Pres Bush v Kerry - Cenzurki ze studiow ,...

[explicit]

Nic dziwnego ze Kerry , uchodzacy za intelektualiste w ostatniej przepychance
na prezydenta nie chcial ujawnic swoich "osiagniec" na studiach , i rowniez
nic dziwnego , ze a prezydent Bush uraczyl nas powiedzonkiem ; "it's time to
enter our solar system" ,...

Podsumowanie - Czasem lepiej byc niedocenionym niz przecenionym ,...

uklony

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Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's
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(June 7) - Sen. John F. Kerry's grade average at Yale University was
virtually identical to President Bush's record there, despite repeated
portrayals of Kerry as the more intellectual candidate during the 2004
presidential campaign.

Kerry had a cumulative average of 76 and got four Ds his freshman year - in
geology, two history courses and political science, The Boston Globe reported
Tuesday.

His grades improved with time, and he averaged an 81 his senior year and
earned an 89 - his highest grade - in political science as a senior.

''I always told my dad that D stood for distinction,'' Kerry said in a
written response to reporters' questions. He said he has previously
acknowledged focusing more on learning to fly than studying.

Under Yale's grading system in effect at the time, grades between 90 and 100
equaled an A, 80-89 a B, 70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D, and anything below that was
a failing grade.

By the Numbers
======================

89 Kerry's highest grade at Yale

88 Bush's highest grade at Yale

4 Number of Ds Kerry received in his freshman year

1 Number of Ds Bush received in his four undergrad years

In 1999, The New Yorker magazine published a transcript showing Bush had a
cumulative grade average of 77 his first three years at Yale, and a similar
average under a non-numerical rating system his senior year.

Bush's highest grade at Yale was an 88 in anthropology, history and
philosophy. He received one D in his four years, a 69 in astronomy, and
improved his grades after his freshman year, the transcript showed.

Kerry, a Democrat, previously declined to release the transcript, which was
included in his Navy records. He gave the Navy permission to release the
documents last month, the Globe reported.

Kerry graduated from Yale in 1966, Bush in 1968.

[i-love-2-bike]

a to brightspots z nich:))

[ghotir]

kiedys gore vidal stwierdzil ze amerykanski system polityczny sklada sie z dwoch
prawych skrzydel. to co przytoczyles wskazuje ze jest tam wiecej podobienstw.

[i-love-2-bike]

ghotir napisał:

> kiedys gore vidal stwierdzil ze amerykanski system polityczny sklada sie z dwoc
> h
> prawych skrzydel. to co przytoczyles wskazuje ze jest tam wiecej podobienstw.

tia,ze durnoty i miernoty dostaja sie na najwyzsze stolki,lub,ze nietrudno jest
zdobyc dobry stopien na najlepszych uczelniach USA,bo nawet durnoty moga przejsc
przez nie ze srednia C:))

sorry ale znow sie nie zgadzam--czesciowo

[manny_ramirez]

prawda ze w dzisiejszej Ameryce mamy dwa podobne skrzydla, oba zakochane w
omnipotentnym rzadzie i wydawaniu niezliczonych pieniedzy podatnikow,

prawdziwych konserwatystow u wladzy nie znajdziesz

gdyby Burke zmartchwystal to by sie zaplakal;)

[ghotir]

manny_ramirez napisał: 'prawdziwych konserwatystow u wladzy nie znajdziesz'.
-------------
podobna opinie wyglosil konserwatywny czlonek kongresu; cos w rodzaju, dluga
droga przed nami abysmy mieli naprawde cos do powiedzenia w sprawach polityki
usa. byl to wywiad na 'daily show', wiec nie zanotowalem. ty wiesz tutaj cos
wiecej. zechcesz sie podzielic (nie dla klotni, ale informacji)?

