Ambasada polska w USA protestuje przeciw "polsk...

Gość: pacyfista [...] IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 22.09.04, 21:07

Wiadomość została usunięta ze względu na złamanie prawa lub regulaminu.

Gość: prawdziwypacyfista agenci CIA/nicki z..pl/.se /to nie pacyfista IP: *.151.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch 22.09.04, 21:14
- Gość: pacyfista [...] IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 22.09.04, 21:27
  
  Wiadomość została usunięta ze względu na złamanie prawa lub regulaminu.
  - Gość: LEAGUE AGAINST DEF DOBRZE,ZE AMBASADA SIE OBUDZILA IP: *.sympatico.ca 23.09.04, 05:45
    
    Wiele organizacji pilnuje dobrego imienia Polakow w tym Liga. Praktycznie od
    czasu wybory Papieza Polaka , sytuacja sie unormowala. Obecnie znieslawienia sa
    przypadkowe, ale przykre. W sumie nikt tego powaznie nie traktuje. Powstaje
    pytanie dlaczego Polacy sa draznieni. Najczesciej robia to izraelskie farmy
    prawnicze. Ze strony autentycznych kacetowcow to wystepuje bardzo rzadko.
    Ostatnia proba farm parwniczych z NYC z wykorzystaniem nieudacznika Grossa
    osmieszyla autorow tej maskarady. Pomogl w tym odnaleziony pomnik Lenina. Tak
    naprawde to nikt tym sie juz nie zajmuje. W sumie dobrze, ze ambasada sie
    obudzila.

Gość: Obywatel Obóz Guantanamo na Kubie nie nazywany kubańskim ! IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 22.09.04, 21:12

Polska ambasady w Kanadzie odniosła trudny sukces. Argumentem, który trafił
do przekonania kanadyjskim oponentom brzmiał:
"W Guantanamo na Kubie też są obozy i nikt nie nazywa ich obozami kubańskimi.
Używa się wyłącznie określenia obóz amerykański."
Myślę, że ten argument zabrzmi w USA jeszcze mocniej.

Gość: antek Re: Obóz Guantanamo na Kubie nie nazywany kubańsk IP: 216.223.64.* 22.09.04, 21:47

To juz bylo wiele razy (ostatnio w TV kanadyjskiej) i zawsze tlumaczenie jest
to samo- obozy sa na terenie Polski i dlatego uzyto okreslenia "polskie", a
kazde dziecko wie ze sprostowania nikogo nie interesuja i to co zostalo
powiedziane zrobilo swoje. Dlaczego tak jest? Zydzi wiedza ze to tania i dobra
inwestycja bo blokuje wszelka krytyke polityki Izraela ( kto osmieli sie
zwrocic uwage tak ciezko doswiadcznemu narodowi!),robi sprawe eksterminacji
zydow sprawa miedzynarodowa, przynajmniej w odczuciu zwyklego telewidza ( juz
nie tylko Niemcy mordowali ale inni tez)i w przyszlosci moze sie okazac ze uda
sie to zmaterializowac czyli dostac odszkodowanie ( wiele klamstw z uplywem
czasu nabiera znamion prawdy).
- Gość: fritz To nie sa Zydi. Zobacz maja post po spodem. IP: *.adsl.solnet.ch 22.09.04, 21:52
- Gość: Janek W Kanadzie sprostowanie bylo... IP: *.sympatico.ca 22.09.04, 22:16
  
  August 31, 2004
  
  RE: CTV's Response to "Polish" Complaints
  
  Dear Canadian Broadcast Standards Council:
  
  This letter is in response to complaints filed to the Canadian Radio-television
  and Telecommunications Commission and the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council.
  
  In November 2003 a CTV News report used the phrase "Polish Ghetto for Jews." In
  April 2004 an item aired on CTV Newsnet using the phrase "Polish Camp at
  Treblinka." Complaints to CTV News about this English usage said the wording
  was offensive because it implied that Poland and Polish people were responsible
  World War Two concentration camps and ghettoes.
  
  After reviewing the issue and conferring with Polish Canadians, CTV News agrees
  with these concerns.
  
  An editorial advisory has been issued to CTV News employees instructing them
  not to use the adjective "Polish" as a geographical locator, when describing
  World War Two concentration camps or ghettoes that were built and run by Nazi
  Germany.
  
  The editorial advisory to CTV News staff restates our responsibilities;
  - to report with language this is precise and accurate.
  - to be sensitive to words or phrases that are, or might have the appearance of
  being offensive, demeaning or hurtful to a religious, ethnic or other group.
  
  If the complainants were offended by these news items, we apologize. The
  wording was unintentional and the context of the items makes it clear that Nazi
  Germany was responsible for concentration camps and ghettoes in Poland during
  World War Two.
  
  Some individuals wrote to CTV News to explain that precise wording on this
  issue is important because, with the passage of time history is often
  forgotten, or not learned at all by younger generations. CTV News also agrees
  with this point, that historical context is important to accurate reporting.
  
