1000 going to Afghanistan

[minimus]

At first I thought its another silly and unnecessary decision. But perhaps
the mightiest of all ducks have struck a deal with the smartest of all
shrubs. Now, this could be quite a crazy idea, but perhaps the US will
somehow "make things happen" that we have this pipe from Turkmenistan(?),
which would allow us independence from Russian gas supply? And I have no
doubt that the Russians want to use energy supply to blackmail others to
submission.
A 1000 troops is perhaps not a big price to pay? We could even throw in a
rocket base

Any thoughts on this, anyone?

[nasza_maggie]

And Lebanon, no?

[minimus]

Lebanon?
don't think so. It would be a peace keeping mission anyway. A'stan is combat.

[nasza_maggie]

Yes, they are there too.
And in the Balkans, in Iraq, Afghanistan and Darfour?
Around 4,000 Polish troops are on peace kepping missions.
That's the price of Nato, allegedly.

[sobieski010]

NATO is not in Iraq. The Poles are there purely serving as mercenaries for the
Yanks, desperately hoping to get some lucrative contracts out of it.
Powell was tring to sell his bullshit before the invasion when Germany's Joshka
Fisher cut through that with an icecold "I do not believe you".
In Darfur - where the Yanks should be (but no oil present so...) there are only
poorly-armed African Union peacekeepers. And God knows the tribes there deserve
our support. But they have nothing to offer Dick Cheney's private business
interests. So unpunished genocide follows.

[minimus]

> Yes, they are there too.
> And in the Balkans, in Iraq, Afghanistan and Darfour?
> Around 4,000 Polish troops are on peace kepping missions.
> That's the price of Nato, allegedly.

I think your confusing peace keeping with combat missions. Afghanistan would be
combat, as is Iraq. Meaning they will fight the taliban, not try to separate
taliban from the govt troops.
IMHO A'stan and Iraq are different. Iraque was (is) a dirty war, probably for
oil. There is no oil in Afghanistan. Taliban are dangerous, probably not just
for A'stan. So I think there is some moral ground for fighting them.
But should Polish troops be there? Should we risk lives of our soldiers there?
I see two possibilities:
1. Its just some stupid sentiment and gesture towards the nato and the US.
Romantic silly thing: for your freedom and ours, bla bla bla, or
2. We are going there because we have a real interest to be there. The best one
I could think of (and there are romours to that effect) is that there was a
deal struck for the construction of the pipeline from Asia, bypassing the
Russians. If thats the case, IMHO its a brilliant idea!
BTW: gaining energy independence from unpredictable and imperialist (still)
Russia, should be a priority.
BTW2: Here is a chance everyone to discuss different subject than the everyday
criticism of the life here.

[nasza_maggie]

Maybe I am. However the facts are that the Polish Army is in many places - and
the question is not only why, but can we afford it.

From what I know, about Afghanistan is that their current governtment will be
very happy to see our troops there, more than the Americans or the Brits.

[usenetposts]

Of course, it would all be well and good, but for the fact that not all the
1000 who are going out there will be coming back without a flag draped over
their coffin in the airplane. And that's if they find the body.

But it's the price our society has to pay not to get pissed on by the enemy.

[sobieski010]

It is a mystery to me why such an independent-minded people licks the ass of The
Great Idiot (and what do you get in return: visa waiver program? In which
century?) and have such fairy-tale ideas about energy independence.
No, you prefer to insult Germany and the EU all the time. Already had a look
with who your trade links are? Mainly with us pagan Western Europeans.
Why is it that you are becoming a colony of the Yanks? First the CIA prisons,
now the missile base. What is next?

[babiana]

Perhaps Poles still remember a "sitting war" or in Winston Churchill's words
"Twilight war" or in Polish "dziwna wojna".

[nasza_maggie]

sobieski010 napisał:

> It is a mystery to me why such an independent-minded people licks the ass of
Th
> e
> Great Idiot (and what do you get in return: visa waiver program? In which
> century?) and have such fairy-tale ideas about energy independence.
> No, you prefer to insult Germany and the EU all the time. Already had a look
> with who your trade links are? Mainly with us pagan Western Europeans.
> Why is it that you are becoming a colony of the Yanks? First the CIA prisons,
> now the missile base. What is next?


Sobieski,

You seem to increasingly mistake the thoughts of the Polish politicians, for
those, of the Polish nation...
But, there you go...

[sobieski010]

Maggie, yes you are right in this one. As I read, the majority of the people
here are against Polish involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan and against the
missile base.
So why do the politicians ignore the wishes of the majority of the people?

[nasza_maggie]

It's all about the money, I guess.
Money that your regular POlish family will never see or benefit from.
Politicians only tend to listen to us or lie that they do, just before general
elections..

[kylie1]

I don't know about the gas pipe line deal but I can tell you that the yanks
don't give a rat's behind about Polish soldiers. Most of them don't have a clue
that Poland sends extra troops to Afghanistan. I haven't. That's never made it
to the news here. Bush doesn't care about sending off his own young soldiers to
die ...why would he care about Poland? That idiot has got his head so far up his
a... it's not even funny.

When Canada sent their first troops to Afghanistan, it was supposed to be a
peace keeping mission only. Or so we thought. It's not. Now we keep fighting the
Taliban, Canadians keep dying every day and there is no end in sight to this
war. In my eyes Osama Bin Laden has won the war in Afghanistan. We will never
defeat terrorism by killing innocent people. And watch it, the minute the troops
decide to withdraw, the same old Taliban regime will reign all over again.

What a waste of innocent lives!

[minimus]

> that Poland sends extra troops to Afghanistan. I haven't. That's never made it
> to the news here. Bush doesn't care about sending off his own young soldiers
to

Maybe because of the time difference. It was announced in Poland today during a
day. Your 6 hrs (or more) behind. It was on the BBC as one of the first news
stories. Didn't check cnn.
Then again, maybe it never will. Do you think it matters?

[minimus]

just heard it on CNN

[kylie1]

I watched CNN today and there was nothing said about the thousand of new Polish
troops in Afghanistan. It's a little peanut in comparison to all the stuff Bush
is dealing with right now. What I HEARD through CNN, though, was that his former
State Secretary, Collin Powell sent a letter to DC senator John McCain INSISTING
that Bush abide by the treaty of the Geneva Convention (the idiot still keeps
hundreds of "terrorist suspects" from the times of the Aghan war behind bars
without military tribunal, most without charges, subject to torture and brutal
interrogation). Not only it puts a huge damper on Bush's already dismal
administration but it's going to cost Americans even more casualties. As usual
Bush makes his own rules and thumbs his nose at all the international treaties.
He thinks he is above everybody else on this planet. What a clown!

[zbalansowany]

It is a shame.


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minimus napisał:

> At first I thought its another silly and unnecessary decision. But perhaps
> the mightiest of all ducks have struck a deal with the smartest of all
> shrubs. Now, this could be quite a crazy idea, but perhaps the US will
> somehow "make things happen" that we have this pipe from Turkmenistan(?),
> which would allow us independence from Russian gas supply? And I have no
> doubt that the Russians want to use energy supply to blackmail others to
> submission.
> A 1000 troops is perhaps not a big price to pay? We could even throw in a
> rocket base
>
> Any thoughts on this, anyone?

I hope they will keep away from troubles, and those innocent soldiers return
back to us; safe. over there it is unclear situation and it is strange; our
soldiers go to afganistan, whyyyyyyyyy?