[i-love-2-bike]

ghotir napisał:

> manny_ramirez napisał: 'prawdziwych konserwatystow u wladzy nie znajdziesz'.
> -------------
> podobna opinie wyglosil konserwatywny czlonek kongresu; cos w rodzaju, dluga
> droga przed nami abysmy mieli naprawde cos do powiedzenia w sprawach polityki
> usa. byl to wywiad na 'daily show', wiec nie zanotowalem. ty wiesz tutaj cos
> wiecej. zechcesz sie podzielic (nie dla klotni, ale informacji)?
>
>

pewnie,ze prawdziwych konserwatystow,zwlaszcza tych,ktorzy sa pro amerykanscy a
nie pro izraelscy jak neokons to nie znajdziesz. wlasnie dlatego Pat Buchanan
nie doszedl do wladzy jako konerwatysta.

[ghotir]

pozwol ze zadam Ci to samo pytanie ktore zadalem manny_ramirez kilka minut temu.
wyjasnienie: ja nie 'czuje' roznic, ale chcialbym je znac.

[i-love-2-bike]

ghotir napisał:

> pozwol ze zadam Ci to samo pytanie ktore zadalem manny_ramirez kilka minut temu
> .
> wyjasnienie: ja nie 'czuje' roznic, ale chcialbym je znac.

nie wiem czy pytasz o konserwatystwo amerykanskich a jesli tak to spiesze
doniesc. ostatnio partia republikanska zostala opanowana przez tzw neocons, a ci
za punkt honoru maja przyjazn z izraelem za swoje motto. sa to w wiekszosci
konserwatywni chrzescijanie jak rowniez sporo jest w tym odlamie samych zydow.
ci bardziej umiarkowani republikanie nie maja wlasciwie nic do powiedzenia,jak
rowniez dawniej partia republikanska byla bardziej otwarta dla wszystkich w tym
libertynow,ale to sie zmienilo. pat buchanan oficjalnie wypisal sie z tej
partii,gdyz nie pozwolono mu na krytyke starozakonnych.

[manny_ramirez]

pewnie, ale prosilbym abys najpierw konkretniej napisal czym chcesz abym sie
podzielil

[ghotir]

dlaczego uwazasz ze prawdziwi konserwatysci nie sa obecnie u wladzy w usa? jaka
sa roznice programowe miedzy nimi a ludzmi dynastii krzaczkow, a wlasciwie
reaganowcami?

[explicit]

Nie zapominaj ze Bush senior podpadl AIPAC forsujac sprzedaz najnowszych
samolotow dla Arabii Saudyjskiej , Baker wychylil sie z "fuck them, they don't
vote for us anyway" i podpadl Zydom i mediom ktorymi dyspomuja , mam nadzieje
ze druga generacja z intelektem jak Carl Rowe ma cos w rekawie ,...

uklony

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Sunday, June 05, 2005

AIPAC and real power ?
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Reuven Koret, the publisher of Israel Insider and the guy who bravely told
Daniel Pipes to stuff it when Pipes tried to secretly force Israel Insider to
stop publishing Barry Chamish (and thus revealed that Pipes is a covert censor
of views which he feels are unhelpful to the Zionist cause), is of the opinion
that the AIPAC espionage investigation is simply the American way of putting
pressure on American Jews to accept American foreign policy in the Middle East,
which includes the 'Roadmap' and the necessity to eventually deal with the
Palestinians. Koret believes that the whole AIPAC matter is just an FBI sting
operation set up to put pressure on AIPAC, a view which cannot be right as we
know that the FBI had been investigating AIPAC long before Larry Franklin came
into the picture, and thus must have suspected high-level espionage years
before it could come into anybody's head to use it to put a damper on AIPAC's
current enthusiasms. Having said that, the fact that the FBI has been allowed
to continue its investigation as long as it has, and is apparently able to
reach right up to the top of AIPAC with its indictments, would clearly require
approval from the highest levels of the American government. In other words,
even if AIPAC had committed the worst treason imaginable (and I am certain that
it has), we would never have heard of it unless the Bush Administration wanted
to use it to send a message to American Jews that they are not quite as
powerful as they think they are, and they can't assume constant support
regardless of how radical a position they may want to take. AIPAC is allowed to
appear powerful only as long as radical Zionism suits the American
Establishment. If the Palestinians can make a case that the existence of a
viable and just Palestinian state is in the interests of the American Powers
That Be, and can make that case in the context of the current American disaster
in Iraq and the corresponding erosion of perceived American power around the
world (not to mention the fact that it was entirely Zionists and mostly Jews
that led the United States into the disaster), AIPAC may suddenly appear not to
be as all-powerful as it appears to be today. AIPAC had better enjoy the blow
job from Nancy Pelosi (which has to go down as one of the most cravenly
mendacious speeches in American history, and enough to make anyone despair of
the Democrats ever becoming a party that anyone would want to vote for), as it
may be a while before they get another one.

