Dash8-Q400 i ATR72-500

[polar_khan]

Czy ktos wie ile kostuje Dash8-Q400 i ATR72-500. Zanim ktos powie ze zalezy
od zamowienia/przewoznika itd. Chodzi mi o cene katologowa jaka np. ma Boeing

Airplane Families 2004 $ in Millions

737 Family

737-600 44.0 - 52.0
737-700 50.5 - 59.0
737-800 61.5 - 69.5
737-900 64.5 - 74.0


747 Family

747-400/ -400ER 198.0 - 227.0
747-400/ -400ER Freighter 202.0 - 228.0


767 Family

767-200ER 108.5 - 120.0
767-300ER 123.5 - 136.5
767-300 Freighter 131.5 - 143.5
767-400ER 135.0 - 148.5


777 Family

777-200 165.0 - 182.5
777-200ER 173.5 - 195.5
777-200LR 202.0 - 225.5
777-300 191.5 - 218.0
777-300ER 218.0 - 245.5

Cos w tym stylu. Jak ktos ma jakies zrodla niech mi da znac.

[Gość: jast]

ta sa liczby okolo $25-30 mln. Dokladnych nie znam.

[polar_khan]

Gdzies czytalem ze ATR72-500 chodzi okolo 14-18milionowUSD Czy to mozliwe?

[Gość: jast]

To cos wyglado rewelacyjnie tanio. ATR 72-500 to w koncu duzo aluminium z dwoma
poteznymi silnikami. Duzo mniejsze samoloty chodza po $30 mln. Moje proby
guglowania skonczyly sie niepowodzeniem. Sam sprobuj poszukac i daj znac ...
jestem ciekawy.

[Gość: WuMike]

Spojrz na to:
"Target sales price fo the ERJ-170 is 21 million US-Dollars, while the ERJ-190
will have a price tag of 24 million US-Dollars."

lub tez na to:
"In 1998 were incorporated to the fleet 4 French ATR-42-300, 2 for Aerogaviota
and 2 for Aerocaribbean, bought by 30 million dollars to France."

no i ostatecznie na to:
"According to Tanzanian weekly, Business Times, private airline, Kilimanjaro
Airways (KAL) (ION N°511), is negotiating with the French firm, Avions de
Transport Regional (ATR) for the acquisition of four ATR 42 72-seater craft, at
a unit price of about twelve million dollars. (...)."

Dalej nie wierzysz, ze mogla byc taka cena?? :]

Dash8-Q400 i ATR72-500

[polar_khan]

No to by sie zgadzalo z tym co ostatnio slyszalem ze ATR72-500 14-18$USD drosza
wersja jest ta z "Elegance" cabin:

The new ATR “Elegance” cabin interior, proposed as an option on the –500 series
aircraft, has been developed to further enhance the level of comfort for the
passengers. This new cabin features incorporate new ergonomic seats and
redesigned interiors, including new furnishing panels and colour schemes. It
provides a more spacious and luxurious atmosphere in the cabin, which is
already the widest one in the regional market. In addition, a refreshed grey
blue flight deck is also proposed as an option.

A podobno najdrosza wersja jest CARGO bo wszystko w niej jest wsmocnione. Czy
ktos cos wie wiecej o Dash8-Q400 ile chodzi on Cenowo? Ktory wam sie bardziej
podoba? Moze jeszcze by wziasc SAAB pod uwage co?

[Gość: jast]

no, w koncu znalazlem cos co brzmi rozsadnie ...

"Accordingly, a tender was floated and Biman received price quotation of $16.9
million and $26.66 million for each new ATR 72-500 and Dash 8-Q400 aircraft
respectively."

calosc jest tutaj ...

www.weeklyholiday.net/270204/aviatour.html

[polar_khan]

Zaj..... dzieki no to mamy odpowiedz. No to jest niezla roznica cen. Mimo tego
jakos ATR wciaz ma problemy ze sprzedaza. Przeciez za cene 2 Dash8-Q400 mozna
kupic 3ATR...Jestem ciekaw jak one sie w eksploatacji porownuja. Czy ktos wie
ktory z tych dwoch modeli jest Cichszy? Obydwa sa 6platowe(sorry ale nie wiem
jak to napisac).

