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November 30, 2001


Lax inspection puts contaminated meat, milk and vegetables on plates says
auditor


COLIN PERKEL
Canadian Press
TORONTO (CP) - Contaminated meat, milk and vegetables produced in Ontario have
likely found their way to the dinner tables of consumers because of lax
government inspections, the province's auditor warned Thursday. Meat was
spotted on dirty surfaces and carcasses seen transported in unrefrigerated
trucks in inspections of Ontario-regulated abattoirs that exposed serious
problems in every slaughterhouse examined.

"I don't want to stand here and alarm people, but (the safety of our food
supply) is of concern," auditor Erik Peters said in an interview.

"They (the government) have to do more to ensure the safety of our food supply."

In his annual report to the legislature, Peters noted that inspectors rely too
much on how Ontario meat looks and smells in determining whether it is safe to
eat.

The meat is hardly ever tested for antibiotics, which could pose a threat to
some consumers, and there is no random testing for microbiological and chemical
contamination, the report found.

Even potentially hazardous problems at slaughterhouses - problems the ministry
itself defined as "critical" - were overlooked.

"Almost one-third of the deficiencies noted were detected again during the
following year's audit," Peters said.

In some cases, it took more than six months for ministry inspectors to ask
plant-owners to fix the problems, Peters found.

Only 14 per cent of the province's meat supply is provincially inspected, with
Ottawa responsible for the rest.

Ontario's fruits and vegetables aren't necessarily a healthier alternative.

Three or four of every 100 samples tested by the Agriculture Ministry were
awash in chemicals at levels that exceeded allowable limits by as much as 80
times.

The ministry also failed to inspect one-third of the 46 provincially licensed
dairy plants it was required to examine last year.

A full 90 per cent of the goats' milk tested by the ministry had too much
bacteria, and one-third of the goat farms inspected failed to meet ministry
standards but the ministry took no action.

Revelations that some of the food produced in Ontario may be unsafe comes as
public health officials in the province try to pinpoint the source of another
potentially deadly outbreak of E. coli that just last week sent 12 people to
hospital.

"The auditor's report tells us why (they're ill)," said New Democrat Leader
Howard Hampton, who added the government is putting corporate tax cuts ahead of
health concerns.

Liberal Leader Dalton McGuinty accused the government of "gross negligence" by
cutting the number of full-time inspectors - from 103 in 1995 to just eight in
2000.

"Just like Walkerton, your cuts are endangering families," McGuinty said.

Agriculture Minister Brian Coburn said the ministry has addressed almost half
of the auditor's recommendations and had "increased surveillance" using 131
part-time contract inspectors.

"We have safe food in Ontario, the safest food in the world, and we intend to
keep it that way."

There have been changes to food inspection since the auditor investigated, said
Tom Baker, director of the Food Inspection Branch of the Ministry of
Agriculture.

"There have been 50,000 more hours of inspections during the past year," Baker
said Thursday.

"Ten full-time scientists have been hired to conduct tests for chemical and
microbiological contaminants."

Baker also noted that current legislation only allows inspectors to check
abattoirs and farms.

"There are manufacturing facilities we should also be looking at," he said.

Branch inspectors can respond to a farm "within 24 hours if random sampling
identifies a possible problem," Baker added.

One way to assess the safety of the domestic food supply is to look at the
incidence of illness caused by tainted food but Peters found the ministry has
no way of tracking illnesses.

"We were informed that due to staff reductions and reorganization, ministry
staff no longer investigate the source of concerns to help producers resolve
identified problems," Peters said.

A major problem is the lack of serious penalties for violating food-safety
laws, the auditor said.

The average fine was just $320 for offences such as illegally slaughtering
poultry, improperly processing cheese and breaking the rules on disposing of
dead animals.

The auditor also warned that inadequate licensing and monitoring of the
deadstock industry raises the possibility that meat declared unfit for people
could nevertheless end up on store shelves.

In one case, meat that should have been marked as inedible wasn't because the
plant operator ran out of the charcoal used to mark the meat's quality.

To improve matters, Peters recommended tougher penalties for violating food-
safety rules, stronger and more consistent enforcement of regulations and
better monitoring, especially when it comes to past offenders.

