Klamstwa Tony Blair sprawdzone w Iraku

IP: 168.103.126.* 25.09.02, 19:27
Iraq takes journalists on tour to expose Blair 'lies'
By Kim Sengupta in Baghdad
25 September 2002
Iraq crisis

Read the full report

Fifty-three Labour MPs rebel despite Blair's assurances

Left-wingers rebel as MPs tell Blair not to bypass UN

Clergy clash with former military commanders

Designed to keep hawks and doves happy

Backbench Tories break ranks from their leader

Few revelations, but enough detail to stoke the fears

Muted reaction as UN prepares resolution

Iraq takes journalists on tour to expose Blair 'lies'

Iraq has the expertise, Saddam has the desire

Gore ends silence with outspoken attack on Bush

The Lawyer: A flawed document, and the price to preserve unity

The Inspector: Inspectors will need to test access pledges

David Aaronovitch: We've seen the evidence. Now go back to the UN

Robert Fisk: The dishonesty of this so-called dossier

The Sketch: No evidence, no rebellion: a supreme act of parliamentary
management

Al Gore: The United States has squandered the world's goodwill

Leading article: Mr Blair has failed to make the case for war
At the al-Qa'qa complex, 30 miles south of Baghdad, one of Iraq's main
centres for producing nerve agents – according to Tony Blair's "dossier" –
the director-general, Sinan Rasim Said, declared yesterday he would welcome
United Nations inspectors to expose the "lies".

Saddam Hussein's regime responded to the British report about its alleged
acquisition of a nuclear, chemical and biological arsenal with accusations
of "baseless fabrications and zionist conspiracy", and demanded that the
document should be handed over to the UN monitors for examination.

Within two hours and 10 minutes of Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction – The
Assessment of the British Government appearing on the internet, the Baghdad
authorities were taking a group of British journalists to see the sites of
alleged manufacture and storage named in the document.

One was the al-Qa'qa chemical complex, the site of the execution of British
journalist Farzad Bazoft on spying charges in March 1990, and the other the
Amariyeh Sera vaccine plant at Abu Ghraib, a suburb of the capital. We, the
journalists, chose both locations and neither had been visited before by the
media.

Al-Qa'qa, according to the British dossier, was severely damaged in the Gulf
War but has "been repaired and (is) also operational. Of particular concern
are elements of the phosgene production plant. They were dismantled under
Unscom supervision, but have since been rebuilt. While phosgene does have
industrial use, it can also be used by itself as a chemical agent or as a
precursor for nerve agent," according to the dossier.

Unscom had established that the Amariyah Sera site "was used to store
biological agents, seed stocks and conduct biological warfare associated
genetic research prior to the Gulf War. It has now expanded its storage
capacity".

At al-Qa'qa, a 26 square kilometer military establishment, Mr Said insisted
that no part of the plant had ever been dismantled by Unscom.

He said that the work was solely to produce centralit, a stabliser for
gunpowder used in a variety of legal, conventional weaponry from artillery to
small arms. Phosgene, he claimed, was generated as a result of making
centralit, and could not be extracted from the manufacturing equipment, let
alone be used for making nerve agents.

"Unscom knew all along what we are doing, it was done with their
authorisation, and they carried out regular inspections", he said sitting in
the boardroom, beside a portrait of President Hussein. Producing an Unscom
letter from "Harald Marhold, Chief Inspector CG-15", dated 13 August 1998
authorising maintenance work, he continued "they did not dismantle anything
here. Mr Blair's report is totally wrong."

"We knew the Unscom people well, one was an English guy called Steve, all the
British have to do is ask them. The UN keeps records, it would have been easy
to find out." Al-Qa'qa was also bombed by the United States and British
warplanes, during Operation Desert Storm, in 1998. "They destroyed boiler
rooms and a storage area, They did not bother to bomb the part of the plant
where there's phosgene, because they knew we can't make use of it," Mr Said
said.

Orange smoke belched from chimneys at the plant. Vapours escaped through the
pipes containing the phosgene, Mr Said pointed out, sloshing through pools of
murky water on the floor. The phosgene was being stored in cooling tanks.

