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"HOW ISRAEL LOST" , The Four Questions ,... Richard B Cramer

Polecam wszystkim ,... Wnikliwe spojrzenie na kogos trzezwego , z boku , na
polityke Israel'a ,...

uklony

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"Israel's support began eroding first - Twenty years ago in Europe.(Israeli
hasbarah pros , dismissed this as traditional anti-semitism)

Americans less burdened by knoledge of the world and perhaps less cynical in
all their faiths , lingered in their loyalty until , these days , they don't
know what to think . This too , I see now in a thousand little ways ;

The fund-raiser for the United Jewish Appeal who tells me he's pitched out of
nice JEWISH HOMES - Or he never gets in the door ,... The dear old Hadassah
ladies in the assisted living complex , who tell me the've stop piking up the
paper because it's so terrible what you read in there about Israel , I don't
even want to look , she says ,... Or the friend from my little American
town , whom I tell that I'm going to write a book about Israel ; No offence
she says (for she knows I'm Jewish)"but that president over there , or , it's
not president , primeminister - I don't like him , he's not a nice
man " ,... Sure , the freshet US aid still flows - But that's the goverment ,
the American people already falling off the bus , the goverment will follow
some day soon

One thing is for sure : Thirty-five years of occupation doesn't make it smell
like home - to us ,... Or put it another way : Somewhere along the line , we
get the feeling , "they aren't like us" Or maybe we don't want to be like them
And this is just one of the ways - One big one - How Israel lost" .

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Editorial Reviews

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It may seem surprising that a lengthy exploration of the conflict between
Israel and the Palestinians could be entertaining. But Pulitzer Prize-winner
Richard Ben Cramer manages to pull off just such a feat while sacrificing
neither the gravity of the situation nor the intricacies of a political and
religious war that seems to grow perpetually more bloody and intractable. He
argues that Israel is being slowly destroyed by their continued occupation of
the West Bank and Gaza, which is in turn destroying the Palestinians' hopes
for a homeland of their own. Cramer's book is divided into four questions
about the conflict ("Why do we care about Israel?", "Why don't the
Palestinians have a state?", "What is a Jewish state?", and "Why is there no
peace?") modeled after the questions asked at a Passover seder. It's tricky
to bring fresh insight to the situation in the Middle East since the cycle of
attacks and subsequent retaliations is so depressingly perpetual. But
Cramer ! strikes just the right tone to spark reader interest: irreverent
without being inappropriate, blunt and direct without oversimplifying, and
passionate without being biased. He's at his best in the book's final
chapter, offering advice for hawkish Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon
("Give back the land - the West Bank and Gaza") and Palestinian leader Yasser
Arafat ("bring one actual lawyer and someone to talk English on TV"). And
while the history lessons provided in How Israel Lost are worthwhile,
particularly to those whose knowledge of the conflict doesn't reach past the
morning papers, it's Cramer's personal anecdotes of the human beings in the
middle of the crisis and his own experiences covering it, combined with his
lively writing, that make this such a compelling read ,... John Moe

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    • rattler Re: Prorocze slowa ,... Fragment ksiazki 17.08.04, 02:23
      Mimo obiecanek morysa , czujem siem dobrze na wolnosci :) Kniga w drodze ,
      slyszalem faceta na C-span 2 i bez twojej reklamy zamowilem .

      narazie
      • Gość: rachelka Re: Prorocze slowa ,... Fragment ksiazki IP: *.twcny.rr.com 17.08.04, 02:59
        rattler napisał:

        > Mimo obiecanek morysa , czujem siem dobrze na wolnosci :) Kniga w drodze ,
        > slyszalem faceta na C-span 2 i bez twojej reklamy zamowilem .
        >
        > narazie
        co little crybaby cie nie nastraszyl a juz myslalam?
        • rattler Re: Prorocze slowa ,... Fragment ksiazki 17.08.04, 15:29
          Mor-Icek wiesz co mi moze zrobic ? Moron ma pozwolenie ze moze mnie pocalowac :)

          narazie
    • green_tara dokladka 17.08.04, 02:35
      The Vision Thing
      Reviewed by Stanley I. Kutler
      Sunday, August 15, 2004; Page BW05
      AMERICA ALONE
      The Neo-Conservatives and the Global Order
      By Stefan Halper and Jonathan Clarke

      Cambridge Univ. 369 pp. $28

      Stefan Halper and Jonathan Clarke are experienced, conservative foreign
      policy experts. Halper served as deputy assistant secretary of state in the
      Reagan administration, and Clarke had extensive service in the British
      diplomatic corps. In America Alone they document the neoconservative capture
      of American (and British) foreign policy, under the guise of a War on Terror,
      to reorder Middle East politics and initiate a newly proclaimed doctrine of
      preemptive war. Halper and Clarke are insiders who know the players and the
      sources. Their thoughtful, insightful work spans ideological and partisan
      differences, a rare phenomenon in these times.