In its response, the ministry said it agrees with the recommendations and that
is was putting in place "solid risk-management processes."


Highlights from the 2001 report released Thursday by Ontario auditor Erik
Peters:

- "Critical" safety deficiencies are going unattended at slaughterhouses, with
no random tests of meat for bacterial or chemical contamination;

- Out of 800 fruit and vegetable samples tested, chemical contamination
exceeded acceptable levels in 28 cases, sometimes by as much as 80 times the
limit;

- Penalties for violating food safety laws are too low;

- Road tests for some new drivers are too short;

- Potentially dangerous drivers are still on the road thanks to a backlog of
30,000 medical reports dating back to 1997, assessing whether or not they
should be behind the wheel;

- Drivers with licences suspended for impaired driving were reinstated due to
procedural deficiencies;

- Cost of project to speed information between three justice ministries has
soared to $359 million from $180 million, while estimated savings have plunged
to $172 million;

- Millions are being wasted through overspending on generic drugs and a program
to provide wheelchairs and oxygen to residents with long-term disabilities;

- Province can't determine whether $1.36 billion in special education funding
is being spent properly by school boards to meet the children's needs.

- More than a thousand women and their children were turned away from
government-subsidized domestic-violence shelters.





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    • Gość: Gatsby Re: Canada - nie taka najlepsza IP: 207.61.17.* 30.11.01, 15:48


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      f=/stories/20011130/812166.html


      November 30, 2001


      Is Canada a country in decline?
      There was a time when the future of this blessed land looked hopeful. But when
      we write the history of the past 30 years, it will be a sad story of squandered
      opportunity


      Michael Bliss
      National Post
      It has been too bad that the career and personality of the messenger blinds so
      many Canadians to the message Conrad Black has been trying to deliver. Strip
      away the ego-tripping and exaggeration, cut the adjectives and redundancies
      from his prose, and Black has been rather desperately trying to awaken us to
      the fact of Canadian decline.

      He isn't alone in this. In the past few years, the speeches of business
      leaders, the columns of journalists, even the off-the-record musings of
      politicians have increasingly been marked by anxiety about the shortcomings of
      our national performance. In nearly all the dimensions of national life, we
      Canadians are falling behind both our southern neighbours and our own
      potential. The fact that from certain perspectives we remain such a wonderfully
      successful country has a tendency to mask our weaknesses. But these weaknesses
      are becoming so numerous and so glaring that a moment of national truth is
      approaching, a time when we have to face up to the implications of Canadian
      decline. Here are the ways in which we are falling short:

      (1) Economic: Although Canada remains one of the world's richest countries, our
      standard of living has been failing since the 1970s to keep pace with that of
      the United States. Our per capita wealth, which nearly matched the United
      States in the 1960s, is now 75% to 80% of that of Americans, and continuing to
      decline relatively. Thus, as Black has pointed out, in the aggregate Canadians
      are doing economically about as well in the world as black Americans, a people
      who have had a few more handicaps to overcome.

      The decline in our dollar against the American, from above par in 1977 to
      recent record lows below 63¢, is a fair index of our relative shrinkage. We
      have proven unwilling or unable to level the tax playing field with the
      Americans; we are relying on the low dollar to keep our export industries
      competitive; in area after area of our economic life, from retailing to
      banking, our firms are having trouble competing in the free trade climate. The
      national government and most provinces continued to be burdened with high
      levels of public debt; as the recession bites, they're sliding quickly back
      into deficit financing. We are hemorrhaging talented, highly trained Canadians
      to the United States.

      (2) Social: Canadian social policies are no longer pioneering, innovative or of
      much interest to anyone outside of Canada. Instead of being copied by other
      countries, our health care system is out of step with international practices,
      and in desperate need of reform. As our wealth declines relative to the United
      States, we are increasingly hard-pressed to compete with the Americans in a
      wide range of social policy, from educational and research excellence to urban
      infrastructure. There is no evidence that our national gun control legislation
      has achieved anything but cost overruns, bureaucratic bloat and citizen
      vexation. Forty years of national social policy aimed at regional equalization
      has perpetuated inequality and dependency, while spawning regional resentment.
      Our aboriginal policies are, at best, an anachronistic holding operation.