  The Polish community in Canada through its letters and telephone calls has been
  helpful in reviewing this issue with us.
  
  We appreciate our viewers taking the time to write and for their interest in
  CTV News.
  
  Sincerely,
  
  VIA E-MAIL
  
  Robert G. Hurst
  President
  CTV News.
  - Gość: abc Re: W Kanadzie sprostowanie bylo... IP: *.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 23.09.04, 03:42
    
    Panie Janku,
    sam Pan wie ile to trwalo, i jak bylo rogrywane, przeprosiny pojwily sie
    ukradkiem (i wygladaja na wymuszone).
    Ja tam nie jestem usatysfakcjowany.
    Nie nalezy piac ze szczescia, bo sprawa jest szersza i bolaca.
    Wystarczy poogladac ksiazki, poczytac gazety mowiace o tym, ze Polska jest
    ojczyzna obozow, itp.
    
    Ktos dobrze napisal, ze sprotowanie nie ma juz takiej sily.
    Tak dzialala propaganda CCCP.
    - Gość: Janek Co ty bredzisz czlowieku... IP: *.sympatico.ca 23.09.04, 17:15
      
      Kazde przeprosiny sa wymuszone. Ja jeste usatysfakcjonowany poniewaz to jest
      odpowiedz na moj list. Jezeli ci wszyscy 'zawodowi dzialacze polonijni' nic nie
      potrafili zrobi poprzez dziesiatki lat to to tylko swiadczy o ich mozliwosciach
      i zaangazowaniu. Oczywiscie sprawa jest szersza ale byc madrym tylko na forum
      GW drogi abc to troche za malo i wstyd. Nie odpisuj bo nie mam zamiaru wdawac
      sie w glupie i beznadziejne dyskusje.
Gość: blok11 Re: Obóz Guantanamo na Kubie nie nazywany kubańsk IP: *.proxy.aol.com 22.09.04, 21:49

Tworca "final solution" byl Reinhard Heydrich - Zyd lubiacy wodke, ktory pod
wplywem alkoholu strzelal do wlasnego odbicia w lustrze i wolal: "ty parszywy
Zydzie"
Oto prawda o obozach:
www.ourcivilisation.com/smartboard/shop/festjc/chap8.htm
A tak Zydzi traktowali Zydow podczas okupacji:
www.kki.krakow.pl/piojar/polemiki/jedwabne/getto_warsz2.html..
Gość: fritz Dobre. A co obozow polskich: to Niemcy tak walcza IP: *.adsl.solnet.ch 22.09.04, 21:51

o ich "dobre" imie. Co ciekawsze, Polacy im w tym bardzo pomagaja nie nazywajac
na tablicach miejsc kazni w Polsce przestepcow po imieniu: zamiast pisac np. "W
tym miejscu Niemcy zamordowali 530 Polakow" pisze sie: "530 Polakow zostalo
zamordowanych przez Nazistow".

Problem polega na tym, ze nikt nie zna narodu Nazistow. To przeciez nie sa
cywizlizowani Niemcy, ci paskudni nazisci. A wiec obozy nazistowskie znajduja
sie w Polsce a Polakow zna sie przeciez: polskie obozy nazistowskie
koncentracyjna. Ta nazwa jest za dluga: po prostu : POLSKIE obozy
koncentracyjne.

Jak dlugo Polacy beda taka zaklamana i tchorzliwa banda, ze nawet w Polsce nie
sa w stanie nazywac miejsc niemieckich przestepstw, miejscami przestepstw
popelnionych przez Niemcow, tak dlugo beda polskie obozy koncentracyjne.

Oczywiscie Niemcy ze wszystkich sil popieraja ta "konwencje" okreslania obozow
koncentracyjnych. Zwlaszcza, ze w Polsce tak dobrze im sie udalo!
- Gość: abc Re: Dobre. A co obozow polskich: to Niemcy tak wa IP: *.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 23.09.04, 03:45
  
  Kilka razy ogladalem film "Zakzane piosenki".
  
  I brakuje w nim kilk scen, ktore nie sa korzystne dla obrazu Niemca.
  Ktos te sceny wypucowal.
  
  Moze inaczej o obozach: obozy harcerskie bo sa na nich harcerze.

Gość: lisek KTO WYGRA WYBORY W USA IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 22.09.04, 21:14

www.psz.pl/content/view/472/2/

Gość: . Deutsche Telekom AG - jasne, ze bida z nedza, IP: *.range81-156.btcentralplus.com 22.09.04, 21:17

skoro "Szwajcar" pod niemiecki serwer na dziko sie podlacza...

