USA sponsorem Hamasu!!!!!!

Gość: Karol Re: A ten telewizor IP: *.ipt.aol.com 08.10.03, 15:19

NBC, CTV itd.
A to co napialo AP na ten temat:

AP: FBI Sent Hamas Money in Late 1990's
Mon Oct 6, 5:43 PM ET Add Top Stories - AP to My Yahoo!

By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - While President Clinton (news - web sites) was trying to broker an
elusive peace between Israelis and Palestinians, the FBI (news - web sites) was
secretly funneling money to suspected Hamas figures to see if the militant
group would use it for terrorist attacks, according to interviews and court
documents.
The counterterrorism operation in 1998 and 1999 was run out of the FBI's
Phoenix office in cooperation with Israeli intelligence and was approved by
Attorney General Janet Reno (news - web sites), FBI officials told The
Associated Press.

Several thousand dollars in U.S. money was sent to suspected terror supporters
during the operation as the FBI tried to track the flow of cash through terror
organizations, the FBI said in a rare acknowledgment of an undercover sting
that never resulted in prosecutions.

"This was done in conjunction with permission from the attorney general for an
ongoing operation, and Israeli authorities were aware of it," the bureau said.

One of the FBI's key operatives, who has had a falling out with the bureau,
provided an account of the operation at a friend's closed immigration court
proceeding. AP obtained and reviewed the court documents.

Arizona businessman Harry Ellen testified he permitted the FBI to bug his home,
car and office, allowed his Muslim foundation's activities in the Gaza Strip
(news - web sites) to be monitored by agents, arranged a peace meeting between
major Palestinian activists and gained personal access to Yasser Arafat (news -
web sites) during more than four years of cooperation with the FBI.

Ellen's FBI handler in the late 1990s was Kenneth Williams, an agent who later
became famous for writing a pre-Sept. 11 memo to FBI headquarters warning there
were Arab pilots training at U.S. flight schools. The warning went unheeded.

Ellen, a Muslim convert, testified he was taking a trip to the Gaza Strip to
bring doctors to the region in summer 1998 when Williams asked him to provide
money to a Hamas figure.

Williams wanted "the transfer of American funds to some of the terrorist groups
for violent purposes," Ellen testified to the immigration court in a closed
June 2001 session.

At the same time, Clinton and his negotiators were trying to reinvigorate
stalled Mideast peace talks, an effort that culminated in the Wye Accords in
October 1998.

Clinton's national security adviser, Sandy Berger, said in an interview that
the White House wasn't informed of the FBI activities. "We were not aware of
any such operation," Berger said.

Ellen testified the operation ended abruptly in early 1999 when he and Williams
had a series of disagreements over the operation, disputes that began when
Ellen angered the FBI by having an affair with a Chinese woman suspected of
espionage.

FBI officials said they tried to get Ellen to end the relationship and his work
was terminated for failing to follow rules.

Melvin McDonald, the former U.S. attorney in Phoenix who has championed Ellen's
cause, said the FBI's abrupt end to the investigation squandered an important
intelligence opportunity.

"Harry had been a tremendous resource to the bureau," McDonald said. "We did
not have that many people like him with connections like that to the Middle
East."

Former Senate Intelligence Committee chairman Dennis DeConcini, another Ellen
supporter, said Ellen's work could have greatly assisted the FBI.

"I know some of the wonderful cases and sheer positives the FBI has done. But
when it comes to spying and espionage they really screwed up, and I think Harry
is one of those cases," the former Arizona senator said.

The Justice Department (news - web sites) inspector general is investigating
some allegations that came to light in Ellen's case, including that FBI agents
in sensitive probes moonlighted at private companies that were using FBI assets
or investigative subjects to assist their personal interests.

Ellen, stepson of an Air Force intelligence officer, had worked for U.S.
intelligence since the 1970s as an "asset," a private citizen paid to provide
information or conduct specific tasks. His work started in Latin America and
also involved China and the Middle East.