      (3) Cultural: Save for a handful of brilliant writers, Canada's contribution to
      global culture is minimal. We make no significant contribution to global
      popular culture. Our domestic publishing and entertainment industries remain on
      taxpayer-provided life-support. There is no evidence that the strong French
      presence in Canadian life has made any significant difference in our total
      cultural achievement. Effective bilingualism or biculturalism ends in Canada
      about five miles west of Ottawa. An increasingly multicultural society cannot,
      by definition, have a meaningful cultural identity.

      (4) Political: The embarrassingly inept complacency of our aging Prime Minister
      is only the tip of the iceberg of our political malaise. Ottawa arguably has
      fewer leaders of real stature than at any time since 1867. Not only has our two-
      party system disappeared, but the calibre of the replacement talent within the
      governing party is not high. A lucky, run-of-the-mill Finance Minister, and a
      disaster-prone Health Minister are the best of a shockingly bad lot. The
      opposition politicians are not credible alternatives.

      Worse, the individuals reflect the system. Canada's monarchically derived
      parliamentary government is anachronistic in the modern democratic world. Quite
      apart from the institutionalized scandal of our Senate, the House of Commons
      has sunk into irrelevance while the Prime Minister's Office has risen to
      autocratic dominance. The continuance of patronage and the plundering of the
      public treasury to advance the interests of the governing party would be seen
      as an affront to civic ideals, if only we still had ideals to offend. Our most
      respected pundit, Jeffrey Simpson, publishes a devastating attack on our
      political system as A Friendly Dictatorship, and Ottawa barely yawns. Everyone
      knows it's true. Nobody cares.

      (5) Military and Diplomatic: There is an important parallelism here. Just as we
      have armed forces fully trained, equipped and prepared for anything but
      fighting, so we go through all the motions on the world stage until it comes to
      actually having influence. The lies and exaggerations about our role that are
      spread for public consumption in Canada are accurately dealt with in the
      foreign media
      • ttc National Post... 30.11.01, 16:45
        "National Post", dla tych co nie w temacie, zostalo
        zalozone przez Conrada Black w 1998 jako jego "ego
        trip". Ten pan postanowil opublikowac swoja
        autobiografie w wieku lat okolo 46 co pokazuje Panstwu
        stan jego megalomani. Proponuje w pozostaniu do
        "The Economist" ktory ma dluga (chyba 150 lat) tradycje
        bycia bardzo dobrym zrodlem na tematy gospodarcze.
        "National Post" traci rocznie okolo 80-100 mln rocznie
        i nawet Conrad Black wiedzial ze Toronto nie jest w
        stanie utrzymac 4 gazet anglojezycznych (jest okolo
        tuzina innych dziennikow w Toronto, w tym po polsku).
        Sprzedal wiec ten dziennik do Izzy Asper (ten od
        Global). Wszystkie wroble na Bay St. cwierkaja ze nawet
        Asper nie moze sobie na takie straty pozwolic i gazeta
        bedzie wkrotce sprzedana. Jedynym potencjalnym nabywca
        jest... "Toronto Star" ktore wchlonie dodatek
        gospodarczy (Financial Post) a reszta skasuje. Mozna
        nazekac na autorytet ONZ na tematy gospodarcze ale
        ciezej bedzie oskarzac "The Economist" o propagande...
        P.S. Nigdzie nie utrzymuje ze Kanada jest NAJLEPSZA,
        nie wiem dlaczego tyle ludzi ma problemy z tego
        zrozumieniem. Opieram sie na danych z roznych zrodel
        zeby przekonac niektorych ze jest naprawde w Kanadzie
        bardzo dobrze (chociaz daleko jej do idealu). A ze moze
        byc lepiej? Wszedzie moze byc lepiej smile
        • kanadol Re: National Post... 30.11.01, 17:08
          Idąc twoim tokiem myślenia należałoby wnioskować, ze prawda jest zależna od
          zysków i strat. Interesująca mentalność(???)
          • Gość: ESL Re: National Post... IP: 209.226.65.* 30.11.01, 17:31
            kanadol napisał(a):

            > Idąc twoim tokiem myślenia należałoby wnioskować, ze prawda jest zależna od
            > zysków i strat. Interesująca mentalność(???)