Gość: pacyfistaCH Polak(Murzyn) zrobil swoje - won od stolu IP: *.151.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch 22.09.04, 21:19

w podziekowaniu za realizacje polityki pro-izraelskiego lobby z Waszyngtonu,(za
kilka mld USD polskich podatnikow) Polska otrzymuje od pro-rzadowych mass-
mediow cios w gebe.. za to odpowiedziec powinni agenci Izraela w Polsce:
Kwasniewski, Siwiec, Szmajdzinski, bracia Kaczynscy etc. etc. www.panstwozla.pl

Gość: tse-tse To nie jest przypadek, to jest konsekwentna akcja! IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 22.09.04, 21:23

Czy wiecie kto wywolal 2. wojne swiatowa:
to nie Niemcy ja wywolali, to wywolali ja
tzw "Nazi". Otoz ci Nazi przybyli nie wiadomo skad
(tak jak UFO) a po wojnie rozplyneli sie (we mgle chyba).
Na wprowadzenie tego wygodnego dla Niemcow terminu
do historii poszlo wiele miliardow marek.
Najbardziej pojetne we wdrazaniu terminu "Nazi"
i dalszych konsekwencji tego uzytecznego pojecia
okazaly sie srodowiska amerykanskich Zydow
kontrolujace prase w USA. Stad "polskie obozy
koncentracyjne" itd itp. Znam jednego Polaka w
Providence. Odpowiada on na kazdy taki numer
w amerykanskiej prasie i - prawde mowiac - wypelnia
to mu prawie cale zycie pozazawodowe. To nie sa przypadki -
- to jest na zimno prowadzona systematyczna akcja.

Mam wiele dobrych znajomych Zydow (w Izraelu i Europie)
i jest mi smutno pisac te slowa - naprawde smutno!

Gość: Katolik Polski KAMELEON Z NEOPLUS JEST JUZ NA KAZDYM FORUM IP: *.dip.t-dialin.net 22.09.04, 21:33

Niedlugo zabraknie ci nickow.A co powiedziec jak przyjdzie rachunek
za internet.A moze masz sponsora w GW?

Gość: Katolik Polski Nie podszywaj sie gnoju pode mnie IP: *.com 22.09.04, 22:00

Tylko ja jest Prawdziwym Katolikiem Polskim.
Gość: . Neostrada to broadband... IP: *.range81-156.btcentralplus.com 22.09.04, 22:44

lolo11 zydowski oboz w Oswiecimiu 22.09.04, 22:16

To nie polski, nie nazistowski lecz zydowski oboz. Byl przeznaczony wylacznie
dla zydow (bynajmniej tak sami twierdza).

Gość: sprostowanie Re: obóz w Oswiecimiu - był zbudowany dla Polaków IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 23.09.04, 10:38

Żydów zaczeto zwozić do Óświęcimia dopiero później, gdy akcja tępienia tej
krętaczej nacji przez "Nazistów", nabrała rozmachu.
- Gość: Karol Re: obóz w Oswiecimiu - był zbudowany dla Polaków IP: 5.5R* / *.wlfdle.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com 23.09.04, 16:35
  
  Meerkat, nie udawaj glupa. przeciez tu chodzi o nazwe. A jak sobie czytelnicy z
  interpretuja to ich sprawa. A wiec zydowskie bo byli tam zydzi. A kogo to
  obchodzi czy w Polsce, czy mialo byc dla Polakow. Byli zydzi wiec ZYDOWSKIE i
  koniec dyskusji.

Gość: chala Gdzie te obozy leza? Nie w Polsce? IP: *.rdu.bellsouth.net 22.09.04, 22:17

moze zrzeknijcie sie sewerennosci nad tymi obozami i protestujcie.

Gość: blok11 Re: Gdzie te obozy leza? Nie w Polsce? IP: *.proxy.aol.com 22.09.04, 22:36

Karmelitanki zostaly z obozu sila usuniete przez "demokratow".
Tworca "final solution" byl Reinhard Heydrich - Zyd lubiacy wodke, ktory pod
wplywem alkoholu strzelal do wlasnego odbicia w lustrze i wolal: "ty parszywy
Zydzie"
Oto prawda o obozach:
www.ourcivilisation.com/smartboard/shop/festjc/chap8.htm
A tak Zydzi traktowali Zydow podczas okupacji:
www.kki.krakow.pl/piojar/polemiki/jedwabne/getto_warsz2.html..
- Gość: chala Re: Gdzie te obozy leza? Nie w Polsce? IP: *.rdu.bellsouth.net 22.09.04, 22:42
  
  jak definiujesz Zydow, Polakow, Niemcow? Prymitywnie, jak Ados H, podejrzewam.
  Nie widzialem Zydow chodzacych do kosciola modlic sie. jak sie maja twoi
  szmalcownicy?
  - Gość: psychiatra a ja podejrzewam .... IP: *.proxy.aol.com 22.09.04, 22:48
    
    ze przydalby sie psychiatra dla psy..chala
  - Gość: Do Chali... Re: Gdzie te obozy leza? Nie w Polsce? IP: *.amsnet.pl / *.amsnet.pl 22.09.04, 23:12
    