Latac Kerry tez sie nie nauczyl! :-)))))))))))))))

[meerkat1]

"Kerry said he has previously acknowledged focusing more on learning to fly
than studying."

I nawet to Ketchupowi nie wyszlo, w przeciwienstwie do "W", ktory latac sie
owszem nauczyl, i to niezle! :-)))

[manny_ramirez]

sorry za zwloke ale musialem przygotowac obiad dla dziecka

konserwatyzmow jest oczywiscie wiele, nie mozna porownywac amerykanskiego do
japonskiego:) Wiec mysle ze chodzi Ci o maerykanski.
Otoz bardzo zwiezle
w sferze polityki zagranicznej amerykanscy konserwatysci to izolacjonisci
opowiadajacy sie za interwencjonizmem tylko na polkuli zachodniej albo dla
najzywotniejszego interesu narodowego. Na przyklad wojna w Afganistanie tak,
Irak nie. A juz napewno zadnego darowywania demokracji sila. =Bush odpada

w sferze ekonomii--jak najslabsze panstwo federalne o jak najmniejszym zakresie
interwencjonizmu ekonomicznego. Podatki wlasciwie tylko na obronnosc i
bezpeczenstwo zewnetrzne i wewnetrzne i infrastrukture. ==sprowadzanie tego do
znizania podatkow przy jednoczesnym ogromnym deficycie budzetowym to
asburd==Bush odpada

w sferze polityki socjalnej== tu chyba kazdy kwalifikuje Busha bo ciagle mowi o
Jezusie. Ja nie. Spojrzmy na pare konkretow. Wybory gubernatora Californii.
Najlepszym kadydatem konserwatywnym byl McClintock ale Bush poparl
Schwarzenegerra mimo ze ten w sprawach obyczajowych konserwatysta bynajmniej
nie jest. To samo w wyborach na senatora z Pennsylvanii. Kandydat Twomey mial
tak zwane "impeccable" konserwatywne "credentials" I co? Poparto Spectera choc
liberal w sprawach obyczjowych. Zreszta nawet w kwestii malzenstw
homosexualnych Bush wiele mowi ale slychac aby cos robil?

Jednym slowem z niego taki sam konserwatysta jak z neocons ktorzy maja duzo
wiecej wspolnego z trockistami niz z konserwatyzmem.
Wydawac jak najwiecej pieniedzy i uszczesliwiac wszystkich uniwersalnymi
wartosciami wyplywajacymi z Oswiecenia. Bierze mnie na wymioty.

A konczac. Wbrew temu co wypisuja tu co poniektorzy nie ma to nic wspolnego z
Zydami i Izraelem.
Bushowi chodzi o wybrocow a jego baza to przede wszystkim fundamentalni
protestanci ktorzy sa socjalistyczni w sferze gospodarki, konserwatywni w
sprawach obyczajowych jesli chodzi o aborcje, stem cell research i juz nie
calkiem w sprawie malzenstw jednoplciowych, i sa najwiekszymi zwolennikami
Wielkiego Izraela. Duzo wiekszymi niz na przyklad Kristol, Wolfowitz czy tez
Rumsfeld. Najwieksza rozpacz bierze z tego ze bedac za Wielkim Izraelem sa
takze niezwykle antysemiccy. (cos do myslenia)

Zreszta w mojej ksiazce poparcie dla izraela w sprawie palestynskiej wcale nie
rowna sie popieraniu wojny w Iraku. Ja przynajmniej tak nie robie. Czy obecnosc
USA w Iraku jest na reke Izraelowi. Napewno. Czy to byl glowny powod ataku. Nie
mysle.