            Kanadol - co sie stalo? Cos Cie boli? Grypa? Brzuszek? Paluszek?
            Co sie stalo, ze nie skopiowales po raz kolejny swojego smakowitego postu o
            zydowskiej propagandzie, z ktorego to np. mnie udalo sie dowiedziec o moim
            zydowskim pochodzeniu, ktore moi przodkowie jakos skrzetnie przede mna ukryli.
            Z przyjemnoscia dowiem sie zrodel Twoich poszukiwan genealogicznych a poki co -
            zycze zdrowia (tak dla soma jak i dla psyche).
            • kanadol Re: National Post... 30.11.01, 17:50
              i tu cię czosnku mamy smile
        • Gość: Gatsby Re: National Post...Do ttc IP: 207.61.17.* 30.11.01, 17:28
          What is your point, if any?.
          • ttc Re: National Post...Do ttc 30.11.01, 17:43
            Gość portalu: Gatsby napisał(a):

            > What is your point, if any?.

            I guess your point is that Canada is going to hell in a
            hand basket. I beg to differ.
            Every country has its share of problems and Canada is not
            an exception.
            "National Post" is a paper that tends to concentrate on
            mostly negatives. I must
            admit, it's quite a depressing reading. I propose to
            focus our attention on many
            positive aspects of this great country. I strongly
            believe that they outweigh Canada's
            shortcomings. Cheers, ttc

            • Gość: Gatsby Re: National Post...Do ttc IP: 207.61.17.* 30.11.01, 18:23
              ttc napisał(a):

              > Gość portalu: Gatsby napisał(a):
              >
              > > What is your point, if any?.
              >
              > I guess your point is that Canada is going to hell in a
              > hand basket. I beg to differ.
              > Every country has its share of problems and Canada is not
              > an exception.
              > "National Post" is a paper that tends to concentrate on
              > mostly negatives. I must
              > admit, it's quite a depressing reading. I propose to
              > focus our attention on many
              > positive aspects of this great country. I strongly
              > believe that they outweigh Canada's
              > shortcomings. Cheers, ttc
              >

              Thanks for your answer: I appreciate your position, but would respectfully
              suggest that one should consider both negative and positive aspects; in so doing
              one can reach a balanced view; the latter is closer to reality than either of its
              necessary components.

              Canada is a great country; I want it to get even better.

            • kanadol Re: National Post...Do ttc 30.11.01, 18:55
              If in your opinion this country is doing well then why don’t you keep it for
              yourself and the problem would be solved. But you see, you are more interested
              in making propaganda then in anything else that why you are so concerned about
              others opinions.
              And don’t give me that shit of yours please.
              • ttc Re: National Post...Do ttc 30.11.01, 19:43
                kanadol napisał(a):

                > If in your opinion this country is doing well then why
                don�t you keep it
                > for
                > yourself and the problem would be solved. But you see,
                you are more interested
                > in making propaganda then in anything else that why you
                are so concerned about
                > others opinions.
                > And don�t give me that shit of yours please.

                Dear Kanadol,
                I have no problem with communicating in either of the
                two languages. Unfortunately, I believe you
                do. Your second sentence is a great example of how not to
                write in English.
                You should stick by your rants in Polish.

                • kanadol Re: National Post...Do ttc 30.11.01, 19:49
                  Do you have anything else to say about my previous message?
                  How about you propaganda?
                  You have nothing left but your “great” language skills.
                  • Gość: Pucio Wyjasnienie dla czytajacychw z poza Kanady IP: 216.94.245.* 30.11.01, 20:13

                    Jeden z dyskutantow w temacie ma userid kanadol.
                    W jezyku pewnej czesci Polonii kanadyjskiej slowo kanadol uzywane jest do pokazania
                    kto w Kanadzie jest kulturalnie, umyslowo lepszy. Czesto slowo kanadol poprzedzane jest
                    slowem glupi, durny, tepy. Mozna tez go uzywac osobno bez przymiotnikow. Znaczy to samo co one.
                    Odpowiada on nazywaniem Polakow polaczkami.

                    Dziekuje za uwage
                    • Gość: Debil Cos jak Kangury na Ozzies? IP: *.netcom.ca 02.03.02, 23:47
                  • Gość: ESL Re: National Post IP: 209.226.65.* 30.11.01, 20:21
                    kanadol napisał(a):

                    > Do you have anything else to say about my previous message?
                    > How about you propaganda?
                    > You have nothing left but your “great” language skills.