      The authors understand the two-centuries-long history of American foreign
      policy. Detente, bipartisanship and respect for the views of allies are at
      the center of that history; they are not, as the neocons would have it,
      notions of weakness best replaced by a militant American world view and
      unilateralism. Halper and Clarke blend realism and idealism. For them,
      victory in the Cold War resulted from a firm U.S. adherence to the doctrine
      of containment and a moral authority rooted in fostering the idea of a free,
      open society. Now, the authors contend, President George W. Bush and a band
      of ideological zealots have put that moral authority at risk.

      America Alone levels a broad indictment against the Bush administration,
      which in the name of the war on terror has launched the Iraq war, mounted an
      assault on personal liberties at home, engaged in a purposeful deceit of the
      media and the public (both of which suspended any critical judgment) and,
      above all, has inflicted terrible damage on U.S. moral authority and
      international legitimacy. The chief culprits for the authors are the neocons,
      who are depicted as conspirators who hijacked American foreign policy.

      This is not exactly news, but the argument never has been put together so
      persuasively, so conclusively and so effectively. The authors' conservative
      critique is part of a steadily growing chorus of opposition. The Democrats
      now are emboldened to challenge the president. The Internet offers numerous
      libertarian Web sites that, for more than two years, have consistently
      exposed the fallacy of the Bush administration's arguments. Patrick Buchanan,
      too, has spoken out from the right, though some are uneasy with his overt
      hostility to Israel. The authors reflect the views of these and other critics
      from traditional Republican and conservative camps.

      What Halper and Clarke have done is to meticulously dissect the neocon world
      view. They trace the neocons' beginnings to their roots as Democratic
      dissidents, uneasy with a perception of their party's growing isolationism,
      softness toward national defense and reluctance to assert America's moral
      authority. The neocons saw the Vietnam War as an unduly paralyzing event.
      They began as an intellectual movement, and their adherents moved from the
      academy and the media into positions of power and policy influence,
      particularly in the Reagan administration.

      Today neocons are the key players in the Bush administration, including Vice
      President Dick Cheney; his chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby; Secretary of
      Defense Donald Rumsfeld; and his assistant Paul Wolfowitz. They are seconded
      by National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice and influential academic
      intellectuals and writers who preach warnings and celebrate their alleged
      triumphs. Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute has somberly
      described the French as a "strategic enemy." Max Boot, author of a book
      celebrating the United States' "splendid little wars," said that the American
      sweep through Iraq made "Erwin Rommel and Heinz Guderian seem positively
      incompetent by comparison." (Well, they were not fortunate enough to fight
      Saddam's vaunted Republican guard.) Boot loves war so much that he envisions
      a United States like the British Empire of old, always fighting some war,
      somewhere, against someone. And we thought that the British Empire collapsed
      under the weight of all that white man's burden.

      The neocons have exalted values over interests in shaping American policy. To
      further their agenda, they have masked themselves as the true keepers of the
      Reagan flame, but Halper and Clarke will have none of that. The neocons, they
      bluntly charge, have "falsified history" and have inflicted a "historical
      mugging" on Reagan. Like George Orwell, the authors understand that those who
      control the past control the present and, eventually, the future.

      The neocons have ignored Reagan's strong commitment to arms control, his
      summitry, his minimal use of military power and his rejection of the nuclear
      doctrines of their mentor, Albert Wohlstetter. They similarly ignore Reagan's
      China policy, his arms deal with Iran and his failed Lebanon intervention.
      They love Reagan's invasion of Grenada, which made the Caribbean safe for
      American medical students, but they insist that in doing so he thwarted a
      rising communist power. They were decidedly unhappy when Reagan lifted the
      grain embargo on the Soviets, a decision that he hoped would result
      in "meaningful and constructive dialogue which will assist us in fulfilling
      our joint obligation to find lasting peace."