"Unscom put stickers on pieces of equipment to ensure that they cannot be
used for dual use, and as you can see, we have kept them," he said. "We have
given detailed reports every year since the inspectors left in 1998. They are
available for the inspectors. We want them to come and expose these lies as
soon as possible." However, like the majority of Iraqis we have spoken to, Mr
Said did not believe war could be avoided. "I think the Americans will bomb
this place again, and use this false report as one of the excuses," he said.

Amir al Sa'adi, a senior Iraqi weapons expert, accused Mr Blair of singling
out the plant because it could produce propellant powder for weapons from
pistols to artillery guns for Iraqi air defenses.

At Amariyah Sera, the director, Karim Obeid, disputed that Unscom had found
it was used for biological warfare associated genetic research or store
biological agents. "They were coming here ever since the Gulf War until they
left, and they have never accused us of any of those things in that time," he
said. "All our work was done with their supervision." The complex, he said,
was used for "for testing typhoid fever".

These are all standard practices, the inspectors are welcome to see them,"
said Mr Obeid, who added he was morally opposed to biological warfare "both
as a scientist and a human being".

The storage capacity had indeed been increased, as the report claimed, he
said, showing us what he said were the two additional structures.

One was a large mostly empty room. The first room, said Mr Obeid was used to
store solutions for blood tests, imported from the Melat pharmaceutical
company in France. The second room was stacked with empty bottles of various
brands of vaccine.

    • Gość: independent Re: Klamstwa Tony Blair sprawdzone w Iraku IP: 168.103.126.* 25.09.02, 19:31
      Iraq takes journalists on tour to expose Blair 'lies'
      By Kim Sengupta in Baghdad
      25 September 2002
      Iraq crisis

      Read the full report

      Fifty-three Labour MPs rebel despite Blair's assurances

      Left-wingers rebel as MPs tell Blair not to bypass UN

      Clergy clash with former military commanders

      Designed to keep hawks and doves happy

      Backbench Tories break ranks from their leader

      Few revelations, but enough detail to stoke the fears

      Muted reaction as UN prepares resolution

      Iraq takes journalists on tour to expose Blair 'lies'

      Iraq has the expertise, Saddam has the desire

      Gore ends silence with outspoken attack on Bush

      The Lawyer: A flawed document, and the price to preserve unity

      The Inspector: Inspectors will need to test access pledges

      David Aaronovitch: We've seen the evidence. Now go back to the UN

      Robert Fisk: The dishonesty of this so-called dossier

      The Sketch: No evidence, no rebellion: a supreme act of parliamentary
      management

      Al Gore: The United States has squandered the world's goodwill

      Leading article: Mr Blair has failed to make the case for war
      At the al-Qa'qa complex, 30 miles south of Baghdad, one of Iraq's main centres
      for producing nerve agents – according to Tony Blair's "dossier" – the director-
      general, Sinan Rasim Said, declared yesterday he would welcome United Nations
      inspectors to expose the "lies".

      Saddam Hussein's regime responded to the British report about its alleged
      acquisition of a nuclear, chemical and biological arsenal with accusations
      of "baseless fabrications and zionist conspiracy", and demanded that the
      document should be handed over to the UN monitors for examination.

      Within two hours and 10 minutes of Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction – The
      Assessment of the British Government appearing on the internet, the Baghdad
      authorities were taking a group of British journalists to see the sites of
      alleged manufacture and storage named in the document.

      One was the al-Qa'qa chemical complex, the site of the execution of British
      journalist Farzad Bazoft on spying charges in March 1990, and the other the
      Amariyeh Sera vaccine plant at Abu Ghraib, a suburb of the capital. We, the
      journalists, chose both locations and neither had been visited before by the
      media.

      Al-Qa'qa, according to the British dossier, was severely damaged in the Gulf
      War but has "been repaired and (is) also operational. Of particular concern are
      elements of the phosgene production plant. They were dismantled under Unscom
      supervision, but have since been rebuilt. While phosgene does have industrial
      use, it can also be used by itself as a chemical agent or as a precursor for
      nerve agent," according to the dossier.

