To nie ludzie , to bydlaki - Zobaczcie sami

[Gość: sp;lit]

Na dodatek zbrojone bydlaki , dla ktorych zycie ludzkie (nie-zyda) nie jest
warte zlamanego centa ,...

uklony

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Last Update: 27/10/2004 15:17

Settlers delay ambulance after Palestinian shot at outpost
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By Amos Harel, Jonathan Lis and Arnon Regular, Haaretz Correspondents, and
Haaretz Service

Settlers at an illegal West Bank outpost on Tuesday prevented an ambulance
from reaching a Palestinian teenager shot by the outpost's security officer,
Israeli military sources said Wednesday.

Salman Yussuf Safadi, an 18-year-old from the nearby village of Orif, died
before the ambulance arrived.

The residents of the outpost, near the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar, had
placed spikes in the road to the outpost, which punctured one of the
ambulance's tires. The settlers also clashed with Israel Defense Forces
troops at the scene.

At first, the settler who shot claimed that Safadi had tried to enter his
house in outpost 725 and so he shot him. He later said that the Palestinian
was not in his home when he shot him.

Safadi was apparently seriously wounded, but tried to flee. His body was
found some 50 meters from the house. Military sources say the settler had
fired a "number of bullets."

Settlers initially claimed that the man was actually caught in the house.

The military believes that there are two possible reasons Safadi tried to
enter the house: either he was collecting intelligence information on the
outpost for use in a future attack, or he was trying to steal from the house.

There were reports that he was picking olives nearby and had wondered into
the outpost. The village's olive groves, however, are not in proximity to the
outpost.

Palestinians from Orif said that Safadi had been herding his sheep near the
outpost and went to look for some sheep that ran away. They said Safadi was
unarmed and was not a member of any terror group.

Police officers were initially dispatched to the area to investigate the
incident, but were told to leave by the military, who wished to investigate
the incident instead.

[Gość: rachelka]

morze krwi i nienawisci prowadzace do nikad.

hm....

[Gość: aki]

niszcza opony ambulansu-nieładnie

[Gość: sp;lit]

Orginalne poczucie humoru , troche chore , ale mysle , ze strawie ,... Gdyby na
miejscu tego chlopca byl twoj brat czy syn , martwil bys sie o opony ? Watpie !

uklony

[zomowietz]

ten ambulans byl zagrozeniem dla ruchu. Dobrze ze powstrzymali tych szalencow w
ambulansie ze nie narobili wiecej ofiar.

[Gość: totyle]

Tak-autobus mogl byc bomba na kolkach.Moglby wybuchnac w srodku osiedli
zydowskich-nielegalnych.Moglo duzo zydow zginac.Moglo byc jeszcze gorzej bo
w tym galimatiasie ratowania-lapania szczatkow moglo dojsc do wypadku wsrod
ratujacych.Moglo to zwiekszyc ofiary.Moglo sprowokowac zatem do zburzenia kilku
domow palestynskich.Moglo w tych domach zginac wiele rodzin palestynskich
pogrzebanych zywcem.Moglo dojsc pozniej do rewanzy Hezbola.
No widzicie ile tragedi zaoszczedzili zydzi zabijajac tylko jednego niewinnego
palestynczyka?

Smierc

[Gość: Lien]

Zaden czlowiek nie przezyje swojej tragedi smierci i bulu dwa razy. smierc
jednego czlowieka jest tyle samo warta dla zabitego co smierc reszty ludzkosci.
dlatego dbajmy o kazde zycie. Kadego izraelczyka, kazdego palestynczyka.

[Gość: sp;lit]

Zachecajace , ale jak to zrobic po takich pokazach bestialstwa ,...

Ci panowie ksztaltuja od malego charaktery okupujacych , komisary-politruki w
jarmulkach , do nich nalezy ostatnie slowo .

uklony

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Religious commissars in the IDF
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By Ze'ev Schiff

One Hanukkah many years ago, I was sitting in the office of a man who was about
to become the next chief of staff - Ehud Barak - when there was a knock at the
door. It was a religious man who was introduced as a rabbi, and he invited
Barak and myself to join in lighting the first candle.

A candelabra and candles were already laid out on a desk in the secretaries'
room and all the preparations had been made in Barak's office without him
knowing about it. The rabbi placed skullcaps on our heads and immediately began
reciting the succession of blessings.

No one inquired how he had entered the office without permission, or who had
allowed him to enter the IDF General Staff base without authorization. There
was some bewilderment, but no one said a thing because, after all, the rabbi
before us was performing a mitzvah.

The rabbi left Barak's office and headed for another one, all without any
permit or authority. Those were days when Chabad and other religious groups
could treat army bases and commanders as their own. What took place back then
in a disorderly, partisan fashion has now taken on an orderly form.

Aside from the formal, sanctioned activities of the IDF Chief Rabbinate, other
religious activity takes place within the IDF through external organizations.
It resembles missionary activity and aims to create close links between
religion and army through various methods.

All of the relevant parties gloss over this activity since it is not
ostentatious and soldiers assume it has been approved by the army. The problem
is not in lighting a hanukiah after barging into an army base, nor are
religious soldiers and their adherence to their faith the source of objection.

Among the kippa-wearing soldiers are many disciplined and outstanding fighters
who have reached high rank and senior position, up to and including the General
Staff. In many respects, they have over the years taken the time-honored place
that kibbutzniks have until now filled in the IDF.

The problem is the new status, albeit indirect, that rabbis in the IDF have
been accorded. The leaders are the rabbis of the hesder yeshivas. The spotlight
was recently trained on them in the wake of the Halachic decision issued by
Rabbi Avraham Shapira, who called on soldiers and policemen to refuse orders to
evacuate settlements.

