idiom!?help needed

[craick]

hiya;

completely new to your cosy place here
hello to all
im Polish living in the UK

someone I know is looking for a translation of Polish idiom
and I can't help
tried to explain it to my English colleagues at work (successfully), asked
for English equivalent - unsuccessfully

wyrzykac sie/zarzekac sie jak zaba blota

it's about a frog and a mud
frog doesn't want to admit it comes from mud -first version (so it's about
roots)
but not only - it's used in situations when someone says - no, i'd never do
this and then something happens - and they do it despite the fact the've
always been saying 'no'

any ideas?
something is ring the bell but can't pinpoint it
am I making a sense here?

[craick]

and one more thing - my 'craick' is a mix between craic and krak(ow)
conscious 'mistake'

[usenetposts]

I don't get it. Frogs don't "come from mud" they come from tadpoles. The
lifecycle of a frog is spawn, tadpole, froglet, frog, hibernation, amplexus,
spawn again. No mud is even required for this.

[craick]

(btw - there should be 'is ringing'or 'rings' above - my mistake)

the 'mud' bit is about the place they live (usually) - ok - you may argue it's
a pond
Polish idiom doesn't say anything about their life cycle

You only live twice, or so it seems...

[usenetposts]

You know, they are "amphibians" and that is Greek for "ambos" meaning "both"
and "bios" meaning life.

So they need BOTH places to live - both water and land - but not BOTH AT THE
SAME TIME. It is supposed to be a cycle.

Mud is an attempt to have land and water at the same time, and get the best of
everything. You try to have it all ... and you end up with slush.

I expect Polish frogs do that mud thing more than other countries' frogs
because in Poland it is all about having your cake and eating it too.

You guys have BOTH birthdays AND namedays
You have BOTH normal houses AND summer houses
You have BOTH normal jobs AND do moonlighting
You have BOTH -30 degrees AND +30 degrees in one place in one year
You have BOTH Mikolajki AND Boze Narodzenie
You have BOTH pierwsze AND drugie sniadanie
You have BOTH chrzest AND pierwsza komunia ... for little kids!
You have BOTH friends AND "colleagues"
You have BOTH wives AND girlfriends


The country is at the same time BOTH poor and asking for handouts, AND has
people driving around in bigger cars and living in bigger houses than most
parts of Europe

I never knew a nation such as this for not only having it all, but also having
it every which way too.

When asked did he marry his wife out of love or for money, the archtypal Pole
says BOTH. "Out of love .... for money".

And the typical answer, when given a choice between two, seems to be "i to, i
drugie"!

[craick]

omg! usenetposts!

i didn't expect a lesson

you forgot to add we have both - lot of people with general knowledge and/but
lack of specialists

i do not have a summer house, I don't do moonlighting, I dont do breakfsts, and
Im very mono lol

but going back to my question - I assume you don't have the equivalent?

...one life for yourself, and one for your genes.

[usenetposts]

craick napisała:

> omg! usenetposts!

Steady on, I am a mere man, as thou art.

>
> i didn't expect a lesson

I'm not giving you one. I'm giving you a discussion. Did you expect a
discussion?

>
> you forgot to add we have both - lot of people with general knowledge and/but
> lack of specialists
>

Heh. I see you're getting into the swing of things.

> i do not have a summer house, I don't do moonlighting, I dont do breakfsts,
and
>

You don't do moonlighting and breakfasts, you don't have a dom lotniskowy?

What kind of Polish guy are you?

> Im very mono lol

You've gone and gone native in that there merrye England, that you have.

>
> but going back to my question - I assume you don't have the equivalent?

The equivalent of frogs saying that they don't live in mud? Our frogs do other
things.

Our frog, he would a-wooing go, for instance, whether his mother would let him
or no. I bet you don't got no equivalents of the wooing frog?

We have two songs about it,one is the "Hey Ho said Roley" song, and the other
goes "a froggy went a courting and he did ride, a sword and a pistol by his
side".

The Danes, they have frogs who turn into princes when they get kissed, which is
a bit, you know, Scandynavian, and in Poland you've got frogs who deny coming
form the mud when no-one said they did in the first place, which is very Polish
in type, really. I think everyone gets the frog they deserve.

And had Kate Bush sang her Russian song to a frog "Laygushka" not to a
grandmother "Babushka" she at least would have gotten the stres on the correct
syllable.

And will someone tell Kate Mehlua that's not how you pronounce "Beijing"?

[craick]

Did you expect a
> discussion?

my second name

> Heh. I see you're getting into the swing of things.
sometimes im successful thinker

> What kind of Polish guy are you?

mere Polish woman

> You've gone and gone native in that there merrye England, that you have.
quite like it here - and I am very adaptable person


> Our frogs do other
> things.
i believe it's a call of nature -Polish frogs do the same

> Our frog, he would a-wooing go, for instance, whether his mother would let
him
> or no. I bet you don't got no equivalents of the wooing frog?
haven't you checked it yet?

> The Danes, they have frogs who turn into princes when they get kissed, which
is
>
> a bit, you know, Scandynavian, and in Poland you've got frogs who deny coming
> form the mud when no-one said they did in the first place, which is very
Polish
>
> in type, really. I think everyone gets the frog they deserve.
then i deserve a prince - like Danes

> And had Kate Bush sang her Russian song to a frog "Laygushka" not to a
> grandmother "Babushka" she at least would have gotten the stres on the
correct
> syllable.
>
> And will someone tell Kate Mehlua that's not how you pronounce "Beijing"?
>
lol

shall i send her a letter?

hope you all will enjoy the weekend
it's windy here -and - surprise surprise - rainy

[ja_karola]

"never is a long word (or day)" is what I found for "nie trzeba sie nigdy
zarzekac".
And how would you translate the following? "Konia kuja, zaba noge podstawia."
It fits like a glove to one particular Polish politician: A. Lepper.

[craick]

heard good one, quite close I think - have you seen pig flying/and pigs might
fly

re: yours - no idea!
(love-idioms-not <wink>

[ja_karola]

Yes, I heard the flying pigs one, but I believe it to be similar to the
Polish "na Swietego Dygdy...czyli nigdy". Basically, something (rather
impossible) will happen when the pigs start flying! Hahaha! Pretty good, eh?

As for the horse/frog one I listed in my previous posting, it refers to an
unqualified person who pretends to be doing the job or to be involved in the
work of another who is more qualified. The Lepper example still stands.

I don't know if an English equivalent exists, but it surely must. Anyone?