      Unscom had established that the Amariyah Sera site "was used to store
      biological agents, seed stocks and conduct biological warfare associated
      genetic research prior to the Gulf War. It has now expanded its storage
      capacity".

      At al-Qa'qa, a 26 square kilometer military establishment, Mr Said insisted
      that no part of the plant had ever been dismantled by Unscom.

      He said that the work was solely to produce centralit, a stabliser for
      gunpowder used in a variety of legal, conventional weaponry from artillery to
      small arms. Phosgene, he claimed, was generated as a result of making
      centralit, and could not be extracted from the manufacturing equipment, let
      alone be used for making nerve agents.

      "Unscom knew all along what we are doing, it was done with their authorisation,
      and they carried out regular inspections", he said sitting in the boardroom,
      beside a portrait of President Hussein. Producing an Unscom letter from "Harald
      Marhold, Chief Inspector CG-15", dated 13 August 1998 authorising maintenance
      work, he continued "they did not dismantle anything here. Mr Blair's report is
      totally wrong."

      "We knew the Unscom people well, one was an English guy called Steve, all the
      British have to do is ask them. The UN keeps records, it would have been easy
      to find out." Al-Qa'qa was also bombed by the United States and British
      warplanes, during Operation Desert Storm, in 1998. "They destroyed boiler rooms
      and a storage area, They did not bother to bomb the part of the plant where
      there's phosgene, because they knew we can't make use of it," Mr Said said.

      Orange smoke belched from chimneys at the plant. Vapours escaped through the
      pipes containing the phosgene, Mr Said pointed out, sloshing through pools of
      murky water on the floor. The phosgene was being stored in cooling tanks.

      "Unscom put stickers on pieces of equipment to ensure that they cannot be used
      for dual use, and as you can see, we have kept them," he said. "We have given
      detailed reports every year since the inspectors left in 1998. They are
      available for the inspectors. We want them to come and expose these lies as
      soon as possible." However, like the majority of Iraqis we have spoken to, Mr
      Said did not believe war could be avoided. "I think the Americans will bomb
      this place again, and use this false report as one of the excuses," he said.

      Amir al Sa'adi, a senior Iraqi weapons expert, accused Mr Blair of singling out
      the plant because it could produce propellant powder for weapons from pistols
      to artillery guns for Iraqi air defenses.

      At Amariyah Sera, the director, Karim Obeid, disputed that Unscom had found it
      was used for biological warfare associated genetic research or store biological
      agents. "They were coming here ever since the Gulf War until they left, and
      they have never accused us of any of those things in that time," he said. "All
      our work was done with their supervision." The complex, he said, was used
      for "for testing typhoid fever".

      These are all standard practices, the inspectors are welcome to see them," said
      Mr Obeid, who added he was morally opposed to biological warfare "both as a
      scientist and a human being".

      The storage capacity had indeed been increased, as the report claimed, he said,
      showing us what he said were the two additional structures.

      One was a large mostly empty room. The first room, said Mr Obeid was used to
      store solutions for blood tests, imported from the Melat pharmaceutical company
      in France. The second room was stacked with empty bottles of various brands of
      vaccine.

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    • Gość: mefet Jakie to ma znaczenie ? IP: *.bielsko.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl 25.09.02, 19:46
      W. Brytania musi zagwarantować sobie swoją część ropy z Iraku. Reszta, dowody
      itp. nic nie znaczy.
      • Gość: CNN Re: wiekszosc Brytow nie wierzy Toniemu IP: 168.103.126.* 25.09.02, 22:58
        CNN. 25 September 2002. UK Iraq poll: Low support for U.S.