Ellen, whose step-grandfather was Jewish, converted to Islam in the 1980s and
began helping poor Palestinians.

In 1994, he began assisting the FBI Phoenix office, which had become a hotbed
of cases involving terrorism and intelligence because of a large, active Muslim
population, the proximity to the U.S. southern border and a large concentration
of aerospace companies.

Ellen testified that by 1996 his humanitarian work, monitored by the FBI, had
won him unprecedented access to Muslim militants from groups fighting for
Palestinian independence, including Hamas.

In a rare meeting Ellen organized, he testified, the major groups created an
informal alliance to ensure safe passage to any foreigner providing
humanitarian assistance. Ellen was named a spokesman and met several times with
Arafat.

Ellen also created a foundation named al-Sadaqa to further his work by bringing
sewing machines, eyeglasses and other assistance to Palestinians.

Impressed by the extraordinary access, Williams insisted the new foundation be
funded in part by the FBI, Ellen testified.

In an interview, he said he agreed to help the FBI "not as a snitch but as a
good American."

"I agreed to cooperate with the FBI in the facilitation of the peace process
that would lead to an independent Palestinian state, stopping the half-century
of violent and oppressive occupation," Ellen said.

"During that period of time I never did anything nor would I cooperate in any
way to harm the Palestinian or Israeli people."

He testified that Williams provided him between $3,000 and $5,000 in the summer
of 1998 and instructed him to give it to a Hamas figure named Ismail Abu
Shanab, who was killed earlier this year by Israeli forces in retaliation for a
Hamas terrorist strike.

"He (Williams) said they (the dollars) would be for terrorist activities,"
Ellen testified. Abu Shanab distributed the money to Palestinian orphanages and
health care facilities, he said.

Ellen testified that Williams told him he hoped the transfer would lead to more
money exchanges through terror groups but Ellen refused to earmark money for
terrorism. He testified he later learned another FBI operative had offered
Hamas and Palestinian figures larger amounts for terrorist attacks.

The court testimony shows Ellen allowed his home, office and car in Arizona to
be bugged so the FBI could listen, without a warrant, to visiting Palestinians
or Americans if they discussed illegal activity.

The FBI said it commonly uses such recordings. "Consensual monitoring does not
require a warrant. In cases where the FBI conducts consensual monitoring, the
one party is aware he is being recorded," it said.

One of those to visit Ellen in Arizona was Palestinian Gen. Mahmoud Abu
Marzouq, an Arafat ally who oversaw Palestinian civil defense. Marzouq became
involved with Ellen's foundation and later wrote a letter praising him.

"The United States will, in my opinion, lose a valuable opportunity for
communication in the Middle East if Abu Yusef (Ellen's Muslim name) is further
restricted from his honorable efforts for the part of the widows, orphans and
handicapped and the elderly in Palestine," Marzouq wrote.

___

On the Net:

FBI: http://www.fbi.gov

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Gość: zaba A ten telewizor IP: *.mad.east.verizon.net 07.10.03, 18:29

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- Gość: Karol Re: A ten telewizor IP: *.ipt.aol.com 08.10.03, 15:19
  
  NBC, CTV itd.
  A to co napialo AP na ten temat:
  
  AP: FBI Sent Hamas Money in Late 1990's
  Mon Oct 6, 5:43 PM ET Add Top Stories - AP to My Yahoo!
  
  By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer
  
  WASHINGTON - While President Clinton (news - web sites) was trying to broker an
  elusive peace between Israelis and Palestinians, the FBI (news - web sites) was
  secretly funneling money to suspected Hamas figures to see if the militant
  group would use it for terrorist attacks, according to interviews and court
  documents.
  The counterterrorism operation in 1998 and 1999 was run out of the FBI's
  Phoenix office in cooperation with Israeli intelligence and was approved by
  Attorney General Janet Reno (news - web sites), FBI officials told The
  Associated Press.
  
  Several thousand dollars in U.S. money was sent to suspected terror supporters
  during the operation as the FBI tried to track the flow of cash through terror
  organizations, the FBI said in a rare acknowledgment of an undercover sting
  that never resulted in prosecutions.
  