    Mądry wie, co mówi. Głupi mówi, co wie! Lepiej nie odzywać się wcale i wydać
    się głupim niż odezwać się i rozwiać wszelkie wątpliwości.
    - Gość: chala a jakie kryteria masz madrosci? IP: *.rdu.bellsouth.net 22.09.04, 23:53
      
      belkot jaki pokazales? moze bys pomyslal samodzielniie?
      - Gość: Do Chali Re: a jakie kryteria masz madrosci? IP: *.amsnet.pl / *.amsnet.pl 23.09.04, 10:01
        
        Nie chcę zniżać się do Twego poziomu, Chala. Panuję nad tym, bo myślę, a Ty nie!
Gość: Karol Re: Kto byl w tych obozach jak nie zydzi! IP: 5.5R* / *.wlfdle.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com 22.09.04, 22:43

Wiec zydowskie obozy! Chyba ze tam zydow nie bylo!
Gość: . Niestety, chala, ambasador zna angielski lepiej IP: *.range81-156.btcentralplus.com 22.09.04, 22:49

od ciebie - Polish nie oznacza li tylko przynaleznosci geograficznej, pole
semantyczne tego slowa istotnie jest daleko szersze. I dlatego na Wyspach
przyjelo sie mowic "Nazi...camps in Poland", by nie prowadzic do nieporozumien.
A gdy ktos cos takiego pusci, to musi przepraszac jak Howard i tlumaczyc sie
publicznie, co mial na mysli.
Gość: Janek chala ty stara zdiro. Nadajesz sie do ... IP: *.sympatico.ca 22.09.04, 22:53

wypier*lenia ale przez okno.
Gość: Artur Re: Gdzie te obozy leza? Nie w Polsce? IP: *.dsl.telesp.net.br 22.09.04, 23:40

Odpowiadam Tobie Chalo:
Tak, masz racje, obozy znajduja sie na terenie Polski, ale nie sa polskimi
obozami. Tak samo jak fabryki Coca-Coli pod W-wa nie sa polskimi fabrykami. Tak
jak ambasady przeróznych krajów, pomimo ze sie znajduja w Polsce, nie sa
polskimi ambasadami. To tylko kwestia logiki lingwistycznej.
Trzeba miec duzo zlej woli aby tego malego przejezyczenia nie dostrzec. Trzeba
byc bardzo "roztrzepanym" w tajnikach historii aby tego niuansu nie zauwazyc.
Oczywiscie ze jest to celowe, swiadome, cyniczne i bardzo niepoprawne. Pwiem
nawet - bardzo fe!
Komu to sluzy? Nie bede sie bawil w oskarzanie Zydów, Niemców, Amerykanów czy
tez zwyklych ignorantów. Aby rzucic blotem trzeba sie ponizyc. Lepiej aby
polska dyplomacja zareagowala z wielkim hukiem, na calego. To jest skandal i
tak musi byc podany amerykanskiej/swiatowej opinii publicznej - aby sie jej juz
nigdy wiecej nie pomylilo kto jest odpowiedzialny za tak slowiansko brzmiacy
kacik na mapie cmentarzysk: Auschwitz-Birkenau.

Gość: Janek Cos do poczytania... IP: *.sympatico.ca 22.09.04, 22:18

Ciekawy artykul do przeczytania. Niczego nie sugeruje ale czytajac prosze
zwrocic uwage na to co sie dzieje w midiach w USA, Europie, w Niemczech i w
Polsce z pamiecia o Drugiej Wojnie Swiatowej, Holocauscie, i ciaglego
doprawiania geby Polakom przez zydow i ziomkow. Postarajcie sie zrozumiec
Jedwabne, Grossa i Anne Bikont w tym kontekscie itd. itp. i tym co jest
napisane w tym artykule. Doczytajcie do konca.
www.nytimes.com/2004/09/05/business/yourmoney/05sab.html?hp--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Dla tych co nie maja chasla do NYT.

By ANDREW ROSS SORKIN

Published: September 5, 2004
LOS ANGELES

HAIM SABAN, one of the nation's richest and most improbable media magnates, was
slouched in a leather seat aboard his Gulfstream jet during a trip from Los
Angeles to New York this spring, rattling on about his support for Israel.
After devouring a bagel covered in lox, he leaned forward and launched into his
favorite story from the Democratic presidential primaries.

"Did I tell you what Howard Dean told me?" he asked, knowing full well that he
had not, at least not yet today. "Do you know how he tells me that he is going
to support Israel?" he recounted, with a look of incredulity. "He tells
me, 'Don't you know my wife is Jewish?' "

Mr. Saban, 59, let out a sharp laugh, pausing for effect, before delivering his
punch line. "Do you know what I told him? I said, 'Governor, the fact that your
wife is Jewish is your problem.' "

A self-described "cartoon schlepper," Mr. Saban became a billionaire by turning
the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers into a global franchise that he merged with
Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation and, in 2001, sold to the Walt Disney Company
for $5.3 billion. He has since emerged as perhaps the most politically
connected mogul in Hollywood, throwing his weight and money around Washington
and, increasingly, the world, trying to influence all things Israeli.

"I'm a one-issue guy and my issue is Israel," he said in his first extensive
interview in years.