        LONDON
        • Gość: mefet Jakie to ma znaczenie ? IP: *.bielsko.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl 25.09.02, 23:09
          To akurat ma. Lepiej się człowiek czuje, kiedy widać że nie wszystkich da się
          ogłupić.
          • Gość: czyzunia Re: Jakie to ma znaczenie ? IP: *.poleczki.dialup.inetia.pl 25.09.02, 23:50
            nie mozecie pisac po ludzku a nie w jakims psim jezyku.
            a kartagina...
        • Gość: Wrona Tony a elita zydowska IP: *.tpl.on.ca / 205.189.176.* 26.09.02, 00:24
          Obecny premier reprezentuje zydowskie lobby w Anglii, ktorego sam jest czlonkiem , stad jego klamstwa
          i agresja przeciw Irakowi .To pierwszy zyd na stanowisku premiera w tym kraju .
          • Gość: rypski Re: Tony a elita zydowska IP: *.nyc.rr.com 26.09.02, 03:17
            Naprawde mnie juz nie dziwi, ze to forum cierpi na brak jakosci. Potok
            paranoicznych bzdur zalewa kazdy watek. Wrona wyskrobuje bardzo uczony tekst
            "Obecny premier reprezentuje zydowskie lobby w Anglii, ktorego sam jest
            czlonkiem , stad jego klamstwa i agresja przeciw Irakowi .To pierwszy zyd na
            stanowisku premiera w tym kraju ." Dowiadujemy sie, ze Tony Blair to Zyd.
            I to jest bardzo zle. Bo Zydzi sa zli. Szczegolnie w UK i USA. Oczywiscie Wrona
            wyssal ten poglad z palca, bo jak widac nie przytacza zrodel swojej wiedzy.
            Juz niedludo, po tym jak Niemcy i Francja zmienia swoje tymczasowe politycznie
            uwarunkowane stanowisko Wrona oskarzy rowniez Schroedera i Chiraca o bycie
            Zydami. To tylko kwestia czasu.
            Wrona slyszy tylko szepty, nie widzi dalej niz czubek nosa a pamiec jego rowna
            jest pamieci zlotej rybki, czyli okolo 3 sekund. Nazwisko DISRAELI nic mu
            napewno nie mowi, podobnie jak i wielu innym niedouczonym ale wszystkowiedzacym
            forumowiczom, ktorzy przescigaja sie w wypisywaniu totalnych idotyzmow.
            No ale co zrobic? Wolnosc slowa. Demokracja ma swoja cene. Karaluchy wylaza ze
            szpar na zer.

            • Gość: fanfan tulipan Re: Tony a elita zydowska IP: *.proxy.aol.com 26.09.02, 03:21
              Gość portalu: rypski napisał(a):

              > Naprawde mnie juz nie dziwi, ze to forum cierpi na brak jakosci. Potok
              > paranoicznych bzdur zalewa kazdy watek. Wrona wyskrobuje bardzo uczony tekst
              > "Obecny premier reprezentuje zydowskie lobby w Anglii, ktorego sam jest
              > czlonkiem , stad jego klamstwa i agresja przeciw Irakowi .To pierwszy zyd na
              > stanowisku premiera w tym kraju ." Dowiadujemy sie, ze Tony Blair to Zyd.
              > I to jest bardzo zle. Bo Zydzi sa zli. Szczegolnie w UK i USA. Oczywiscie
              Wrona
              >
              > wyssal ten poglad z palca, bo jak widac nie przytacza zrodel swojej wiedzy.
              > Juz niedludo, po tym jak Niemcy i Francja zmienia swoje tymczasowe
              politycznie
              > uwarunkowane stanowisko Wrona oskarzy rowniez Schroedera i Chiraca o bycie
              > Zydami. To tylko kwestia czasu.
              > Wrona slyszy tylko szepty, nie widzi dalej niz czubek nosa a pamiec jego
              rowna
              > jest pamieci zlotej rybki, czyli okolo 3 sekund. Nazwisko DISRAELI nic mu
              > napewno nie mowi, podobnie jak i wielu innym niedouczonym ale
              wszystkowiedzacym
              >
              > forumowiczom, ktorzy przescigaja sie w wypisywaniu totalnych idotyzmow.
              > No ale co zrobic? Wolnosc slowa. Demokracja ma swoja cene. Karaluchy wylaza
              ze
              > szpar na zer.
              >
              Hi mr.Cockroach ! A w kosciach nie strzyka ? Toc to jesien juz idzie,a
              pan,panie Cock.....,od dawna na reumatyzm narzeka !!!!
              • Gość: rypski Re: Tony a elita zydowska IP: *.nyc.rr.com 26.09.02, 04:34
                Is this the best you can do? Shamefully lame I must say.
                A cock or a shaft or a dick or for that matter a pecker in English language
                do not have the same deragatory effect as in Polish language.
                You have learned about a cock so now it's time to aquint yourself with
                shmuck, shlamil and shlamazl. Get a little head, it helps lower the pressure.