[Gość: jast]

problemy ? Ja myslalem ze ATR ma ten rynek opanowany. A moze teraz wogole
turbopropy sie gorzej sprzedaja?

Dash8-Q400 i ATR72-500

[polar_khan]

Opanowany to ATR mial. Tylko ze jakos wogole turbopropy zle/gorzej sie
sprzedaja. W tym roku sprzedali 12(1 ATR42-500 i 11 ATR72-500) choc w tamtym
sprzedali 13sztuk (5/8) a w planie mieli 15sztuk. Na rok 2005 w planie jest
15sztuk. 2007/2008 po 18sztuk. Oprocz tego planuja 40transakcji uzywanych
samolotow rocznie. Air Deccan(Indie) zamowilo u nich co prawda 30 ATR72-500 i
6uzywanych(3-72 i 3-42). No i Turecka flota wojskowa zamowila 10 ATR72-ASW
(AntiSubmarine Warfare). Pozyjemy i zobaczymy ja obobiscie lubie ATR 500serie.
Nigdy nie lecialem natomiast Dash8-Q400 mimo ze AirCanada je posiada.

ATR72-500 ATR42-500

[polar_khan]

Z posiadanych przez LOT(EuroLOT) ATR(72 i 42) ile jest z 500serii?

[Gość: WuMike]

Podobno Dash8-Q400 jest cichszy od ATR42/72-500 ale nie moge tego powiedziec w
100%, bo nie lecialem tym pierwszym. Kanadyjskie samoloty sa nieco szybsze.
Ja tam lubie latac ATR-kami. Gdyby tak wymienic wszystkie nasze modele AT7 na
nowsza wersje -500, z ladniejszym wnetrzem, byloby git!
EuroLOT posiada 5 maszyn ATR42, wszystkie w wersji -500 (6-cio lopatowe smigla)
oraz 8 maszyn ATR72, wszystkie -200 (stare, glosne 4-ro lopatowe). Takze jest
tutaj mozliwosc ulepszenia.

[Gość: frequent flyer]

no a ja leciałem Q-400 Tyrolean z Wiednia do WAW, zanim wsiadłem tom przeczytał
na burcie czy na samym silniku obwieszczenie treści "Sound of Silence" czy
jakoś tak, i mocno się rozczarowałem. Sound był ale silence na pewno nie. być
może jest on cichy z zewnątrz, ale w środku ATR jest cichszy. Q400 natomiast
lata z prędkością równą czterosilnikowemu odrzutowcowi. nie każdemu być może,
ale ARJ-70/85 vel BAe-146 - tak.

Ktory szybszy?

[polar_khan]

Znalazlem fajna tabele na stronie Bombardier dotyczaca Dash8-Q400. Otoz podobno
wedlug niej: "Q400 is built for speed and productivity", i potrafi przeleciec w
ciagu 60Minut....300 pare NauticalMiles w porownaniu ATR42(ktora seria???nie
pisze),Tylko 260pareNM, a z kolei ATR72(tez nie pisze ktora seria) jakies
255NM. Wedlug tej samej talebi Q400 jest porownywalny do RJ85 (taka sama
odleglosc co Q400) i B737-500 ktory potrafi przeleciec 5NM wiecej. Troche
wszkoda tylko ze roznica cen jest tak rozlegla. Poniewaz 2 a 3sztuki to jest
roznica. Oto kilka fajnych tabeli dotyczacych Q400 i zalet ekonomicznych, itd.

www.q400.com/q400/en/performance.jsp
www.q400.com/q400/en/turbo.jsp
www.q400.com/q400/en/green.jsp
A tak szybko co do BAE146 AirCanada miala te go....o za przeproszeniem Nigdy
tym nie lubialem latac wole ATR.