To that end, he has become one of the largest individual donors in the country
to the Democratic Party and its candidates, giving millions over the past
decade - $7 million in just one donation to the Democratic National Committee
in 2002. He recently had Senator John Kerry over to his chateau-style home in
Beverly Hills. ("We played guitar and kibitzed," he said.) He regularly spends
hours at a time on the phone with Ariel Sharon, the Israeli prime minister. He
vacations with Bill Clinton.

At the same time, Mr. Saban has been bidding - or at least kicking the tires -
on media properties around the world as he looks to expand his empire and, by
extension, his political reach.

But what really has people talking in Hollywood and Washington is his most
ambitious project yet: he is the proud owner of the largest television
broadcaster in Germany. "I know, I know. I get the irony," he said with a smile.

A year ago, Mr. Saban beat out his one-time partner, Mr. Murdoch, and many
other media titans to buy the broadcaster, ProSiebenSat.1 Media, putting him in
control of a company that owns the rough equivalent of CBS, ABC, TBS and
Nickelodeon.

"That level of ownership would never be allowed in the U.S.," he
acknowledged. "It would be too much concentration."

Since taking over the broadcaster, he has turned it around - cutting costs and
sending it American hits like "The OC," a Fox Network series about teenage
tribulations, and "Nip/Tuck," a drama centered in a plastic surgery clinic. Not
only is the company making money, but Mr. Saban may finally be shaking a
reputation that has long dogged him: that he has gone further on luck than
talent.

"It's easy to be jealous of someone like Haim," said Peter Chernin, president
and chief executive of the News Corporation. "But I think the Germany situation
has the potential to be not just a financial score but serve as the cornerstone
of something bigger."

That, Mr. Saban readily acknowledged, is the plan. As one of the richest people
in Hollywood, he hears about possible deals constantly. He is toying with the
idea of buying The Jerusalem Post from Hollinger International, which has been
canvassing for buyers. "If they ever come to earth with the price, I would be
interested in it," he said.

He has also stirred controversy in Britain, where he publicly expressed
interest in buying ITV, the country's biggest commercial network, while
accusing its competitors, BBC News and Sky News, the news arm of the pay-TV
provider British Sky Broadcasting, of pro-Arab coverage.

Of course, not every deal has panned out. Last year, he joined a consortium led
by Edgar Bronfman Jr. that was bidding on Warner Music, only to drop out at the
11th hour, worried that the group was overpaying. Now that Warner Music is on
an upswing, it looks as if he may have missed an opportunity. But Mr. Saban
says he has moved on.

"I don't even think about it," he said.

Mr. Saban said he had other deals up his sleeve, but he refused to tip his
hand. You can count on him to pursue them tirelessly. "I don't play golf and I
don't collect stamps,'' he said. "I don't ride horses. I don't go mountain
hiking, I don't go star gazing. I don't do any of that."

Don't bother asking him what his hobby is. "I have none. Zero. It's my family
and work."

Mr. Saban's path to moguldom has certainly been unusual. He was born in Egypt
but fled to Tel Aviv with his parents, his brother and his grandmother after
the 1956 Suez War. Struggling to get by, the family lived in a one-room
apartment and shared a bathroom, he recalled, "with a hooker and a pimp."

Gość: Janek Dlaczego moderator skasowal moje 2 posty? IP: *.sympatico.ca 22.09.04, 23:25

To jest tylko czesc artykulu. Nastepne dwa poste to byla kontynuacja.
Gość: Janek Re: Cos do poczytania... ciag dalszy 2 IP: *.sympatico.ca 22.09.04, 23:28

As a teenager, he took up the bass guitar and began managing bands and
promoting concerts. But his business was wiped out by the 1973 Yom Kippur War
and he decided to move to Paris with his business partner, Shuki Levy.

HIS big break came soon after that. While vacationing in Tel Aviv, he got a
call from a producer in Paris who wanted one of Mr. Saban's clients, Noam
Kaniel, a child singer, to record the theme song for a cartoon
called "Goldorak," which was wildly popular in France in the 70's. So he flew
back to France and headed to the studio.

"It was just one of the worst songs I ever heard in my life," he recalled. "But
we schlepped all the way there so I said, 'Let's do it so we can get out of
here and get back to the pool at the Sheraton in Tel Aviv.' " About a month
later, Mr. Saban got a copy of the master and a bill for $2,000 from the
producer.

"I said: 'I do you a favor and you want $2,000. I don't want the master,' '' he
remembered. "So now I'm schlepping around to record companies looking for
someone to give me a licensing deal and pay me an advance of $2,000. But the
song is so awful nobody wants to give it to me, nobody. So I find this guy at
CBS just out of school who is willing to just ship a few hundred copies."

When "Goldorak" became hugely successful, its theme song started selling, and
those few hundred copies soon turned into 3.5 million.

During that process, he had his eureka moment. Because he owned the master
recording for the TV program, he collected all of the profit. "I found out on a
TV deal all the money came to me, not to the record company,'' he said. "On a
licensing deal you only get 20 percent. I was swimming in money. I didn't know
what to do with myself. Everything went whoosh from there."

