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Polish emigration conspiracy theory

02.06.06, 14:57
A lot of Poles have emigrated to the UK and Ireland recently, including a lot
of my friends, and good luck to them.
But.
The Polish media seem obsessed with how cool and funky it is in the West, and
that the streets are paved with jobs. Every time the UK minimum wage
increases by 5 pence, it's headline news on Radio Trójka.
The worst, though, is the Wyborcza.
In the K-ce edition, whenever they advertise a Celtic folk concert, they
never miss the chance to say that "Poland shares more with Scotland and
Ireland than the exciting job opportunities for our young people."
There was a lack of maths teachers in Scottish secondary schools, and they
didn't rule out recruiting teachers from abroad, so the GW immediately wrote
that "Poles could soon be teaching English in Scotland!"
The Scottish Police Officers Association (or whatever it's called, but it's
got nothing to do with recruitment to the regional police forces) announced
recently that it was setting up liaison offices in Eastern Europe, and those
wacky surrealists in the Polish media immediately announced "Poles could soon
be patrolling the streets of Scotish towns!" On the recruitment pages of the
Police Forces' own websites it still says you have to have been resident in
the UK for 3 years.
Equally absurd is the frequent claim that further education in Scotland is
for some bizarre reason free for Poles.
They seem obsessed with making people emigrate, but why?
It's at best a short-term solution to unemployment - in the early 70s the UK
government still subsidised poor people to bugger off to the Southern
Hemisphere (10 quid it cost), and mass unemployment only became a problem in
the late 70s. It's obvious that if 10% of the population of a town emigrates,
then 10% of the shops will shut, 10% of the chip shops and cinemas will
become unnecessary, and 10% fewer buses will be needed.

Emigration is a good thing for people in bad economic circumstances, but it
doesn't help the Polish economy, so why encourage it?
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    • nasza_maggie Re: Polish emigration conspiracy theory 02.06.06, 15:20

      > A lot of Poles have emigrated to the UK and Ireland recently, including a lot
      > of my friends, and good luck to them.
      > But.
      > The Polish media seem obsessed with how cool and funky it is in the West, and
      > that the streets are paved with jobs.


      It has been like that for many years, not only recently. The whole thing
      started around the 70s Gierek times.
      I think it stems somewhat form Poles abroad themselves. I know lots who
      have 'made it' so to speak and those who have not - but will never admit to it
      and only pass onto those here how fab it is.....


      Emigration is a good thing for people in bad economic circumstances, but it
      > doesn't help the Polish economy, so why encourage it?


      I think many people are counting on the fact that those emigrees will comeback
      and bring their money with them. Which may be true in 30 years time...it may be
      not.

      If many people emigrate that means things may level out here for some job
      sectors. But like you say it is a short term solution.

      I think all our best talents have always buggered off abroad anyway, for many
      different reasons.
    • usenetposts Re: Polish emigration conspiracy theory 02.06.06, 17:20
      Here's a little article I wrote on the subject on my site a couple of years back

      www.usenetposts.com/art9.htm
      I was not too far off what would happen, I think...
    • chris-joe Re: Polish emigration conspiracy theory 03.06.06, 06:14
      It's like, once a Polish journalist discovers a couple of pounds of Polish
      cheese in a Berlin deli shop, the headlines in Poland start yelling: "Polish
      dairy takes over the world!".
      Why? Beats me... smile
    • ejmarkow Re: Polish emigration conspiracy theory 03.06.06, 06:38
      ianek70 napisał:

      > Emigration is a good thing for people in bad economic circumstances, but it
      > doesn't help the Polish economy, so why encourage it?

      It does help the Polish economy. Most Poles will either sooner or later return
      to Poland, or spend their earned income in Poland, thus injecting badly needed
      capital into the Polish economy which is required to keep the economic engine
      churning.
      • bartis_ervin Re: Polish emigration conspiracy theory 03.06.06, 13:42

        Everybody will say "I am coming back" but this might change. Of course it is a
        loss for Poland, it's brain-drain. Poland pays for their education and when the
        students graduate, they will go to Ireland and UK bringing expertise payed by
        the Polish government.

        The fact that they are sending home money and or they come home after n+1 years
        it's just a drop in the ocean. On long term, Poland will loose extremely much.
        But on the other hand, everybody has the right to go and look for a better life.

        On of the main foundation for EU was the free movement of people and
        merchandise. So people should go, migrate when/where they can. Anyway, we move a
        lot less than Americans.