                Na prawym brzegu jeszcze jesieni nie widac.
                • Gość: fanfan tulipan Re: Tony a elita zydowska IP: *.proxy.aol.com 26.09.02, 04:49
                  Gość portalu: rypski napisał(a):

                  > Is this the best you can do? Shamefully lame I must say.
                  > A cock or a shaft or a dick or for that matter a pecker in English language
                  > do not have the same deragatory effect as in Polish language.
                  > You have learned about a cock so now it's time to aquint yourself with
                  > shmuck, shlamil and shlamazl. Get a little head, it helps lower the pressure.
                  >
                  > Na prawym brzegu jeszcze jesieni nie widac.
                  Sorry mr.Schmata ! I don't understand english ! Kannst du mich am mein arsch
                  lecken ???
                • Gość: CIA agent Re: Tony a elita zydowska IP: *.152.164.52.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net 26.09.02, 05:12
                  Gość portalu: rypski napisał(a):

                  > Is this the best you can do? Shamefully lame I must say.
                  > A cock or a shaft or a dick or for that matter a pecker in English language
                  > do not have the same deragatory effect as in Polish language.
                  > You have learned about a cock so now it's time to aquint yourself with
                  > shmuck, shlamil and shlamazl. Get a little head, it helps lower the pressure.
                  >
                  > Na prawym brzegu jeszcze jesieni nie widac.
                  Slochaj gosc. Od dawna ci obserwojemy. Liczonc siem co muwisz morzesz byc
                  saved .No more any warning ! C.I.A.
                  • Gość: jojo Re: Tony a elita zydowska IP: *.proxy.aol.com 26.09.02, 05:20
                    Gość portalu: CIA agent napisał(a):

                    > Gość portalu: rypski napisał(a):
                    >
                    > > Is this the best you can do? Shamefully lame I must say.
                    > > A cock or a shaft or a dick or for that matter a pecker in English languag
                    > e
                    > > do not have the same deragatory effect as in Polish language.
                    > > You have learned about a cock so now it's time to aquint yourself with
                    > > shmuck, shlamil and shlamazl. Get a little head, it helps lower the pressu
                    > re.
                    > >
                    > > Na prawym brzegu jeszcze jesieni nie widac.
                    > Slochaj gosc. Od dawna ci obserwojemy. Liczonc siem co muwisz morzesz byc
                    > saved .No more any warning ! C.I.A.
                    No i prosze ! Namierzyli juz starego zbuka komunistycznego,ktory w NY w
                    pojemnikach na smieci sie ukrywa .Musi,on sam sie tego doigral !!!
                    • Gość: - Re: adresy do protestowania IP: 168.103.126.* 26.09.02, 17:33
                      adresy:

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                      President@whitehouse.gov
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                      Find Your Own Officials at www.congress.gov

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                      Fax: + 32 2 285 87 52
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                      Dear Mr. President , as an American I beg you do not go to war with Iraq, the
                      rest of the world can not be wrong. This is the straight way to disaster,
                      this will start the end of America and will put the whole world in chaos. Why
                      you as the US president don't think about Americans, ask us if we agree with
                      this aggression. Instead of spending billions of our dollars on Israel and
                      their interests try to solve problems in our troubled country. Oil control
                      will not reverse degradation of USA. Fighting terrorism will not prevent
                      their attack it will only postpone it. Remove the reason for them to exist.
                      It will be cheaper and most of all , more effective in the long run.
                      I watched WTC falling and I just don't want to see it again, but your recent
                      actions are producing everyday thousand of thousands potential new Attas or
                      Bin Ladens.
                      John Doe(Jan Kowalski), just an American who is not sure if this is still
                      AMERICA.
                      ==========================================================
                      Jestem tez Polakiem (no wiecie taki podwujny agent)
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