                    Drogi Nasz Kanadolu,
                    Przejdz na polski, nie kompromituj sie - po co? Nie kazdy musi byc perfect z
                    angielskiego.
                    A co do meritum sprawy, to w kazdej gazecie znajdziesz duza dawke propagandy, czy
                    to w "National Post", czy w "Wiadomosciach Malego Cichego". A jak sie juz poczyta
                    tu czy tam, to kazdy sobie wybiera, jak mu wygodniej - jeden woli szklanke w
                    polowie pusta, drugi w polowie pelna - to juz tak jest w tej rozbalaganionej
                    demokracji - kazdy ma to podejrzane prawo wyboru.
                    I jeszcze o czosnku, bo to mnie meczy, co napisales powyzej - mnie czosnku jesc
                    nie wolno, bo akurat mnie szkodzi ale Tobie polecam, wiekszosci ludzi robi dobrze
                    na rozne dolegliwosci. Moze i Tobie pomoze, kto wie...
                    A wciaz nie udalo Ci sie znalezc czasu na podzielenie sie swoimi metodami badan
                    genealogicznych, ktore pozwalaja Ci rozpoznawac kwestie przynaleznosci do
                    Plemienia Mojzeszowego. Badz konsekwentny - podeprzyj swoja "odwazna" teze
                    jakimis dowodami. I tak na marginesie (zeby Ci bylo latwiej z ta genealogia) -
                    moja rodzina to spolonizowani (calkiem nie tak dawno) Szwedzi i Litwini.
                    Cheers
                    • kanadol Re: National Post 30.11.01, 20:24
                      fuck off
                      • Gość: karol w. czy ty jestes ... IP: 142.108.17.* 30.11.01, 22:49
                        aryjczykiem, drogi kanadolu, czy ledwie biednym polaczkiem ? pan kanclerz
                        hitler mial takie zamiary wobec twych przodkow, widac ze sie nie udalo.
          • Gość: Kliken Re: National Post...Do ttc IP: *.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 30.11.01, 17:45
            The point is that you are S>O>B with brain damage.
            • Gość: Gatsby Re: National Post...Do ttc IP: 207.61.17.* 30.11.01, 18:28
              Gość portalu: Kliken napisał(a):

              > The point is that you are S>O>B with brain damage.


              No to tak pieknie powiedziane; potwierdza twoje zdolnosci do dyskusji.
            • Gość: Gatsby Re: National Post...Do ttc IP: 207.61.17.* 30.11.01, 19:59
              Gość portalu: Kliken napisał(a):

              > The point is that you are S>O>B with brain damage.


              No to tak pieknie powiedziane; potwierdza twoje zdolnosci do dyskusji.
              • Gość: N Re: National Post...Do Kliken IP: *.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 30.11.01, 20:23
                Kliken,would you please f/o.You are just f... polish jerk so please once again
                get lost.
    • Gość: Kliken Re: Canada - najlepsza!!!! IP: *.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 30.11.01, 23:08
      Co roku wlocze sie po swiecie z plecakiem.Za kazdym razem ludzie pytaja
      dlaczego prawie wszyscy kanadyjczycy maja naszyta flage na plecaku??? Odpowiedz
      jest jedna- bo nie musza sie swojejgo kraju wstydzic! Bo sa dumni z jego
      przeszlosci i terazniejszosci !!!Ja jestem CHOLERNIE dumny !!!
      O, Canada...
      Cheers
      • Gość: Dymsza Re: Klinken ty Komuchu IP: *.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl 01.12.01, 11:09
        Klinken przestań ludzi okłamywac. Wszyscy, którzy mieli okazję odwiedzić Kanadę
        wiedzą, że pachnie tam ŻydoKomuną. Poza tym z czego ty jesteś dumny, przecież
        twoje korzenie są w Polsce. To tak samo jakby Polak emigrujący do Niemiec lub
        Szwecji był dumny z osiągnięć nowej, przybranej ojczyzny.
        • e603432 Re: Klinken ty Komuchu 01.12.01, 15:12
          Gość portalu: Dymsza napisał(a):

          > Klinken przestań ludzi okłamywac. Wszyscy, którzy mieli okazję odwiedzić Kanadę
          >
          > wiedzą, że pachnie tam ŻydoKomuną. Poza tym z czego ty jesteś dumny, przecież
          > twoje korzenie są w Polsce. To tak samo jakby Polak emigrujący do Niemiec lub
          > Szwecji był dumny z osiągnięć nowej, przybranej ojczyzny.