Rabbis have now reached the status of commissars in the IDF, not unlike the
former commissars in the Soviet army. They are not commanders, but at their
word, decisions are made on important matters. The mere fact that they are
involved, even indirectly, in army life is what makes the situation so
irregular and problematic.

Who would have ever imagined, for instance, that the rabbis of the hesder
yeshivas would be involved in determining what type of military service their
pupils would perform in the IDF? They established the Council of Hesder
Yeshivas, which the IDF proceeded to recognize.

Not long ago, they scheduled a meeting with the head of the army's manpower
division, Elazar Stern, and then mocked him by not turning up at the meeting
because the media were laying an ambush for them at the meeting place.

It does not matter what the political stand of these rabbis is, or how they
translate the army's orders into Halachic rulings. Even if some of them do not
accept Rabbi Shapira's call to refuse orders, it is not their function
to "approve" orders in the IDF. With all due respect to the rabbis, their place
is in the synagogues and the yeshivas or as army chaplains or other state-
sanctioned posts.

They cannot play a role in the IDF, even an indirect one. Just as there are no
religious commissars in the Ministry of the Environment or the Ministry of
Foreign Affairs, it goes without saying that there should be no religious
commissars in the IDF.

Until the War of Independence, the Palmach had its own commissars, at which
point its units were reorganized under the IDF, or dismantled.

The kibbutz movement had, and still has, commissars in the army's Nahal
settlement units. These two examples derived from partisan arrangements. Yet
all of these groups are external bodies, and all of them ought to remain
outside the bounds of the IDF.

[...]

[Gość: gaucio]

Wiadomość została usunięta ze względu na złamanie prawa lub regulaminu.

nie odrózniasz

[Gość: aki]

sarkazmu i ironii od humoru? ojjjjjjjjjjj niedobrze

[Gość: sp;lit]

Odrozniam ,... Wiem , ze zajonce , aka , zionce , aka , zio-nazisci , ciucki i
inne obrzynki czytaja moje posty z zapartym tchem i nie moga sie doczekac na
nastepny ,(mimo ze ostatnio ich oniesmielam troche) , wiec sobie pomyslalem ,
ludzac sie , ze cierpka aluzja ich troche osmieli - A tu cisza , cwane zydy ,
nie wtykaja nosa , tam gdzie moga oberwac :)

uklony

[Gość: aki]

no to przeciez naturalne i słuszne.nie polemizujesz tam gdzie nie masz szans na zwycięstwo

[Gość: dana33]

hmm... albo nie polemizujesz z tymi, ktorzy nie maja nic do powiedzenia.

[Gość: z daleka]

Dana, ty jeszcze zauwazasz tego Splita? On sie juz zrobil taki tyci, ze ja
osobiscie, go niedowidze i niedoslysze.

[...]

[Gość: sp;lit]

Wiadomość została usunięta ze względu na złamanie prawa lub regulaminu.

[Gość: dana33]

odpowiedzialam aki, nie splitowi. rozlupanca widze juz baaardzo rzadko. ja
wogole to malo ludzi jeszcze tutaj widze. coraz mniej... jeszcze ciut i zostana
tu sami... dash

d33 co z tym ambulansem?

[Gość: aki]

zmyslone znowu????? czy prawda??????

[Gość: dana33]

aki, historia arabskich ambulansow jest znana juz od dawna. kiedys oczywiscie
wszystkie ambulanse byly bez zadnych ceregieli przepuszczane. dopoki sie
okazalo, ze w wielu z tych ambulansow szmuglowana jest bron i terrorysci. wtedy
zaczeto nie tylko sprawdzac kazdy ambulans, ale tez i podejrzane nie
przepuszczac. chyba ze zrozumialych wzgledow. do tego dochodzi napieta sytuacja
w osiedlach w ostatnich tygodniach, gdzie ludzie znalezli sie w sytuacji, ze
beda musieli opuscic swoje domy. zdenerwowanie zwiekszylo sie po wczorajszej
decyzji knesset. wiec i reakcje sa duzo bardziej ostre.
tacy wlasnie jak rozlupaniec i kolezcy widza zawsze i tylko strone arabska.
wiec i ich komentarze i cytowanie skrajnie lewicowych zrodel jest zrozumiale.
to dlugo jeszcze nie znaczy, ze przedstawiaja sprawe objektywnie.

ok

[Gość: aki]

przeczytałem dzieki

hey dana z daleka moze cos na w/w temat???

[bam_buko]

powiedzmy wiadomosci z "pierwszej" reki

[Gość: PP]

Chetnie bym poczytal Mosze, tego z Izraela. Zdawal sie stac ponad calym tym
szalenstwem i pisac usmierzajace goraczkowa glupote posty.Ale Mosze przepadl....

cos strasznego, przy takiej zydowskiej zbrodni

[Gość: jarek-Zyd ne telus]

podzynanie gardl w Iraqu jest niczym.

oczywiscie jareczku ,oczywiscie

[Gość: aki]

a co dopiero w porównaniu z wyginięciem dinozaurów to była naprawde tragedia
i ten "świnia"meteoryt jak on mógł to zrobic

zydku-jarku ne telus czyli ch.g.w KTO

[bam_buko]

dzieki tobie wiemy juz od dawna ze na tym swiecie sa tylko zydzi i araby innych
NIE ma!!!! O arabach napisales juz b.duzo pozytywnych historyjek moze wiec w
podobnym stylu cos o swoich ,odnoszac sie oczywiscie do w/w watku.