To na razie tyle. Rozwine cos jesli trzeba .

do manny_ramirez

[ghotir]

dzieki,
musze przetrawic to co napisales a teraz warunki mam tylko na odszczekiwanie
sie. odezwe sie z pytaniami za kilka godzin do doby.

[manny_ramirez]

dobrze, ja tez pisalem w pospiechu wiec sorry za skory myslowe ktore tam
napewno sa

[ghotir]

skroty sa ale ja je rozumiem, nie ma sprawy. pytan na razie nie mam.
skopiowalem to co napisales i bede mial to na uwadze przy swoim czytaniu. nie
zdziw sie jezeli za kilka tygodni zacytuje te wypowiedz. znowu, nie dla klotni,
ale dla jasnosci.
pozdrowienia.

[manny_ramirez]

nie przejmuj sie. Zreszta zalezy jak definiujesz klotnie:) Wedlug mnie rozsadna
polemika bardzo rozszerza horyzonty.

nastepny artykul

[manny_ramirez]

We're All in the Same Bloat
Republicans have abandoned small government. Why shouldn't voters abandon them?

BY BRENDAN MINITER
Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT


"After 11 years of Republican majority, we pared it down pretty good. I am
ready to declare ongoing victory. It is still a process."--House Majority
Leader Tom DeLay on the federal budget
In the presidential campaign last year, Democrats were said to be counting on
some misfortune--terrorists attacking on American soil, the Iraq War taking a
turn for the worse, the economy going south--to help them beat George W. Bush.
That didn't happen, of course. But now disaster has struck, and it's becoming
increasingly clear that Democrats are better off for it. In ripping through the
Gulf Coast, Hurricane Katrina has peeled back the lid on Republican rule and
many Americans aren't happy with what they see.
This isn't about a slow response anymore. The Federal Emergency Management
Agency is on the ground, troops have restored order, and the water in New
Orleans has long since begun to recede. President Bush and Republicans in
Congress are now taking a hit not for when but rather how they have responded.
And unless they change course, Republicans will pay a steep price in next
year's midterm elections and leave Democrats in the driver's seat for 2008.

What President Bush, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay and other Republicans
haven't figured out yet is that deficit spending isn't a problem for them
unless it endangers the broader conservative agenda. If it does, it will become
the electoral issue. And what we're seeing is that Katrina is swamping every
goal conservatives have, from limiting government to cutting taxes to reforming
entitlement programs. Katrina spending has already imperiled plans to repeal
the death tax, and Congress is already $60 billion into a spending binge.
Handing out $2,000 debit cards was just the beginning. The conservative
Congress has brought back the welfare state.

This isn't all Katrina's fault. Republicans have been kidding themselves for
years that they are still the stewards of fiscal conservatism and limited
government. The Medicare prescription drug plan is just one example. Run down
the list of the some 80 federal entitlements--including Medicare, Medicaid,
farm subsidies, Pell Grants and so much more--and it becomes clear that little
has been done to take these massive programs off of spending autopilot. Welfare
reform and Freedom to Farm in the 1990s were nice, but what has the GOP done
lately? In many cases Republicans have ramped up spending and then bragged
about it.

What we're seeing in the wake of Katrina is that despite all the winks and
assurances to the contrary as they passed the energy and transportation bills,
Republicans in Congress don't know how to control spending and are at a loss as
to why they even should. That's one way to govern. But if Republicans no longer
believe in smaller government, why not put the Democrats back in charge?