          Pierdolisz Dymsza.

          Pozwol ze Ci przypomne krola Stefana Batorego. Lepszy Polak od milionow innych chociaz
          Siedmiogrodzianin. Mozna byc dumnym Kanadyjczykiem urodzonym i wychowanym w Polsce i
          odwotnie.
          • Gość: Gatsby Re: Violation of Canadian Charter of Rights...? IP: *.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com 01.12.01, 16:39




            This article was printed courtesy of Mississauga.com
            www.mississauga.com/article/full/fullview/1V0M4-5C



            Bible banned in public schools
            Bible distribution banned in schools


            Nov. 29, 2001
            Mississauga


            The Gideons Bible will no longer be distributed to Peel public schools.

            In a 7-5 decision reached Tuesday night in front of a capacity audience, the
            Peel District School Board ended the decades-old tradition.

            Sending letters home with children telling them of the availability of the free
            Gideons New Testament violates the Canadian Charter of Rights, the Ontario
            Human Rights Code and education ministry guidelines on religious practices in
            public schools, Board staff said.

            "While the letter...is not religious material, the dissemination of any faith-
            related material constitutes indirect discrimination,"

            Human Rights Officer Mary Anne MacArthur said in a report.

            She said the practice not only puts Gideons in the privileged position of
            having a "captive" audience, but involves the Board in the distribution of
            religious material and violates the spirit of guidelines that direct school
            boards not to assist or sponsor any particular religion.

            Half of the deputants implored the Board to uphold the Gideons tradition.

            "When I came to Canada 30 years ago, I looked forward to the freedom of
            expression," Mississauga parent Frank Bissoon said. "We're losing sight of our
            own Canadian heritage."

            Arthur Hoyte, a Peel teacher, said the books of Proverbs and Psalms contain
            some of the most beautiful poetry in the world.

            "This book contains the tenets on which Canada and many other great nations are
            founded," he said.

            While efforts are being made to remove the Bible from schools, books such as
            Harry Potter, "which teaches how to cast spells and how to put a hex on people,
            are required reading," Hoyte claimed.

            "It doesn't matter if it is the Talamud or the Koran," commented Arliene
            Botnick of Mississauga's Solel Congregation, "the public school is not the
            place we should be vying for our various faiths."

            While some deputants suggested the Peel Board could level the playing field by
            allowing all faith groups to distribute material through the schools,
            administering that flood of material would be problematic, said

            Associate Director of Education Judith Nyman.

            Many faiths do not believe in proselytizing and,"lack the means or inclination
            to do so," agreed Len Rudner of the Ontario region of the Canadian Jewish
            Congress.

            The Board initiated a of its policy after receiving complaints. A legal opinion
            resulted in the recommendation to ban distribution of the Bibles.

            "We have a responsibility to follow the law," said Board Vice-Chair Ruth
            Thompson, who recommended in 1984 the Board allow Gideons to continue to
            provide Bibles through the schools.

            "Now we face two (Provincial) bills that make it illegal to continue with this
            practice."

            Ward 2 Trustee Don Stephens said the Board already makes accommodations to some
            religious groups. If bible distribution was ended, "we'd be discriminating on
            the basis of religion," he argued.

            Brampton Trustee Randy Barnett noted that accommodations are made for other
            religious groups. For instance, Muslim children are appropriately allowed to
            stay together in a separate room over lunch periods during Ramadan so they
            don't have to watch their friends eat while they fast.

            "Are we now denying an affirmation of faith?" by banning bible distribution,
            Barnett asked. "Are we denying an accommodation to Christian parents?"

            Mississauga trustees in favour of ending the Bible distribution were Thompson,
            Sandy Ransom and Chair Janet McDougald. Opposed were Stephens, Rick Williams,
            Warren Kennedy and Sue McFadden.




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