        Ervin

        Thebartiski.blogspot.com
        • ejmarkow Re: Polish emigration conspiracy theory 03.06.06, 14:08
          bartis_ervin napisał:

          > Poland pays for their education and when the students graduate, they will go
          > to Ireland and UK bringing expertise payed by the Polish government.

          Higher education in Poland is free only at full-time day courses in public
          sector institutions. There are, however, two exceptions to this.

          www.socrates.org.pl/socrates2/index1.php?dzial=4&node=60&doc=1000198
        • usenetposts Re: Polish emigration conspiracy theory 03.06.06, 14:24
          bartis_ervin napisał:

          >
          > Everybody will say "I am coming back" but this might change.

          Precisely. Did Arnold Schwarzenegger go back to Austria? And look how many
          times he said "I'll be back".

          > Of course it is a
          > loss for Poland, it's brain-drain. Poland pays for their education and when
          the
          > students graduate, they will go to Ireland and UK bringing expertise payed by
          > the Polish government.

          In Schwarzenegger's case Austria gave him that wonderful education that
          equipped him to be Governor of Cafelornia, and they get all the benefit.
        • russh Re: Polish emigration conspiracy theory 03.06.06, 14:36
          > On of the main foundation for EU was the free movement of people and
          > merchandise.

          Absolutely. If the government can't get the economy really moving, then of couse
          the country will lose quality (and other) people.

          It's the beauty of todays world - mobility (and particularly true in the case of
          the current superb young generation of Poles), and should give a kick up the
          backside to all governments to get their acts together.
          • nasza_maggie Re: Polish emigration conspiracy theory 03.06.06, 18:28
            Does Arnie have a degree? smile))))))))))))
            • usenetposts Re: Polish emigration conspiracy theory 03.06.06, 19:19
              nasza_maggie napisała:

              > Does Arnie have a degree? smile))))))))))))
              >

              How could he not have? Don't shock me now.

              I'm off to check.
              • usenetposts Re: Polish emigration conspiracy theory 03.06.06, 19:24
                I wrote, a moment ago:

                > nasza_maggie napisała:
                >
                > > Does Arnie have a degree? smile))))))))))))
                > >
                >
                > How could he not have? Don't shock me now.
                >
                > I'm off to check.
                >

                OK, found this on
                en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzenegger

                During this time, his 1977 autobiography Arnold: The Education of a Bodybuilder
                was published, and he earned a B.A. from the University of Wisconsin-Superior,
                where he graduated with degrees in international marketing of fitness and
                business administration in 1979.
                • russh Re: Polish emigration conspiracy theory 03.06.06, 22:01
                  1979 - but that was before he could speak!
                  • ejmarkow Re: Polish emigration conspiracy theory 03.06.06, 22:09
                    "Asta la vista...baby!"
                    smile
      • ianek70 Re: Polish emigration conspiracy theory 05.06.06, 12:37
        ejmarkow napisał:

        > It does help the Polish economy. Most Poles will either sooner or later
        return
        > to Poland, or spend their earned income in Poland, thus injecting badly
        needed
        > capital into the Polish economy which is required to keep the economic engine
        > churning.

        I'm not sure this is such a positive thing, though.
        There are places in Mexico where a large part of the local economy depends on
        dollars sent home by locals who've gone to work on farms in the US. But a
        drought in Texas or a change in US immigration laws could stop this overnight
        and impoverish whole Mexican villages.
        In the same way, Ireland's building boom means good money for lots of Poles
        working there, some of which they are sending home to their families or saving
        to bring back with them, but when the boom ends this money will dry up, and
        many Poles will return with less than they'd expected (or than they need to pay
        for their studies or a new flat in PL). And the boom will end. Dublin has been
        almost completely rebuilt, are they going to rebuild it again just to give
        Poles something to do?
        • marcus_anglikiem Re: Polish emigration conspiracy theory 05.06.06, 19:41
          sound words. however, i would imagine that once an emigrant, or migrant worker,
          in the event of a downturn in the supply of available work, many would seek
          work in another country... freedom of movement about the EU (it's becoming a
          reality in some parts) Of course qualify this by saying that not everyone will
          want/ be able to move again; languages may pose a difficulty; and there could
          well be a time-lag in finding new work / a periodical return home; and of
          course, anyone RELYING on money coming home is always vulnerable to a shock.

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