None of this is say that Katrina has hurt all Republicans and helped all
Democrats. Louisiana's Gov. Kathleen Blanco and New Orleans's Mayor Ray Nagin--
both of whom have D's after their names--have clearly failed as crisis leaders.
We can expect voters to give them the boot next time out.
Meanwhile, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice may actually mark the storm as
the turning point that gives her a shot at elective office. She has the good
fortune of being from the wrong place at what's now the right time--Alabama, a
state hit hard by the hurricane. Staring down critics who claim the president
didn't rush to help Katrina victims because they were predominately poor and
black has raised her national profile and fleshed out some of her views on
race, poverty and education.

Ms. Rice has gone domestic and surely is now on the short list to be any
credible Republican presidential candidate's running mate. But why not Condi
for president? She hasn't held elective office before, but if the nation comes
under attack again, it's clear she has the backbone to do something about it.
And that's about the only argument Republicans will have for continuing to be
trusted with the reins of power after they jettison the rest of their agenda
and adopt programs reminiscent of the New Deal and Great Society. Bankruptcy
reform and a failed effort at Social Security reform just aren't enough to take
to the voters, especially once the two Supreme Court vacancies are filled.

As it happens, there is still an opportunity for Republicans in the ownership
society. President Bush's idea of giving away federal land in the hard-hit
areas is a step in the right direction, as are private $5,000 accounts that
evacuees can use for job training and child care until they get back on their
feet. A bolder step would be to move forward with private Medicaid, Medicare
and Social Security accounts. Federal policies that encourage and facilitate
owning assets--especially a home--enable individuals to get off of public
assistance and will be embraced by even moderate voters.

In the absence of such policies, however, conservatives will continue to be
stampeded on spending.

Mr. Miniter is assistant editor of OpinionJournal.com. His column appears
Tuesdays.

[rattler]

Co tu duzo gadac , z takimi wynikami na tej uczelni moj pierworodny i sredniak
musieli by dorabiac wieczoramy , my musieli by wzionc second mortgage , a zeby
zapewnic to samo najmlotszej latorosli , co to jej heart belongs to Daddy, jak
Rachelci, ja musial bym sie zaciangnanc do Legii Cudzoziemskiej :((( Thanks God
and my naj that my kidz got what they got :)

narazie

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Nic dziwnego ze Kerry , uchodzacy za intelektualiste w ostatniej przepychance
na prezydenta nie chcial ujawnic swoich "osiagniec" na studiach , i rowniez
nic dziwnego , ze a prezydent Bush uraczyl nas powiedzonkiem ; "it's time to
enter our solar system" ,...

Tancowaly dwa Michaly

[felusiak1]

No prosze. Taki inteligentny Kerry a tu okazuje sie, ze nie lepszy od Busha.
Teraz mam dylemat czy Bush jest madry jak Kerry czy tez Kerry jest tak glupi jak
Bush. Dochodzi do tego jeszcze jeden czynnik, mianowicie Bush zrobil potem drugi
fakultet a Kerry wydal sie bogato. Wyglada na to, ze jednak kerry jest smarter.
Bardzo inteligentny i madry Al Gore wogole studiow nie skonczyl. Widac nie
lubial sie uczyc.

[explicit]

Ja tez , podpierajac sie doniesieniami CNN porownujac z UPI raportem , Kerry
tylko na ostatnim roku poprawil cenzurke , a Bush balujac z renia na kolanie i
z flacha w reku , po pijoku skonczyl z an average lepszym wynikiem ,... O tym
ze Kerry "oblal" history i political science w kontekscie jego kariery , nawet
nie wspominam ,...

uklony

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No prosze. Taki inteligentny Kerry a tu okazuje sie, ze nie lepszy od Busha.
Teraz mam dylemat czy Bush jest madry jak Kerry czy tez Kerry jest tak glupi jak
Bush.