He and his partner started releasing music soundtracks in France for television
shows like "Dallas" and "Knots Landing." In late 1983, Mr. Saban moved to Los
Angeles and began writing and producing cartoon soundtracks, though not always
with much success.

"When I moved to this country in 1983, you can rest assured that they weren't
waiting in lines to meet me and see me and make deals with me," he said. "Did I
wait for hours for a cartoon producer to see me so I could play him some of our
music and after hours his assistant would come out and say, 'Well, he won't be
able to see you today'? Yes."

Soon, however, he was on a roll. He wrote the theme song for the cartoon series
that eventually became the Disney movie "Inspector Gadget," for example, and
then bought the television rights to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles from the
creators of the comic book characters. The television program became an
overnight sensation.

Then, in 1985, on a business trip to Tokyo, he hit gold in a room at the
Imperial Hotel. "They have all these crazy game shows on and I didn't
understand anything and then this thing came on," he said, referring to a
children's cartoon show known as "Dinosaur Task Force Zyuranger."

"I said: 'Oh my God. Oh my God.' It was fascinating. I thought it was magical.
It was incredible."

For half a million dollars - "which is not nothing," he noted - he bought the
rights to broadcast the program outside of Asia. After eight years of begging
and pleading, he finally persuaded the News Corporation's Fox Network to
broadcast the show, renamed "The Mighty Morphin Power Rangers," in the summer
of 1993. It was an instant hit.

With the hottest children's show in the world on his hands, Mr. Saban formed a
joint venture with Fox in 1996. It turned out to be a shrewd move. The next
year, the venture acquired the Family Channel from its founder, Pat Robertson,
for $1.9 billion and turned it into the Fox Family Channel. Four years later,
Michael D. Eisner, the Disney chief executive, negotiated a deal to buy the
channel for Disney for $5.3 billion.

THE deal is considered one of Mr. Eisner's worst, one that he has acknowledged
as a drag on his company. But Mr. Saban walked away with some $2 billion for
himself. "People say they overpaid,'' Mr. Saban said. "Beauty is in the eye of
the beholder. I will be very honest with you and this may sound somewhat
arrogant - I will tell you that I ended up with about a half-billion less than
what I thought I could have gotten for those assets."

In any event, some of the proceeds from that sale helped to underwrite Mr.
Saban's relatively newfound passion: politics.

(Page 3 of 4)

He said he caught the political bug in the mid-1990's, when he felt that
support for Israel was slipping in the United States. He and his wife, Cheryl
(who, by the way, is not Jewish), slept in the White House several times during
President Clinton's two terms. And Mr. Saban has remained close to the former
president.

"Haim Saban has been a very good friend, supporter and adviser to me," Mr.
Clinton said in an e-mail message. "I am grateful for his commitment to Israel,
to a just and lasting peace in the Middle East and to my foundation's work,
particularly on reconciliation issues."

Mr. Clinton might have added that he is also grateful for Mr. Saban's
commitment to the Democratic Party, including his $7 million donation two years
ago, the largest individual donation in its history.

While Mr. Saban is a vocal opponent of President Bush - "I think Bush is just
messing it up every day more" - he supports some of Mr. Bush's policies. "On
the issues of security and terrorism I am a total hawk," he said. "I'm a
Democrat for the reinforcement of the Patriot Act. It's not strong enough. The
A.C.L.U. can eat their heart out, but they are living in the 1970's. We should
all have ID's. You betcha. What do you have to hide? Some friends of mine on
the left side think I'm crazy."

Why is he so supportive of Israel? "I hate quoting Tom DeLay, I really do," Mr.
Saban said. "If you're going to quote me quoting Tom DeLay, say I hate quoting
him." He continued, apparently quoting Mr. DeLay, the House Republican
leader: "He said: 'It is the right thing for us to do to be supportive of
Israel. The reasons go back to the beginning of time.' "

Mr. Saban's views on the matter are straightforward. He is a tireless
cheerleader for Israel. But when it comes to conflict there, his views are
hardly sanguine. "I'm going to make a very controversial statement and I hope
to God that I am proven totally wrong: I think that any resolution will have to
go both on the Palestinian side and Israeli side to some form of civil war.
It's not going to be without spilling blood."

In 2002, he pledged $13 million to start a research organization at the
Brookings Institution called the Saban Center for Middle East Policy. ("I've
heard from leaders on both sides of the aisle in the United States and leaders
in Europe about what Sharon shouldn't do," he said. "I've haven't heard one
educated suggestion about what he should do.") Mr. Saban spends hours every
week drumming up support for a variety of charitable causes and, especially,
for Israel, sponsoring lunches and dinners at his home and around the country
to raise money for candidates who he believes will support his cause. "He has
no hesitation to bang on your door for a cause he believes in," said Ron Meyer,
president of Universal Studios, who called Mr. Saban one of the few guys "who
puts his money where his mouth is."
- Gość: Janek Re: Cos do poczytania... ciag dalszy 3 IP: *.sympatico.ca 22.09.04, 23:29
  
  n a faxed letter, Mr. Sharon said of Mr. Saban: "To me he will always be a dear
  personal friend. Haim Saban is a great American citizen and a man who always
  stood by Israel and the Jewish people in times of need. His contribution to
  strengthening ties between Israel and American political leaders from all
  parties has been quite remarkable and outstanding.''
  