      The neocons' mobilization for the Iraq war lies at the heart of this book.
      Saddam Hussein's tyranny apparently gave them no pause during his 10-year war
      with Iran, waged with arms provided by the United States and England. But
      George H.W. Bush's Persian Gulf War in 1991 left them embittered when Bush
      prudently decided that occupying Baghdad would only complicate the American
      role and endanger the grand alliance he had constructed. The neocons were
      convinced that toppling Saddam would enable the United States to make Middle
      East politics more responsive to American wishes
      • Gość: sp;lit Re: dokladka IP: *.ipt.aol.com 17.08.04, 10:35
        Moze mieszkancy Israel'a cos dorzuca , jesli nie popadli w depresje :) Oni
        wiedza lepiej .

        uklony
        • nierzyd Re: dokladka 17.08.04, 10:48
          Gość portalu: sp;lit napisał(a):

          > Moze mieszkancy Israel'a cos dorzuca , jesli nie popadli w depresje :) Oni
          > wiedza lepiej .

          Nie przeszkadzaj im w pakowaniu manatkow.
          • Gość: . [...] IP: *.227-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se 17.08.04, 18:26
            Wiadomość została usunięta ze względu na złamanie prawa lub regulaminu.
            • Gość: rachelka [...] IP: *.twcny.rr.com 17.08.04, 19:55
              Wiadomość została usunięta ze względu na złamanie prawa lub regulaminu.
              • Gość: . [...] IP: *.227-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se 17.08.04, 20:03
                Wiadomość została usunięta ze względu na złamanie prawa lub regulaminu.
                • Gość: rachelka Re: dokladka+ IP: *.twcny.rr.com 17.08.04, 20:31
                  Gość portalu: . napisał(a):

                  > Masz racje.
                  > Jezyk do nierzydka dopasowany.
                  > Wytlumacze:
                  > Ja mam polaczenie miedzy modemem akomputerem-bezprzewodowe.
                  > Jak sie lacze z Internetem,to elektrony miedzy tymi dwoma urzadzeniami lataja.
                  > tam i z powrote,tam i z powrotem.
                  > Wiec pokoj przemierzaj tam i z powrotem.
                  > I dom miedzy pietrami w dol i w gore,z gory i w dol.
                  > Jak nierzydek cos pisze,to elektrony jego smierdzace zasmierdzaja mi chalupe
                  > cala.
                  > Wiec prosze gagatka by sie umyl.
                  > A on nie slucha.
                  > Mozesz mi pomoc?
                  > Taki niekulturny brudas.

                  to nie jest wina nierzydka,ze jony ci zatruwaja atmosfere w twojej
                  skandynawskiej rezydencji. to poprostu brak odpowiedniego aparatu ,ktory to
                  oczyszcza powietrze,odjonowujac (nie wiem czy tak sie to pisze ) atmosfere. nie
                  zaluj grosza na czystosc powietrza, bo to sprawa powazna i moze dzialac
                  negatywnie na wiele fizjologicznych czynnosci. takie aparaty sa tu bardzo
                  wziete.polecam
                  • nierzyd Re: dokladka+ 17.08.04, 20:53
                    te "jony" zielono polyskuja, brzecza i sa wielkosci niemal centymetra.
                    Zadne aparaty nie pomoga kropie, ktora w swojej skandynawskiej ziemiance robi
                    wprost pod siebie i nie moze sie nadziwic, ze wkolko niej cos ciagle fuwa.
                    Odswiezyc nalezaloby mu nie tylko powietrze ale przede wszystkim sciany,
                    klepisko, dach z lisci i oczywiscie sama krope - gruntownie.