  "This was done in conjunction with permission from the attorney general for an
  ongoing operation, and Israeli authorities were aware of it," the bureau said.
  
  One of the FBI's key operatives, who has had a falling out with the bureau,
  provided an account of the operation at a friend's closed immigration court
  proceeding. AP obtained and reviewed the court documents.
  
  Arizona businessman Harry Ellen testified he permitted the FBI to bug his home,
  car and office, allowed his Muslim foundation's activities in the Gaza Strip
  (news - web sites) to be monitored by agents, arranged a peace meeting between
  major Palestinian activists and gained personal access to Yasser Arafat (news -
  web sites) during more than four years of cooperation with the FBI.
  
  Ellen's FBI handler in the late 1990s was Kenneth Williams, an agent who later
  became famous for writing a pre-Sept. 11 memo to FBI headquarters warning there
  were Arab pilots training at U.S. flight schools. The warning went unheeded.
  
  Ellen, a Muslim convert, testified he was taking a trip to the Gaza Strip to
  bring doctors to the region in summer 1998 when Williams asked him to provide
  money to a Hamas figure.
  
  Williams wanted "the transfer of American funds to some of the terrorist groups
  for violent purposes," Ellen testified to the immigration court in a closed
  June 2001 session.
  
  At the same time, Clinton and his negotiators were trying to reinvigorate
  stalled Mideast peace talks, an effort that culminated in the Wye Accords in
  October 1998.
  
  Clinton's national security adviser, Sandy Berger, said in an interview that
  the White House wasn't informed of the FBI activities. "We were not aware of
  any such operation," Berger said.
  
  Ellen testified the operation ended abruptly in early 1999 when he and Williams
  had a series of disagreements over the operation, disputes that began when
  Ellen angered the FBI by having an affair with a Chinese woman suspected of
  espionage.
  
  FBI officials said they tried to get Ellen to end the relationship and his work
  was terminated for failing to follow rules.
  
  Melvin McDonald, the former U.S. attorney in Phoenix who has championed Ellen's
  cause, said the FBI's abrupt end to the investigation squandered an important
  intelligence opportunity.
  
  "Harry had been a tremendous resource to the bureau," McDonald said. "We did
  not have that many people like him with connections like that to the Middle
  East."
  
  Former Senate Intelligence Committee chairman Dennis DeConcini, another Ellen
  supporter, said Ellen's work could have greatly assisted the FBI.
  
  "I know some of the wonderful cases and sheer positives the FBI has done. But
  when it comes to spying and espionage they really screwed up, and I think Harry
  is one of those cases," the former Arizona senator said.
  
  The Justice Department (news - web sites) inspector general is investigating
  some allegations that came to light in Ellen's case, including that FBI agents
  in sensitive probes moonlighted at private companies that were using FBI assets
  or investigative subjects to assist their personal interests.
  
  Ellen, stepson of an Air Force intelligence officer, had worked for U.S.
  intelligence since the 1970s as an "asset," a private citizen paid to provide
  information or conduct specific tasks. His work started in Latin America and
  also involved China and the Middle East.
  
  Ellen, whose step-grandfather was Jewish, converted to Islam in the 1980s and
  began helping poor Palestinians.
  
  In 1994, he began assisting the FBI Phoenix office, which had become a hotbed
  of cases involving terrorism and intelligence because of a large, active Muslim
  population, the proximity to the U.S. southern border and a large concentration
  of aerospace companies.
  
  Ellen testified that by 1996 his humanitarian work, monitored by the FBI, had
  won him unprecedented access to Muslim militants from groups fighting for
  Palestinian independence, including Hamas.
  
  In a rare meeting Ellen organized, he testified, the major groups created an
  informal alliance to ensure safe passage to any foreigner providing
  humanitarian assistance. Ellen was named a spokesman and met several times with
  Arafat.
  
  Ellen also created a foundation named al-Sadaqa to further his work by bringing
  sewing machines, eyeglasses and other assistance to Palestinians.
  