  So how did Mr. Saban wind up putting so much of his money in Germany?
  
  In 2002, Leo Kirch's empire, KirchMedia, the largest media company in Europe,
  went bankrupt. Flush with cash from the sale of Fox Family to Disney, Mr. Saban
  was scouring for deals and sensed an opportunity. "These kind of assets people
  don't go around selling," he said. "At a normal time we wouldn't have had a
  prayer in hell."
  
  BY his own account, the timing was perfect. "There was a very small window of
  opportunity where every single studio had its own issues," he said, and his
  rivals, thus distracted, were not in a good position to bid against him. Mr.
  Murdoch never had his heart in the auction because he was working on his deal
  for DirecTV. Time Warner was still struggling with its acquisition of AOL.
  Viacom could not get enthusiastic about the deal. And Disney was still
  struggling with the purchase of Fox Family, renamed ABC Family.
  
  "Our biggest advantage was that we had the cash but no business," Mr. Saban
  said. "These assets really should have been bought by one of the majors as an
  outlet for their programming in Europe." Indeed, he is now among the biggest
  single buyers of Hollywood programming outside of the United States.
  
  (Page 4 of 4)
  
  In Germany, foreign entrepreneurs like John C. Malone, chief executive of the
  Liberty Media Group, have failed in efforts to buy assets, perhaps because
  their cavalier attitude created problems with regulators. Mr. Saban sweet-
  talked them. He also used some of his political influence, asking the American
  ambassador to put in a good word for him.
  
  Mr. Saban has not been shy about calling on his political friends to help sell
  advertising, too. This year, he invited Germany's most prominent advertising
  executives to his home in Los Angeles for dinner with Mr. Clinton. The
  executives, he said, were stunned.
  
  "These people never saw Leo Kirch in their life," Mr. Saban said. "They never
  saw him. And now the new owner all of a sudden has them in his home with Bill
  Clinton speaking to them."
  
  Mr. Saban remembers precisely where he was when he clinched the deal for
  ProSiebenSat.1: on his cellphone, as he was standing in the middle of the
  former concentration camp at Dachau, where he and his family had gone to
  visit. "I found it kind of interesting, to say the least, that the timing and
  the geography all came together the way they did," he said.
  
  Investing in Germany was an easier decision for him than some people might
  imagine, he said. "I'm not suggesting we ignore what happened in Germany 50
  years ago," he said, "but I am suggesting that we don't allow it to keep us
  from going into the future."
  
  He added that the German government had been very supportive of him, but not
  because of his history. "There have been all kinds of theories because of the
  fact that I'm an Israeli-American and the like,'' he said. "I don't think so. I
  think it's a pure economic issue."
  
  Well, maybe not all economics. Haim Saban "is not like one of the guys just
  assembling trophy properties," said Steven Rattner, the managing director of
  the Quadrangle Group, an investment firm that backed Mr. Saban in
  ProSiebenSat.1. "He'd rather be considered a mogul in Germany than here,'' Mr.
  Rattner said. "He thinks Germany is critical to Israel."

Gość: Janek Wy wszyscy jestescie dobrzy ale... IP: *.sympatico.ca 22.09.04, 22:45

na gumowe cyce i do wypisywania bredni. Jak przyjdzie cos do zrobienia to kazdy
du*e w kupe i cicho sza.

Gość: . Janku, niestety Polakow w Polsce nie obchodza IP: *.range81-156.btcentralplus.com 22.09.04, 22:54

przecieki z Gieldy Londynskiej, ze GW i Agora ma ciche acz dominujace udzialy
koncernu Bertelsmanna...

Gość: abc Jaki jest e-mail do "Washington Post"? IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 22.09.04, 23:11

Szanowni Internauci,

Niech Ci ktorzy uwazaja ze sformuowanie
"polski oboz koncentracyjny" to Swinstwo,
dzialaja solidarnie.

Piszmy e-maile z protestami do "Washington Post"!

Czy ktos zna e-mailowy adres tej gazety?

Pozdrawiam.

Gość: abc Re: Jaki jest e-mail do "Washington Post"? IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 23.09.04, 00:02

Czy naprawde nikt nie moze pomoc?
- Gość: Gerard Wielkie gazety maja swoj wlasny dzial" Care". IP: *.detroit-19rh15rt.mi.dial-access.att.net 23.09.04, 01:55
  
  Musisz wejsc na ich strone washingtonpost.com. Znajdziesz 'contact us' dzial.