                    A tak na marginesie kropa ma teksty na poziomie syna koscielnego wychowanego w
                    beczce po ogorkach.
                  • Gość: sp;lit Re: dokladka+ IP: *.ipt.aol.com 17.08.04, 21:26
                    Jak bede mial czas to wygrzebie wyniki sadazu z krajow w Europie z ktorego
                    wynika ze Szwedzi (panie rowniez) kapia sie raz na tydzien i dwa razy zmieniaja
                    bielizne ,... Wyobrazasz sobie to ? Mam nadzieje ze obiadu nie popsulem :)

                    uklony
              • nierzyd Re: dokladka+ 17.08.04, 20:54
                Gość portalu: rachelka napisał(a):

                > kropka ty chyba druga mlodosc przezywasz, jezyk zupelnie podlotkowaty, a fee

                ale mu walisz komplementy....
                • Gość: rachelka Re: dokladka+ IP: *.twcny.rr.com 17.08.04, 21:05
                  nierzyd napisał:

                  > Gość portalu: rachelka napisał(a):
                  >
                  > > kropka ty chyba druga mlodosc przezywasz, jezyk zupelnie podlotkowaty, a
                  > fee
                  >
                  > ale mu walisz komplementy....

                  no wiesz nierzydzie ja jestem grzeczna,nie moge w koncu wdawac sie w wasze beczkowe problemy caly
                  czas,tylko od czasu do czasu:)
                  • Gość: . Re: dokladka+ IP: *.227-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se 17.08.04, 21:10
                    Nierzydku niedomyty!
                    Nie wtracaj sie,durniu,jak z dama rozmawiam.

                    P.S
                    Co do wyposazenia technicznego-mam super.
                    Sam dopilnowalem.
                    Czulosc dlatego przeogromna.
                    Dlatego na nierzydka wyczulona jest.
    • merolek [...] 17.08.04, 21:01
      Wiadomość została usunięta ze względu na złamanie prawa lub regulaminu.
      • Gość: . [...] IP: *.227-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se 17.08.04, 21:13
        Wiadomość została usunięta ze względu na złamanie prawa lub regulaminu.
      • Gość: rachelka [...] IP: *.twcny.rr.com 17.08.04, 21:16
        Wiadomość została usunięta ze względu na złamanie prawa lub regulaminu.
        • Gość: . Re: ty s;plit ty to musisz byc zyddek prowokator+ IP: *.227-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se 17.08.04, 21:20
          Zenskie nieciekawe.
      • merolek Re: ty s;plit ty to musisz byc zyddek prowokator 17.08.04, 21:39
        dla swirka watek z naszej pld Polski (Zydowskie ) niech sobie pouzywa he
        he he

        www.beskid-niski.pl/index.php?pos=/miejscowosci&ID=153
    • Gość: . Re:Mydlo+ IP: *.227-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se 17.08.04, 22:17
      >>>>>>>>>>><Re: dokladka+ IP: *.ipt.aol.com
      Gość: sp;lit 17.08.2004 21:26 odpowiedz na list


      Jak bede mial czas to wygrzebie wyniki sadazu z krajow w Europie z ktorego
      wynika ze Szwedzi (panie rowniez) kapia sie raz na tydzien i dwa razy zmieniaja
      bielizne ,... Wyobrazasz sobie to ? Mam nadzieje ze obiadu nie popsulem :)

      uklony>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<

      Ja tobie wytlumacze dlaczego to tak jest.
      Szwecja miala bardzo wysokie spozycie mydla na jednego osobnika.
      Potem zaczeli przyjezdzac inni.
      Ktorzy sie nie myli.
      W pewnym momencie zauwazono znaczny spadek tego poziomu.
      Dziwnym trafemzbieglo sie to czsowo z okresem,kiedy ty w Stolice Szwecji
      sprzataniem sie zajmowales.
      Zauwazono potem,ze spozycie tego artykulu wzroslo znowu.
      Zbieglo sie to z okresem,kiedy ty i towarzysze twoi Szwecje opuscili i do USA
      wyjechali.
      Zauwazono spadek spozycia mydla w USA.
      Zbieg okolicznosci?

    • rattler Re: Prorocze slowa ,... Fragment ksiazki 17.08.04, 23:08
      Zniwa cyco ? Pozwol siem wygadac kropka - Przykrop i merolek (same shit) swoje
      frustracje tutaj wywala , bo mu Viagra nie pomaga :)

      narazie
      • Gość: rachelka Re: Prorocze slowa ,... Fragment ksiazki IP: *.twcny.rr.com 17.08.04, 23:11
        rattler napisał:

        > Zniwa cyco ? Pozwol siem wygadac kropka - Przykrop i merolek (same shit) swoje
        > frustracje tutaj wywala , bo mu Viagra nie pomaga :)
        >
        > narazie
        malo tego poniewaz chlopaki rajcuja a ja ich cytuje to mnie tez kropa tnie, a fee
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