  Impressed by the extraordinary access, Williams insisted the new foundation be
  funded in part by the FBI, Ellen testified.
  
  In an interview, he said he agreed to help the FBI "not as a snitch but as a
  good American."
  
  "I agreed to cooperate with the FBI in the facilitation of the peace process
  that would lead to an independent Palestinian state, stopping the half-century
  of violent and oppressive occupation," Ellen said.
  
  "During that period of time I never did anything nor would I cooperate in any
  way to harm the Palestinian or Israeli people."
  
  He testified that Williams provided him between $3,000 and $5,000 in the summer
  of 1998 and instructed him to give it to a Hamas figure named Ismail Abu
  Shanab, who was killed earlier this year by Israeli forces in retaliation for a
  Hamas terrorist strike.
  
  "He (Williams) said they (the dollars) would be for terrorist activities,"
  Ellen testified. Abu Shanab distributed the money to Palestinian orphanages and
  health care facilities, he said.
  
  Ellen testified that Williams told him he hoped the transfer would lead to more
  money exchanges through terror groups but Ellen refused to earmark money for
  terrorism. He testified he later learned another FBI operative had offered
  Hamas and Palestinian figures larger amounts for terrorist attacks.
  
  The court testimony shows Ellen allowed his home, office and car in Arizona to
  be bugged so the FBI could listen, without a warrant, to visiting Palestinians
  or Americans if they discussed illegal activity.
  
  The FBI said it commonly uses such recordings. "Consensual monitoring does not
  require a warrant. In cases where the FBI conducts consensual monitoring, the
  one party is aware he is being recorded," it said.
  
  One of those to visit Ellen in Arizona was Palestinian Gen. Mahmoud Abu
  Marzouq, an Arafat ally who oversaw Palestinian civil defense. Marzouq became
  involved with Ellen's foundation and later wrote a letter praising him.
  
  "The United States will, in my opinion, lose a valuable opportunity for
  communication in the Middle East if Abu Yusef (Ellen's Muslim name) is further
  restricted from his honorable efforts for the part of the widows, orphans and
  handicapped and the elderly in Palestine," Marzouq wrote.
  
  ___
  
  On the Net:
  
  FBI: http://www.fbi.gov
  
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Gość portalu: Karol napisał(a):

> Dzisiaj stacje telewizyjne w Ameryce Pln podaly, ze FBI sekretnie w 90-tych
> latach przekazywalo pieniadze Hamasowi.

Czy Izrael zbombarduje FBI?.
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SSharon powiedzial ze Izrael zaatakuje kazdego wroga Izraela
ktory szkodzi istnieniu jego obojetnie na jakim terenie
i obo0jetnie w jakim panstwie.Wypowiedz ta to jego odpowiedz na wysilki Syrii
w ONZ aby ta potepila ostatnie bombardowania izraelskie na jej terytorium.
USA oczywiscie syjonistyczno-religijnie zawetowala.
Teraz,pamietacie wysilki Clintona w jego pierwszej kadencji na rzecz pokoju
na BW?.Wtedy w Campie Dawidowym(tez sie po zydowsku jak widzicie
nazywa,sprawdze jakie tam godlo wisi) na froncie Arafat podal reke Rubinowi
i to byl akord koncowy mniej wiecej ustalen z Osla z roku 82.Obydwaj panowie
dostali pozniej pokojowa nagrode Nobla.I zblizamy sie powoli do sedna sprawy.
Dokladnie w tym czasie FBI wysylala fundusze(miliony dolarow dla Hezbolah
a wiadomosc te podala nie dawniej jak wczoraj MSNBC.
A wiec Arik masz wroga w USA wiec go bombarduj.
Moj komentarz:Arik prwdopodobnie zamowil to finansowanie aby miec pretekst
ze nie da sie z Arabami o pokoju rozmawiac.Byl to jego kluczowy chwyt do
pozniejszej kampani na premiera tego gowna zw.Izrael.

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