Gość: kibic Re: Ambasada polska w USA protestuje przeciw "pol IP: *.dial.allstream.net 23.09.04, 00:56

Wszystkich zydow nalezy wywiezc z USA do Guantanamo Bay.Im ciagle malo.Jednak
maja respekt przed niemcami,co niemcy zrobili przyklejaja Polsce.Kiedys bedzie
prezydent w USA /moze juz sie urodzil,lub zrobia prezydentem nie urodzonego w
USA/,ktory powie dosc popierania tych parszywych lub giniecia za nich.Wtedy
parszywcy dowiedza sie jak ich kocha caly swiat i gdzie ich miejsce
jest.Przestana wykrzywiac historie i geografie.

Gość: Gerard Wejdz na watek: "Grupa islamska twierdzi..."to sie IP: *.detroit-19rh15rt.mi.dial-access.att.net 23.09.04, 01:58

dowiesz co Polacy sadza o USA i prezydencie. Zrozumiesz moze dlaczego
Amerykanie wola Zydow niz Polakow. Przeczytaj sobie inne posty "pacyfisty" to
dowiesz sie jeszcze wiecej.

Gość: Gerard Ciekawe co amabasada odpowie po otrzymaniu IP: *.detroit-19rh15rt.mi.dial-access.att.net 23.09.04, 01:34

postow "pacyfisty".

Gość: Gerard Ambasada polska w USA otrzyma moj protest. IP: *.detroit-19rh15rt.mi.dial-access.att.net 23.09.04, 01:44

I nie tylko.

Gość: Janek To znaczy ze jestes za falszowaniem historii. IP: *.sympatico.ca 23.09.04, 02:42

Gość: Janek To znaczy ze jestes za falszowaniem historii. IP: *.sympatico.ca 23.09.04, 02:41

Gość: SABAŁA DO 1945 OŚWIĘCIM BYŁ W 3-ej RZESZY, A NIE W GG !! IP: *.cg.shawcable.net 23.09.04, 04:12

Gość: Tepak Tepe lby ci amerykanie IP: *.telia.com 23.09.04, 05:52

Tepaki, pucybuty. Nie rozrozniaja prostych faktow oprocz Big mack z frytkami
czy bez. Grube propagandowe dupy.

Gość: Atlantyk Celowe i świadome kłamstwo IP: *.urpl.gov.pl / 62.233.201.* 23.09.04, 09:02

Przekazywanie w mediach za oceanem informacji o plskich obozach
koncentracyjnych nie jest żadną pomyłką. To część trwającej od dawna
zorganizowanej kampanii, majacej na celu oplucie Polski i maksymalne
ograniczenie i tak minimalnych korzyści, wynikających z bezkrytycznego
zaangażowania się naszych władz po stronie USA. Znajoma businesswoman pracująca
na wysokim, międzynarodowym szczeblu opowiadała mi o wystąpieniu Busha w
Sacramento sprzed ok. roku, kiedy uspokajał audytorium, że Polska nie ma szans
na żadne realne korzyści ze strony USA, z tytułu udziału w operacji irackiej. O
tym oczywiście polska prasa ani telewizja nie mówiły, chociaż mienią się
mediami niezależnymi. W telewizji brylował natomiast w owym czasie ambasador
Szewach Weiss, fetowany jak prawdziwa hollywoodzka gwiazda. I tak nic to nie
pomogło. Polska, a raczej ci którzy nią rządzą, w dużej mierze sami zapracowali
na taki sposób traktowania naszego kraju za granicą. Kto sam siebie nie
szanuje, nie może się spodziewać szacunku od innych.

toja3003 no coz takich mamy amerykanskich sojusznikow... 23.09.04, 11:00

Gość: igor Tepi Amerykanie a inteligentni Polacy. Gdzie mlodz IP: *.detroit-19rh16rt-20rh15rt.mi.dial-access.att.net 23.09.04, 14:38

iez polska chce zyc? W Polsce? GW pisalo na ten temat kilka razy wiec nie chce
powtarzac tych samych danych. Po co jednak bezwizowy wjazd jest potrzebny
inteligentnym Polakom do tepej Ameryki?
- Gość: Żyd_wymyślaKłamstw OBRONĘ GODNOŚCI POLAKA, trzeba zacząć od Żyda ! IP: *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl 24.09.04, 16:32
  
  Procedura jest prosta. Złapać Żyda na kolejnym kłamstwie szkalującym Polaków
  i kazać mu zjeść napisany fałszywy artykuł.
  Nie pozwolić na popijanie wodą, Żyd ma nadmiar śliny, opluwa nieustannie.

Gość: Adam Jak wiadomo na przykładzie Iraku IP: 195.185.151.* 26.09.04, 12:16

Polska to typowy kraj pacyfistów - jak Szwajcaria np. Kto uwierzy patrząc na nasze poczynania, że faktycznie jest inaczej?

Gość: !!! Re: Ambasada polska w USA protestuje przeciw "pol IP: 195.152.54.* 26.09.04, 13:24

a ja jestem ciekawy, jakie jest zdanie edytorow gw?

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