to daj znac czy pomoglo. Moze tam Ci ulzy....

[easystreet]

Or maybe you're just such a LONELY girl, hmmmm? In that case, my sympathy.
I understand your need for therapy and I DO sympathize.

[anna-dark]

Sorry -I'm not keen on wimps...

easystreet napisała:

> Or maybe you're just such a LONELY girl, hmmmm? In that case, my sympathy.
> I understand your need for therapy and I DO sympathize.

[easystreet]

sympathize AND apologize. I've always had sympathy for the feeble of mind and
body.
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Happy Days are coming, soon. Your sufferning shall end. Believe!

[easystreet]

Who rocks YOUR world, honey?

How comes? You're so sophisticated darling...

[anna-dark]

How comes? You're so sophisticated darling...

easystreet napisała:

> Who rocks YOUR world, honey?

[easystreet]

What a pity that you don't know more (people) like me.
Dildos just don't cut it, eh?

[anna-dark]

Sorry - I do NOT deal with assholes...

easystreet napisała:

> What a pity that you don't know more (people) like me.
> Dildos just don't cut it, eh?

[easystreet]

First, learn how to think clearly and write properly, Anna-in-the-dark.
Only then, should you put something so complex as a keyboard under your itchy
fingers. For brain spasms and other itches, there really ARE other venues.

[easystreet]

and you really OUGHT to stop degrading yourself so publicly.
You are forgiven. Go in peace.
Otherwise, RAID will do the job.

[easystreet]

oh, and "how come".
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"The feeble should at least be more polite."

[anna-dark]

Dig it ???

[anna-dark]

If you want to joke, you should know a joke at least...

easystreet napisała:

> and you really OUGHT to stop degrading yourself so publicly.
> You are forgiven. Go in peace.
> Otherwise, RAID will do the job.

[anna-dark]

What are you talking about? Are you out of your brains?

[easystreet]

This is not a bi-polar disorder chat-line. Make up your mind; either you're
with it, or out of it. Knock hard, and maybe someone will answer. There's hope
for you yet:)

[anna-dark]

He, he...