Powrot do cen......Artykul po angielsku

[polar_khan]

The board of the Biman Bangladesh Airlines is set to approve today purchase of
three DASH 8-Q-400 aircraft for $79.98 million whereas it could buy three ATR
72-500 aircraft for $50.7 million, about $30 million less.

A Canadian DASH aircraft is priced at $26.66 million, almost twice as much as a
French ATR 72-500, which costs $16.9 million, according to the report of an
evaluation committee.

However, as per terms and conditions of the tender, suppliers of the DASH
aircraft have offered $12 million in trade-in value for two ATP and three F-28
aircraft, to be adjusted at the time of payment. The ATR trade-in offer is $2.9
million.

The Biman executive directors, at a meeting on November 27, recommended
purchase of three DASH aircraft, despite higher fuel consumption and
maintenance cost, on the ground that the brand was more profitable than the ATR.

The meeting also pointed out that a 78-seat DASH aircraft has more passenger-
carrying capacity than a 68-seat ATR. Besides, positioning of the coffin
compartment in front of the cargo hold in an ATR aircraft will be uncomfortable
for the passengers.

“Cost per kilogram payload of DASH 8-Q400 per year is $3,204.2 against
$3,254.54 for ATR. Revenue per kg payload of DASH is $4,918.04 against
$4,033.39 for ATR as per financial analysis,” the meeting observed.

The executive directors also resolved that as the number of seats in a DASH is
higher and the space for cargo larger than those of the ATR, it would be more
profitable for Biman to buy the Canadian aircraft.

The meeting ignored a report of a Biman fleet planning subcommittee, submitted
on April 16, 2003 before the tender was floated, which says the ATR aircraft
consume less fuel.

An ATR travels from Dhaka to Chittagong or vice versa in 46 minutes and
consumes 465 kilograms of jet fuel against 38 minutes and 653 kilograms by
DASH, says the report.

Biman officials have been tight-lipped about the purchase.

“I have been asked by the higher authorities not to talk on the purchase of the
DASH 8-Q 400 aircraft,” said the general manager for planning, Rajpati Sarkar.

“I would face problems if I talked about the issue,” said the general manager
for cost and budget, Mohammad Nurul Abedin.

Biman floated the tender to buy three new-generation aircraft for its domestic
fleet on July 3, 2003. The tender was cancelled after only two companies had
submitted their bids.

The re-tender was floated on August 21, 2003 and three companies submitted
their bids. ATR and Bombardier Aerospace were short-listed by the tender
committee.

The Biman management later raised objection that the 72-seat ATR aircraft did
not have enough space to carry coffins. Subsequently, the ATR proposed to
rearrange the sitting arrangement and remove four seats to create more space
behind the cockpit for coffins.

However, the management rejected the revised ATR proposal saying the new
sitting arrangement would make the passengers uncomfortable.

Biman carries 8-10 coffins on average every year on its domestic routes, said
Captain Nasimul Haque, president of the Bangladesh Pilots’ Association. “The
seats are not sold out all the time, either.”

Nasim would not comment on the performance of the Bombardier Aerospace but said
the association had made it clear to the steering committee that similar
aircraft should be purchased to reduce maintenance and training costs. “Boeing
can be an option as its package includes training and maintenance.”

Bombardier and Avions de Transport Regional use engines of Pratt and Whitney in
their aircraft, according to Civil Aircrafts, a book published by Harper
Collins in 2001. It says an ATR aircraft has between 70 and 80 seats while
Bombardier 72 and 78.

Meanwhile, the Biman management on February 7 suspended the procurement process
until further notice and inducted two used F28-4000 aircraft as an interim
measure.

The issue came up for discussion at the meeting of the executive directors on
November 17 where it was decided that offers of DASH8-Q400 and ATR72-500
aircraft would be revived.
New Age

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